OT Antarctica gained more ice than lost

I've heard it stated that even if I live my entire lifetime totally obsessed with carbon footprints - this doesn't equal one single minute of one single factory in India.

JohnInCarolina said:

THEBuckeye said:

I'm curious what wiped out the dino's.  @nolaegghead ?

Adam and Eve rode them to work one too many times, and they all died, obviously.

Whew!  I thought it had something to do with Fred Flintstone.  Very relieved, he's a good contributor.

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

THEBuckeye said:

I'm curious what wiped out the dino's.  @nolaegghead ?

Adam and Eve rode them to work one too many times, and they all died, obviously.

Whew!  I thought it had something to do with Fred Flintstone.  Very relieved, he's a good contributor.

Are you suggesting he ate them all?

Like my deep belief in Heaven, I don't need to have someone prove that Climate Change exists. I believe it does, and therefore nothing you can say can prove me wrong

this stuff is easy when you dismiss logic and science for 'belief'. I don't have to even argue. I just know I'm right, because they are my 'beliefs'.  And people can't question my beliefs, because that's just not right, right?

so much easier this way. 

Dave,  I found a video that reminded me of you about someone arguing against the "atheist theory of evolution".  If it's not you, sorry. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIi0S0a1ubo

Davec433 said:

I'm actually looking forward to Climate change legislation. Higher utility bills and higher unemployment all of which the current admin will get a pass on like nothing happened.

Because....all the tech that's being created to be more efficient happens by magic and not jobs?  You're a brilliant guy.  Oil prices go up the more we use, btw. The less we use, the lower they are.

nolaegghead said:

Davec433 said:

I'm actually looking forward to Climate change legislation. Higher utility bills and higher unemployment all of which the current admin will get a pass on like nothing happened.

Because....all the tech that's being created to be more efficient happens by magic and not jobs?  You're a brilliant guy.  Oil prices go up the more we use, btw. The less we use, the lower they are.

The thing about jobs is that a govt job is paid for by tax dollars and private jobs are mostly not. Now, 100% of the govt job is funded by taxation and only a small amount of tax is paid. The private jobs pay a commensurate amount of tax but is funded largely by willing private economic forces. It is easy to see that when we get too many or too high of pay on the govt side we will have a serious issue. We are there now. It's not magic , it's that pesky tax payer you forget about. If you want to do these privately ok. I do think there is a need for govt funding for the research etc. The business models for these companies have to make sense or be close to doing so. I'm for alt energy sources , just not to a religious degree. 

 The other side of the equation you refer to in your second point is supply. If supply exceeds demand it goes down. That is exactly what we have experienced. Again we must consider all sides of the issue of we are trying to be accurate. 

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

There hasn't been one shred of proof other than computer models that man made global warming is occurring.  

Science doesn't deal with proof, but rather data.  As to what the data says regarding  measurements of mean global temperature.... yeah.

Data presented by an organization whose head, President Dumbo, has already politicized the issue.  Unbiased?  Probably not.

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

There hasn't been one shred of proof other than computer models that man made global warming is occurring.  

Science doesn't deal with proof, but rather data.  As to what the data says regarding  measurements of mean global temperature.... yeah.

Data presented by an organization whose head, President Dumbo, has already politicized the issue.  Unbiased?  Probably not.

Fred, the head of NOAA is Kathryn Sullivan.  She holds the distinction of being the first woman to walk in space.  She was confirmed by the Senate to the position in a unanimous vote.

Do you have anything intelligent to add here, or are you just going to keep pulling stuff out of your ass?

@johnkitchens We were/are, that's a fact.  However, the CO2 levels have gotten so high and the subsequent warming has been creating a detectable reversal of that effect.  I'm pretty sure this is even in Al's presentation.

DoubleEgger said:

Wednesday is the new Friday...

But work sux more when I'm that hungover. 

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

Davec433 said:

I'm actually looking forward to Climate change legislation. Higher utility bills and higher unemployment all of which the current admin will get a pass on like nothing happened.

Because....all the tech that's being created to be more efficient happens by magic and not jobs?  You're a brilliant guy.  Oil prices go up the more we use, btw. The less we use, the lower they are.

The thing about jobs is that a govt job is paid for by tax dollars and private jobs are mostly not. Now, 100% of the govt job is funded by taxation and only a small amount of tax is paid. The private jobs pay a commensurate amount of tax but is funded largely by willing private economic forces. It is easy to see that when we get too many or too high of pay on the govt side we will have a serious issue. We are there now. It's not magic , it's that pesky tax payer you forget about. If you want to do these privately ok. I do think there is a need for govt funding for the research etc. The business models for these companies have to make sense or be close to doing so. I'm for alt energy sources , just not to a religious degree. 

 The other side of the equation you refer to in your second point is supply. If supply exceeds demand it goes down. That is exactly what we have experienced. Again we must consider all sides of the issue of we are trying to be accurate. 

I never mentioned government jobs, it's off-topic. Manufacturing jobs and tech jobs, which are almost 100% private sector, are created with driving efficiency requirements.

To the supply and demand issue, all things equal, having more efficient infrastructure, vehicles, appliances, houses, etc, lowers demand.  Now OPEC could cut supply and drive the prices up, but they want to burn the Russians and retard the ability of alternate oil (such as the shale fields, fracking, etc.) and alternate energy which relies on a higher oil price or subsidies to develop.

Those jobs would exist no matter what. Private companies always strive to be more efficient, if it makes sense. I am talking about govt subsidized jobs, so called "created" through cronie capitalism i.e. Windmills and solar companies. 

Just the the threat of drilling in Alaska would easily retard those actions. I am for efficiency as long as it remains reasonable. No issue here.  Also this is why we need to lead in the Mid East to have influence. 

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott I presume you haven't heard about Royal Dutch Shell drilling in Alaska.  They deemed it not economically feasible at this time and, after drilling some test wells, abandoned working their leases. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/08/17/shell-arctic-alaska/31890239/

On the jobs, no, you're wrong.  I agree with you about all crony capitalism, however.  That's been going on with other energy companies for ages, yes, even those that drill for oil.  So I'm glad you're against those too.

Right, prices are low. Good idea though. It's there and ready if things change. Perfect for all concerned. 

johnkitchens said:

EGGjlmh said:

In the 70's I remember hearing we were about to enter another ice age.

I got in trouble in the 7th grade, in the early 80's, when our science teacher was telling our class about an article he had read that described the new ice age. 

We were in middle Georgia, and he was describing heavy snowfall in June and July and freezing temps year around. My classmates were freaking out and on the verge of tears. 

I finally spoke up and told them they were crazy to believe that crap. My teacher was furious with me and took it personal. I didn't care. I knew it was crap. 

So the super smart scientists across the country were wrong in the 70's?  But now the super duper smart scientists are right?

Pretty funny stuff.