Anyone impacted by the train derailment?

JohnfromKentucky

@nolaegghead
I worked in a lab that had MS. We were a urine screen lab. Here's a truck delivering a mass spec, they dropped it right there in the parking lot.

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnfromKentucky said:

@nolaegghead
I worked in a lab that had MS. We were a urine screen lab. Here's a truck delivering a mass spec, they dropped it right there in the parking lot.

Haha, not sure why, but that makes me chuckle.  Here is your precision equipment, in the parking lot.  Have a good day.

Ozzie_Isaac

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/113nnpp/the_state_of_ohio_railway_tracks/

JohnInCarolina

What could possibly go wrong?

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1626607724837367808?s=20

nolaegghead

Everyone knows all government regulations are bad for business....

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

Everyone knows all government regulations are bad for business....

It is a balance.  If you kill everyone, who will you have to fleece?

alaskanassasin

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

nolaegghead

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

Everyone knows all government regulations are bad for business....

It is a balance.  If you kill everyone, who will you have to fleece?

That's a good logical point, however, that's never stopped anyone.

kl8ton

alaskanassasin said:

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

I told my kids that it derailed because a boy put a penny on the track.

kl8ton

alaskanassasin said:

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

I told my kids that it derailed because a boy put a penny on the track.

JohnInCarolina

kl8ton said:

alaskanassasin said:

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

I told my kids that it derailed because a boy put a penny on the track.

You monster!

Canugghead

kl8ton said:

alaskanassasin said:

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

I told my kids that it derailed because a boy put a penny on the track.

Growing up, we used to put nails on street car tracks to turn them into mini knives.

JohnInCarolina

Canugghead said:

kl8ton said:

alaskanassasin said:

It sounded like it was an axle that caused the derailment, it had been broken for 20 miles or so. 

I told my kids that it derailed because a boy put a penny on the track.

Growing up, we used to put nails on street car tracks to turn them into mini knives.

Did you grow up in a prison?

lousubcap

Here is how you use a train to self-destruct itself-Japan WW II:

Worth the read-

And yes, this did happen and the sailors were the first US troops to set foot on the Japanese main islands in WW-II:

"Lt. Cmdr. Eugene “Gene” Fluckey had four war patrols under his belt, a Medal of Honor, and three Navy Cross medals. The submarine commander wreaked havoc in the Pacific, destroying scores of Japanese naval convoys using the popular German Navy “wolfpack” tactic. He expected the very best from his crew, reminding them of his motto: “We don’t have problems, just solutions.”

As the commander of the Gato-class USS Barb, “Lucky Fluckey” innovated submarine warfare. His sub patrolled the ocean while surface-cruising, only submerging to escape from danger. He targeted Japanese cruisers at night and even used his sub as a battering ram to sink an enemy ship after he ran out of torpedoes. He made history as the only American submarine skipper to fire rocket missiles on coastal Japanese batteries and factories — and that’s not even his most notorious action.

While patrolling the Japanese coast, he witnessed from his periscope Japanese trains bringing supplies, weapons, and war materials to Karafuto, an island located in the north. Chief of the Boat Paul Golden “Swish” Saunders, a veteran of all 12 of the USS Barb’s war patrols, sprawled a topographic map across a table showing Japanese rail lines. They devised a plan to destroy it.

Engineman Third Class Billy Hatfield suggested jerry-rigging demolition charges between the ties on the railroad with a micro-switch. As a boy, he used the technique to crack open nut shells as the train passed over them — only this time the train connected the killswitch to detonate the explosives.

Fluckey called for volunteers, and every sailor on board raised his hand. Only eight met his requirements for the mission, including Saunders and Hatfield, who was assigned to lead the commandos ashore. The volunteers had to be unmarried, have a mix of experience, and at least half had to be Boy Scouts because, as Fluckey reasoned as a former Scout himself, Boy Scouts always know what to do in case of an emergency.

On July 23, 1945, Fluckey parked his submarine 950 yards offshore of the southern half of Sakhalin Island. Just after midnight, the saboteurs prepared their gear to set out for the Japanese mainland in their rubber boats.

“Boys, if you get stuck, head for Siberia, 130 miles north,” Fluckey said, as told to the New York Times. “Following the mountain ranges. Good luck.

