Anyone impacted by the train derailment?

DuckDogDr

Anyone here in Ohio, Pennsylvania and northern Kentucky area impacted by this derailment?
Hearing two different stories.

How bad is it up there

Kayak

Lot's of testing of air and water going on, by the federal and state agencies. Lot's of people are scared of what's possible, too. I wouldn't want to be downwind.

alaskanassasin

What u hearing? 

alaskanassasin

This is the last thing I read.

EAST PALESTINE, Ohio (AP) — A reporter was pushed to the ground, handcuffed and arrested for trespassing while covering a news conference about the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals in Ohio.

NewsNation posted video of correspondent Evan Lambert being arrested Wednesday in the gymnasium of an elementary school in East Palestine where Gov. Mike DeWine was giving an update about the accident.

Lambert was held for about five hours before being released from jail, NewsNation reported.

“I’m doing fine right now. It’s been an extremely long day,” Lambert said after his release. “No journalist expects to be arrested when you’re doing your job, and I think that’s really important that that doesn’t happen in our country.”

At the end of his news conference, DeWine said he didn’t authorize the arrest and reporters have “every right” to report during briefings.

“If someone was stopped from doing that, or told they could not do that, that was wrong,” DeWine said.

A following statement from the governor’s office said DeWine didn’t see the incident because a bank of cameras blocked his view but he did hear a “disagreement toward the back of the gymnasium.”

DeWine “has always respected the media’s right to report live before, during, and after his press briefings” the statement said.

Mike Viqueira, NewsNation’s Washington Bureau chief, called the arrest an infuriating violation of the First Amendment.

The Washington, D.C.-based Lambert could still face charges of disorderly conduct and criminal trespassing, NewsNation said.

The Columbiana County Sheriff’s Office administration said the arrest was made by officers from the East Palestine Police Department. A message seeking comment from the department was not immediately returned.

About 50 train cars, including 10 carrying hazardous materials, derailed in a fiery crash Friday night on the edge of East Palestine. Federal investigators say a mechanical issue with a rail car axle caused the derailment.

Nearby residents in Ohio and neighboring Pennsylvania were ordered to evacuate when authorities decided on Monday to release and burn chemicals from five tankers filled with vinyl chloride, sending hydrogen chloride and the toxic gas phosgene into the air.

At the news conference, authorities said sampling had shown air quality in the area was safe and residents could return home, although DeWine said some residents may want to wait until the air inside their homes is checked.

The news conference started more than two hours late and DeWine started speaking at the same instant Lambert had to do a live broadcast from the back of the gym, Preston Swigart, a photographer who was with Lambert, told NewsNation.

Swigart said police officers approached Lambert and asked him to stop talking. Lambert finished the live report but was then asked to leave by authorities, who tried to forcibly remove him from the event, NewsNation reported.

“From their standpoint, he didn’t obey orders,” Swigart said. “Gymnasiums are echoey and loud and sound kind of carries, so I’m guessing that they just didn’t like the fact that there was sound competing with the governor speaking, even though it was all the way at the other end of the room.”

The anchor handling the report said she heard the reporter saying, “The governor has just started speaking. I’m being told that I have to quit my report” before it was cut short.

Video captured by NewsNation affiliate WKBN-TV showed Lambert on his face on the ground being handcuffed. He was then taken outside and placed in the back of a sheriff’s patrol car.

alaskanassasin

Nearby residents in Ohio and neighboring Pennsylvania were ordered to evacuate when authorities decided on Monday to release and burn chemicals from five tankers filled with vinyl chloride, sending hydrogen chloride and the toxic gas phosgene into the air.

At the news conference, authorities said sampling had shown air quality in the area was safe and residents could return home, although DeWine said some residents may want to wait until the air inside their homes is checked.

Nothing to see here folks.

JohnInCarolina

Doesn’t sound good.

Kayak

Here's an article that only makes passing mention of the reporter.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/ohio-train-derailment.html

And another.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2023/02/14/east-palestine-train-derailment-ohio-dewine-hazardous-material-epa-norfolk-southern-buttigieg/stories/202302140094

fishlessman

Doesnt sound good good, looks extremely bad

DuckDogDr

Rumors I’m hearing are there’s a bunch of dead livestock in the area….yet it’s safe for people 

RRP

Also rumors here are that the railroad is throwing million$ of buck$  to those affected trying to buy their support (in other words buying them off by signing releases) knowing damn good and well the lawsuits to follow will be measured in history in the Mega-Million$

RRP

RRP said:

Also rumors here are that the railroad is throwing million$ of buck$  to those affected trying to buy their support (in other words buying them off by signing releases) knowing damn good and well the lawsuits to follow will be measured in history in the Mega-Million$

Peoria, IL is a known snake pit of some haw firms who thrive on cases such as this. Like an old timer once told me…”it ain’t pretty when these “kazillionaire”  lawyers jump into the scene…not pretty AT ALL,”

DuckDogDr

Anyone know if Williamstown Kentucky is affected 

Ozzie_Isaac

We currently just lifted a 5 mile shelter in place order and the evacuation order for homes and businesses within a mile or so is indefinite at this time.  Local school districts are closed tomorrow and expect delays to continue into Thursday.

