Can anyone here make since of this..

billt01 · October 4

Since January 2022, mostly Western nations have pledged more than $380 billion in aid to Ukraine, including nearly $118 billion in direct military aid to Ukraine from individual countries.

Feds say there’s no money left to respond to hurricanes — after FEMA spent $1.4B on migrants

Buckwoody Egger · October 4

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response-accusations-money-spent-migrants-1963702

most likely it’s an example of concocted bits of bait to create outrage and win favor.

advice to anyone: if a politician gets you emotional, they’ve got you right where they want you. stay in control, spit out the bait. then decide to ignore or research based on how much time/effort/benefit it offers compared to handling the priorities closer to you like faith family health job etc.

this is not a personal endorsement from me of any spending in any category.

probably better posted in off topic.

billt01 · October 4

Buckwoody Egger said:

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-response-accusations-money-spent-migrants-1963702

most likely it’s an example of concocted bits of bait to create outrage and win favor.

advice to anyone: if a politician gets you emotional, they’ve got you right where they want you. stay in control, spit out the bait. then decide to ignore or research based on how much time/effort/benefit it offers compared to handling the priorities closer to you like faith family health job etc.

this is not a personal endorsement from me of any spending in any category.

probably better posted in off topic.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/

alaskanassasin · October 4

Gulfcoastguy · October 4

Don’t forget the funds that the Federal Highway Administration is going to need.

Ozzie_Isaac · October 4

Not arguing or supporting the complete lack of support to the USA.

I will say the military aid to Ukraine wasn’t in direct dollars. It was in already built and stockpiled weapons and equipment. Transfering that to NC, Tennessee, Florida, etc wouldn’t really help them unless they sold it on eBay to pay bills. Also, that equipment is being used for its intended purpose, destroying Russian hardware. Even better, it isn’t American servicemen being put in harms way while Russian equipment is being destroyed and Russian soldiers being killed.

I think the bigger travesty is the apparent lack of a coordinated rescue effort and the hassling being done of US citizens who are trying to help.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4913942-pilot-helene-north-carolina-rescue-missions-arrest-threat/

billt01 · October 4

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Not arguing or supporting the complete lack of support to the USA.

I will say the military aid to Ukraine wasn’t in direct dollars. It was in already built and stockpiled weapons and equipment. Transferring that to NC, Tennessee, Florida, etc wouldn’t really help them unless they sold it on eBay to pay bills. Also, that equipment is being used for its intended purpose, destroying Russian hardware. Even better, it isn’t American servicemen being put in harms way while Russian equipment is being destroyed and Russian soldiers being killed.

I think the bigger travesty is the apparent lack of a coordinated rescue effort and the hassling being done of US citizens who are trying to help.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4913942-pilot-helene-north-carolina-rescue-missions-arrest-threat/

Absolutely agree, This was more steered where monies are directed and not usage..

you would think a country with hundreds of billions of dollars to re-appropriate, our leadership could have a "squirrel fund" for us when $#!T goes a bit sideways inhouse..

and yes..for the citizens handling this as a "all hands, all call"...kudos...

JohnInCarolina · October 4

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Not arguing or supporting the complete lack of support to the USA.

I will say the military aid to Ukraine wasn’t in direct dollars. It was in already built and stockpiled weapons and equipment. Transfering that to NC, Tennessee, Florida, etc wouldn’t really help them unless they sold it on eBay to pay bills. Also, that equipment is being used for its intended purpose, destroying Russian hardware. Even better, it isn’t American servicemen being put in harms way while Russian equipment is being destroyed and Russian soldiers being killed.

I think the bigger travesty is the apparent lack of a coordinated rescue effort and the hassling being done of US citizens who are trying to help.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4913942-pilot-helene-north-carolina-rescue-missions-arrest-threat/

I would take these kind of anecdotes as perhaps lacking the bigger context. The scale of this is unlike anything we've seen in quite some time. It is not a simple matter to coordinate rescue efforts given the scale and nature of the disaster.

There is also a ton of misinformation around the response to this disaster in NC. Here's a post from a state Senator:

For the record, he is a Republican.

JohnInCarolina · October 4

As for the OP, it is really incredible the extent to which Ukraine and migrants have become convenient scapegoats for anything and everything that befalls the US. It is floated out there by politicians with ulterior motives, and folks buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Happy Friday I suppose.

billt01 · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

As for the OP, it is really incredible the extent to which Ukraine and migrants have become convenient scapegoats for anything and everything that befalls the US. It is floated out there by politicians with ulterior motives, and folks buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Happy Friday I suppose.

Its not about Ukraine or migrants....its about money and where it goes...

happy Friday..

JohnInCarolina · October 4

billt01 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

As for the OP, it is really incredible the extent to which Ukraine and migrants have become convenient scapegoats for anything and everything that befalls the US. It is floated out there by politicians with ulterior motives, and folks buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Happy Friday I suppose.