The eight commandos were among the first Americans into Japan, and the footprints and paw prints that indicated a patrol area piqued their concern. Two men guarded the boats to ensure a quick exfiltration once the task was complete. The other six snuck through the brush, tripped over a drainage ditch, and crossed a highway. They quietly slipped past a Japanese sentry tower where the lookout was fast asleep. As they were fixing the explosives to the tracks, Hatfield felt the metal rattle and vibrate, indicating an oncoming train. The commandos dove into some nearby brush for concealment and waited for the train to disappear into the distance. Failure of the mission wasn’t an option for this crew.

Hatfield emerged from his hiding spot and crouched over the explosives once more. He cinched them down between the railroad ties before giving the signal to leave. They returned the way they came and paddled through the surf to reach the surfaced submarine just as a roaring sound of the train’s horn came into earshot. Moments later, the railroad tracks ceased to exist, the explosion hurled the train carriages 200 feet into the air, and a massive fireball could be seen from the submarine’s periscope.

The submarine and the commandos vanished beneath the waves. The USS Barb became the first and only submarine to “sink” a freight train, and Fluckey earned his fourth and final Navy Cross. Fluckey later wrote in his memoir, “No one who ever served under my command was awarded the Purple Heart for being wounded or killed, and all of us brought our Barb back safe and sound."

Talk about ice water and cojones. 

There you have it!

GregW

lousubcap said:

Here is how you use a train to self-destruct itself-Japan WW II:

Worth the read-

And yes, this did happen and the sailors were the first US troops to set foot on the Japanese main islands in WW-II:

"Lt. Cmdr. Eugene “Gene” Fluckey had four war patrols under his belt, a Medal of Honor, and three Navy Cross medals. The submarine commander wreaked havoc in the Pacific, destroying scores of Japanese naval convoys using the popular German Navy “wolfpack” tactic. He expected the very best from his crew, reminding them of his motto: “We don’t have problems, just solutions.”

As the commander of the Gato-class USS Barb, “Lucky Fluckey” innovated submarine warfare. His sub patrolled the ocean while surface-cruising, only submerging to escape from danger. He targeted Japanese cruisers at night and even used his sub as a battering ram to sink an enemy ship after he ran out of torpedoes. He made history as the only American submarine skipper to fire rocket missiles on coastal Japanese batteries and factories — and that’s not even his most notorious action.

While patrolling the Japanese coast, he witnessed from his periscope Japanese trains bringing supplies, weapons, and war materials to Karafuto, an island located in the north. Chief of the Boat Paul Golden “Swish” Saunders, a veteran of all 12 of the USS Barb’s war patrols, sprawled a topographic map across a table showing Japanese rail lines. They devised a plan to destroy it.

Engineman Third Class Billy Hatfield suggested jerry-rigging demolition charges between the ties on the railroad with a micro-switch. As a boy, he used the technique to crack open nut shells as the train passed over them — only this time the train connected the killswitch to detonate the explosives.

Fluckey called for volunteers, and every sailor on board raised his hand. Only eight met his requirements for the mission, including Saunders and Hatfield, who was assigned to lead the commandos ashore. The volunteers had to be unmarried, have a mix of experience, and at least half had to be Boy Scouts because, as Fluckey reasoned as a former Scout himself, Boy Scouts always know what to do in case of an emergency.

On July 23, 1945, Fluckey parked his submarine 950 yards offshore of the southern half of Sakhalin Island. Just after midnight, the saboteurs prepared their gear to set out for the Japanese mainland in their rubber boats.

“Boys, if you get stuck, head for Siberia, 130 miles north,” Fluckey said, as told to the New York Times. “Following the mountain ranges. Good luck.

The eight commandos were among the first Americans into Japan, and the footprints and paw prints that indicated a patrol area piqued their concern. Two men guarded the boats to ensure a quick exfiltration once the task was complete. The other six snuck through the brush, tripped over a drainage ditch, and crossed a highway. They quietly slipped past a Japanese sentry tower where the lookout was fast asleep. As they were fixing the explosives to the tracks, Hatfield felt the metal rattle and vibrate, indicating an oncoming train. The commandos dove into some nearby brush for concealment and waited for the train to disappear into the distance. Failure of the mission wasn’t an option for this crew.

Hatfield emerged from his hiding spot and crouched over the explosives once more. He cinched them down between the railroad ties before giving the signal to leave. They returned the way they came and paddled through the surf to reach the surfaced submarine just as a roaring sound of the train’s horn came into earshot. Moments later, the railroad tracks ceased to exist, the explosion hurled the train carriages 200 feet into the air, and a massive fireball could be seen from the submarine’s periscope.