This truck was carrying liquid nitric acid.

nolaegghead

I recognize that reddish yellow smoke from pouring concentrated acids in the lab. 

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

I recognize that reddish yellow smoke from pouring concentrated acids in the lab. 

Apparently nitric acid is not an ideal liquid to spill on an interstate near a population center.

alaskanassasin

Hats off the the first responders, if I saw that I be like nope.

alaskanassasin

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/news/local/ohio/dewine-update-on-east-palestine-train-derailment/530-af6b2366-6301-4667-be42-f4d34b743297

This mentiones livestock @DuckDogDr

FrostyEgg

Balloons, UFO's, and now chemical spills. What's next?

Ozzie_Isaac

alaskanassasin said:

Hats off the the first responders, if I saw that I be like nope.

Especially with all the Hazmat Warnings that started going out:

Hook_emHornsfan_74

This can’t be good. 

nolaegghead

I remember vinyl chloride was a MFer to test for.  It’s so reactive you get very low spike recoveries.  It can react with injection port liners so chromatographic peak shape typically has lots of tailing making it challenging to integrate properly.  In other words, contamination levels may be biased low.  Also anything that reactive doesn’t hang around long.  I would not want to live around that derailment.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

I remember vinyl chloride was a MFer to test for.  It’s so reactive you get very low spike recoveries.  It can react with injection port liners so chromatographic peak shape typically has lots of tailing making it challenging to integrate properly.  In other words, contamination levels may be biased low.  Also anything that reactive doesn’t hang around long.  I would not want to live around that derailment.

*ChatGPT has entered the conversation*

nolaegghead

No, that’s all me off the cuff

nolaegghead

just now a coworker tells me vinyl chloride analysis is much better than it was when I was running and maintaining gas chromatographs.  When I started, people packed columns by hand.  Capillary tube columns revolutionized the analysis, but it still sucked.  So I guess the rest of the test improved with technology.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

just now a coworker tells me vinyl chloride analysis is much better than it was when I was running and maintaining gas chromatographs.  When I started, people packed columns by hand.  Capillary tube columns revolutionized the analysis, but it still sucked.  So I guess the rest of the test improved with technology.

Lol, I see what you did there.

As to the actual content, I suspect detectors have advanced exponentially over the course of 30 years.

nolaegghead

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

just now a coworker tells me vinyl chloride analysis is much better than it was when I was running and maintaining gas chromatographs.  When I started, people packed columns by hand.  Capillary tube columns revolutionized the analysis, but it still sucked.  So I guess the rest of the test improved with technology.

Lol, I see what you did there.

As to the actual content, I suspect detectors have advanced exponentially over the course of 30 years.

Wait, wut did I do?  Yes, they are better now across the board but especially mass selective detectors (when you hear of tests via MS or Mass Spectrometry (usually coupled to a GC gas chromatograph or liquid chromatograph).  These detectors are amazing.  There really aren’t many new technologies used however, I can’t wait until the tricorder is invented.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

just now a coworker tells me vinyl chloride analysis is much better than it was when I was running and maintaining gas chromatographs.  When I started, people packed columns by hand.  Capillary tube columns revolutionized the analysis, but it still sucked.  So I guess the rest of the test improved with technology.

Lol, I see what you did there.

As to the actual content, I suspect detectors have advanced exponentially over the course of 30 years.

Wait, wut did I do?  Yes, they are better now across the board but especially mass selective detectors (when you hear of tests via MS or Mass Spectrometry (usually coupled to a GC gas chromatograph or liquid chromatograph).  These detectors are amazing.  There really aren’t many new technologies used however, I can’t wait until the tricorder is invented.

"Capillary tubes ..... still sucked"

Are detectors at least shrinking and getting less expensive/more accurate?

HeavyG

Perhaps useful for anyone in the town..

https://www.thebrockovichreport.com/p/worried-about-toxins-in-east-palestine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=174327&post_id=103095183&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

Legume

nolaegghead said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

just now a coworker tells me vinyl chloride analysis is much better than it was when I was running and maintaining gas chromatographs.  When I started, people packed columns by hand.  Capillary tube columns revolutionized the analysis, but it still sucked.  So I guess the rest of the test improved with technology.

Lol, I see what you did there.

As to the actual content, I suspect detectors have advanced exponentially over the course of 30 years.

Wait, wut did I do?  Yes, they are better now across the board but especially mass selective detectors (when you hear of tests via MS or Mass Spectrometry (usually coupled to a GC gas chromatograph or liquid chromatograph).  These detectors are amazing.  There really aren’t many new technologies used however, I can’t wait until the tricorder is invented.

I knew you worked at a lowly lab bench!

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnfromKentucky

DuckDogDr said:

Anyone know if Williamstown Kentucky is affected 

It is not affected at this time.