Its not about Ukraine or migrants....its about money and where it goes...

happy Friday..

Yeah who knows where I possibly got the idea this was about Ukraine or migrants...

DoubleEgger · October 4

I thought “ya’ll” wanted to disband FEMA and now it’s a post complaining about the lack of FEMA funds.

Another day in the life of the perpetually butthurt crowd.

billt01 · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

billt01 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

As for the OP, it is really incredible the extent to which Ukraine and migrants have become convenient scapegoats for anything and everything that befalls the US. It is floated out there by politicians with ulterior motives, and folks buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Happy Friday I suppose.

Its not about Ukraine or migrants....its about money and where it goes...

happy Friday..

Yeah who knows where I possibly got the idea this was about Ukraine or migrants...

because like most things..you will take the context you want to deliver it in such a way to make you seem correct...

Its about the money and where it goes...not the usage of the funds...

JohnInCarolina · October 4

DoubleEgger said:

I thought “ya’ll” wanted to disband FEMA and now it’s a post complaining about the lack of FEMA funds.

Another day in the life of the perpetually butthurt crowd.

Yes, somehow the fairly recent votes cast by GOP members in the House have not been mentioned.

DoubleEgger · October 4

Regarding Ukraine aid, the US aid money goes to domestic companies that are producing products for the war. The aid helps Americans AND Ukrainians.

It seems like too many people think we are simply stroking checks to Ukraine.

billt01 · October 4

DoubleEgger said:

Regarding Ukraine aid, the US aid money goes to domestic companies that are producing products for the war. The aid helps Americans AND Ukrainians.

It seems like too many people think we are simply stroking checks to Ukraine.

Which domestic companies...

billt01 · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

DoubleEgger said:

I thought “ya’ll” wanted to disband FEMA and now it’s a post complaining about the lack of FEMA funds.

Another day in the life of the perpetually butthurt crowd.

Yes, somehow the fairly recent votes cast by GOP members in the House have not been mentioned.

fairly certain a rework of FEMA would be what was being inferred.

JohnInCarolina · October 4

I'm going to start putting all of my questions in bold to really make my points clear.

billt01 · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

I'm going to start putting all of my questions in bold to really make my points clear.

Sounds GOOD

DoubleEgger · October 4

billt01 said:

DoubleEgger said:

Regarding Ukraine aid, the US aid money goes to domestic companies that are producing products for the war. The aid helps Americans AND Ukrainians.

It seems like too many people think we are simply stroking checks to Ukraine.

Which domestic companies...

I’m not spoon feeding this to you Gerber Baby.

billt01 · October 4

DoubleEgger said:

billt01 said:

DoubleEgger said:

Regarding Ukraine aid, the US aid money goes to domestic companies that are producing products for the war. The aid helps Americans AND Ukrainians.

It seems like too many people think we are simply stroking checks to Ukraine.

Which domestic companies...

I’m not spoon feeding this to you Gerber Baby.

Does that comment work at the conference room table too?

dbCooper · October 4

@billt01 - The executive branch can only spend monies that have been allocated by congress. Congress is assisted in their allocations by lobbyists, victims of natural disasters typically do not have dedicated lobbyists. Does that make sense (since) to you?

billt01 · October 4

dbCooper said:

@billt01 - The executive branch can only spend monies that have been allocated by congress. Congress is assisted in their allocations by lobbyists, victims of natural disasters typically do not have dedicated lobbyists. Does that make sense (since) to you?

No it doesn't make sense/since..

"Yes, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is part of the executive branch of the United States government."

"To date, over 40,000 people have applied for disaster assistance and FEMA has paid out more than $6.2 million in Individual Assistance directly to survivors. "

Gulfcoastguy · October 4

If divided equally that’s $155 per applicant. Not per person since most of these people have families.

JohnInCarolina · October 4

It generally takes a bit of time before FEMA can hand out checks. It's been a week.

Botch · October 4

billt01 said:
Its about the money and where it goes...not the usage of the funds...

wat?

billt01 · October 4

Botch said:

billt01 said:
Its about the money and where it goes...not the usage of the funds...

wat?

Its about money..

billt01 · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

It generally takes a bit of time before FEMA can hand out checks. It's been a week.

no one is handing out a check and an ACH takes a day...

JohnInCarolina · October 4

billt01 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

It generally takes a bit of time before FEMA can hand out checks. It's been a week.

no one is handing out a check and a ACH takes a day...

I see that the resident disaster-assistance financial expert has arrived.

They are currently going door to door to provide immediate relief funds to people whose homes were impacted by the flood, especially since internet access is still down in many places.

JohnInCarolina · October 4

I posted this in the OT forum but it seems to fit this thread better, for some reason:

DoubleEgger · October 4

JohnInCarolina said:

I posted this in the OT forum but it seems to fit this thread better, for some reason:

Who is “they”?

Can anyone here make since of this..

Feds say there’s no money left to respond to hurricanes — after FEMA spent $1.4B on migrants

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