The submarine and the commandos vanished beneath the waves. The USS Barb became the first and only submarine to “sink” a freight train, and Fluckey earned his fourth and final Navy Cross. Fluckey later wrote in his memoir, “No one who ever served under my command was awarded the Purple Heart for being wounded or killed, and all of us brought our Barb back safe and sound."

Talk about ice water and cojones. 

There you have it!

My uncle- Don Keith has authored a number of books about submarines.
He has one about Commander Fluckey.
https://www.amazon.com/Torpedo-Run-Submarine-Fluckey-American-ebook/dp/B09RQJT7BR

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

Here is how you use a train to self-destruct itself-Japan WW II:

Worth the read-

And yes, this did happen and the sailors were the first US troops to set foot on the Japanese main islands in WW-II:

"Lt. Cmdr. Eugene “Gene” Fluckey had four war patrols under his belt, a Medal of Honor, and three Navy Cross medals. The submarine commander wreaked havoc in the Pacific, destroying scores of Japanese naval convoys using the popular German Navy “wolfpack” tactic. He expected the very best from his crew, reminding them of his motto: “We don’t have problems, just solutions.”

As the commander of the Gato-class USS Barb, “Lucky Fluckey” innovated submarine warfare. His sub patrolled the ocean while surface-cruising, only submerging to escape from danger. He targeted Japanese cruisers at night and even used his sub as a battering ram to sink an enemy ship after he ran out of torpedoes. He made history as the only American submarine skipper to fire rocket missiles on coastal Japanese batteries and factories — and that’s not even his most notorious action.

While patrolling the Japanese coast, he witnessed from his periscope Japanese trains bringing supplies, weapons, and war materials to Karafuto, an island located in the north. Chief of the Boat Paul Golden “Swish” Saunders, a veteran of all 12 of the USS Barb’s war patrols, sprawled a topographic map across a table showing Japanese rail lines. They devised a plan to destroy it.

Engineman Third Class Billy Hatfield suggested jerry-rigging demolition charges between the ties on the railroad with a micro-switch. As a boy, he used the technique to crack open nut shells as the train passed over them — only this time the train connected the killswitch to detonate the explosives.

Fluckey called for volunteers, and every sailor on board raised his hand. Only eight met his requirements for the mission, including Saunders and Hatfield, who was assigned to lead the commandos ashore. The volunteers had to be unmarried, have a mix of experience, and at least half had to be Boy Scouts because, as Fluckey reasoned as a former Scout himself, Boy Scouts always know what to do in case of an emergency.

On July 23, 1945, Fluckey parked his submarine 950 yards offshore of the southern half of Sakhalin Island. Just after midnight, the saboteurs prepared their gear to set out for the Japanese mainland in their rubber boats.

“Boys, if you get stuck, head for Siberia, 130 miles north,” Fluckey said, as told to the New York Times. “Following the mountain ranges. Good luck.

The eight commandos were among the first Americans into Japan, and the footprints and paw prints that indicated a patrol area piqued their concern. Two men guarded the boats to ensure a quick exfiltration once the task was complete. The other six snuck through the brush, tripped over a drainage ditch, and crossed a highway. They quietly slipped past a Japanese sentry tower where the lookout was fast asleep. As they were fixing the explosives to the tracks, Hatfield felt the metal rattle and vibrate, indicating an oncoming train. The commandos dove into some nearby brush for concealment and waited for the train to disappear into the distance. Failure of the mission wasn’t an option for this crew.

Hatfield emerged from his hiding spot and crouched over the explosives once more. He cinched them down between the railroad ties before giving the signal to leave. They returned the way they came and paddled through the surf to reach the surfaced submarine just as a roaring sound of the train’s horn came into earshot. Moments later, the railroad tracks ceased to exist, the explosion hurled the train carriages 200 feet into the air, and a massive fireball could be seen from the submarine’s periscope.

The submarine and the commandos vanished beneath the waves. The USS Barb became the first and only submarine to “sink” a freight train, and Fluckey earned his fourth and final Navy Cross. Fluckey later wrote in his memoir, “No one who ever served under my command was awarded the Purple Heart for being wounded or killed, and all of us brought our Barb back safe and sound."

Talk about ice water and cojones. 

There you have it!

That is amazing and reads like a 1930s serialized novel.

bobroo

Can anyone explain what is so hard about finding the fire department at fault???

They are the ones who started the vinyl chloride on fire. A chemical spill is one terrible situation; intentionally starting the chemicals on fire and having them carried throughout the atmosphere is a complete other.

Why do people have such difficulty holding a fire department accountable?

Hang The Fire Department!!!

Ozzie_Isaac

bobroo said:

Can anyone explain what is so hard about finding the fire department at fault???

They are the ones who started the vinyl chloride on fire. A chemical spill is one terrible situation; intentionally starting the chemicals on fire and having them carried throughout the atmosphere is a complete other.

Why do people have such difficulty holding a fire department accountable?

Hang The Fire Department!!!

Because the company that owned the train conducted the controlled burn.  It wasn't Jim Bob from the volunteer department that decided to light it off.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/what-we-know-about-the-chemicals-aboard-the-train-that-derailed-in-ohio

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/06/1154760911/ohio-train-derailment

GregW

bobroo said:

Can anyone explain what is so hard about finding the fire department at fault???

They are the ones who started the vinyl chloride on fire. A chemical spill is one terrible situation; intentionally starting the chemicals on fire and having them carried throughout the atmosphere is a complete other.

Why do people have such difficulty holding a fire department accountable?

Hang The Fire Department!!!

People always want to find who to hold accountable when something like this happens. I do agree that there needs to be an investigation, and a day of accountability. However that day is not today. The important thing is to get the situation under control and cleaned up. Holding the local fire department accountable on the surface would be a easy scape goat, but I assure you they were not in a position to manage a disaster of this magnitude. For the record, I'm not a fireman, have never been one, have never known one.

alaskanassasin

No way the fire department made that call.  

nolaegghead

We should wait until the results of a thorough impartial investigation for culpability. 

Any good assessment will also correctly assign culpability to any politicians and corporate interests that fought off safety reforms which could have mitigated this.

lousubcap

@nolaegghead - no chance any politictan's fingerprints will be found as you well know.  Harder to find than footprints in the sand after the tide comes in. 

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

No way the fire department made that call.  

Yeah they tend to focus on putting fires out instead of starting them, despite their name and all.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

We should wait until the results of a thorough impartial investigation for culpability. 

Any good assessment will also correctly assign culpability to any politicians and corporate interests that fought off safety reforms which could have mitigated this.

Justice always prevails.  Right always wins.  Everyone gets what they deserve.  Good don't die young.

HeavyG

Snippet from the Wash. Post yesterday:

"Two days after the train derailed on Feb. 3, DeWine was presented with two “bad options”: Either move forward with the controlled release, or let the fire burn until it died out — if it didn’t explode before then, which was highly likely — his spokesman, Dan Tierney, told The Washington Post.

“It was not an option between [controlled] release or no release,” Tierney said. “It was an option between controlled release or an uncontrolled explosion with shrapnel.”

DeWine said the decision to move forward with the controlled release ultimately came up to him and the town’s fire chief, and he still stands by it.

“When I arrived there that morning, we had a long conversation trying to determine the risk of doing the controlled release versus the risk of doing nothing and waiting,” DeWine said during a Friday news conference. “It was a balancing test.”

A spokesperson with Norfolk Southern did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday on officials’ decision to move forward with the controlled release. The EPA and the Ohio EPA also did not respond to messages from The Post.

East Palestine Mayor Trent Conaway said there was little time to weigh alternatives to the controlled release as temperatures climbed rapidly inside one rail car.

“We had 15 degrees to make a decision,” Conaway told The Post. “It definitely would have blown up.” He called any suggestion that it was to get rail traffic back operating “absolutely false.”

But some residents remain skeptical about whether the controlled release was the best way to proceed."

EDIT: Meant to add link to whole article - https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/17/ohio-derailment-controlled-burning-toxic/

caliking

Hard to believe that nobody has mentioned this nutjob yet -

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1626709037760004096

Ozzie_Isaac

caliking said:

Hard to believe that nobody has mentioned this nutjob yet -

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1626709037760004096

Wasn't there a few posts above where he rolled back safety rules?

Legume

Ozzie_Isaac said:

caliking said:

Hard to believe that nobody has mentioned this nutjob yet -

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1626709037760004096

Wasn't there a few posts above where he rolled back safety rules?

No, that was Brother Dusk, this is Brother Day.

Ozzie_Isaac

Legume said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

caliking said:

Hard to believe that nobody has mentioned this nutjob yet -

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1626709037760004096

Wasn't there a few posts above where he rolled back safety rules?

No, that was Brother Dusk, this is Brother Day.

Awe, I missed that.  I reread it too.  So he basically comes out and says we did Nordstrom 2!?  WTF.  He should be locked up for treason.