Disappointed- Lump failures

jdMyers

Anyone use this lump?  2.5 hours to get it to light.  Full basket.  Pork shoulder at 250.  Basket lasted less than 4 hours.

caliking

Don’t do this. It’s too soon after the last Lump War. 

jdMyers

Sadly when it first became available before it was branded by BGE I was using it.  Never had these kinds of issues before.  Had me googling how to use it as of I was on day one.  Just wierd.. .  

Grogu

I’ve only used the Canadian maple lump from BGE, and I’ve been having good luck with it. The local Ace sometimes has the oak and hickory, but I haven’t tried it. I’ve never seen that bag before.

jdMyers

It's a Brazilian hard wood.  Generally doesn't have any smoke flavor making what ever you add distinctive.  But this particular batch was a challenge. 

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

lousubcap

And here I thought he was trolling...That's what I get for being old!
Happy New Year!

jdMyers

Lessons learned.  However I was able to finish the cook and learned something new.  Positive thing is inkearned something new.

Wooderson

Lol. It's January 1st.  *please don't let this year suck. Please don't let this year suck. *

TechsasJim

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

pgprescott

The maple is very high quality IMO. 

I’m not a huge fan of any of the Brazilian brands. The lump (wood variety) has a mildly off putting odor that I just don’t like. To be clear, I have never noticed that resulting in an off putting flavor but I just don’t like it. Part of the enjoyment is the wonderful aroma of the lump and protein throughout the cook. 

I assume this is very similar to Fogo or KJ stuff. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Ozzie_Isaac

TechsasJim said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

FOGO claims they are ethically and sustainably harvested.  I have never used FOGO, so cannot speak to how well it actually works.

https://www.fogocharcoal.com/pages/about-fogo-charcoal

TechsasJim

Ozzie_Isaac said:

TechsasJim said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

FOGO claims they are ethically and sustainably harvested.  I have never used FOGO, so cannot speak to how well it actually works.

https://www.fogocharcoal.com/pages/about-fogo-charcoal

To me it had a very astringent smell almost like they used an accelerant to turn it into lump.   Very off putting for me.   

As mentioned above part of the cook is to enjoy the aroma rather than fear it.   

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Ozzie_Isaac said:

TechsasJim said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

FOGO claims they are ethically and sustainably harvested.  I have never used FOGO, so cannot speak to how well it actually works.

https://www.fogocharcoal.com/pages/about-fogo-charcoal

They all say that but the amazon rain forest continues to disappear. They are saying that they don’t cut down the trees for charcoal, which is likely true. However, they are there to snap it up when swaths are cleared for other things. 

Acn

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

TechsasJim said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

FOGO claims they are ethically and sustainably harvested.  I have never used FOGO, so cannot speak to how well it actually works.

https://www.fogocharcoal.com/pages/about-fogo-charcoal

They all say that but the amazon rain forest continues to disappear. They are saying that they don’t cut down the trees for charcoal, which is likely true. However, they are there to snap it up when swaths are cleared for other things. 

This is one of those rare times I’d like to agree and dislike at the same time.

HeavyG

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

TechsasJim said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Well- Google Brazilian hardwood charcoal and how it’s sourced and you’ll probably (hopefully) never use it again. Does not matter whether it’s sucks or the best ever, it’s evil (and most of it sucks so just use something more sustainable that is good like Rockwood).  

And that is why I used Fogo once…once…

FOGO claims they are ethically and sustainably harvested.  I have never used FOGO, so cannot speak to how well it actually works.

https://www.fogocharcoal.com/pages/about-fogo-charcoal

They all say that but the amazon rain forest continues to disappear. They are saying that they don’t cut down the trees for charcoal, which is likely true. However, they are there to snap it up when swaths are cleared for other things. 

The forests of South America are not being destroyed because wealthy nations have a huge demand for lump charcoal. Those forests are being cleared for economic development/agricultural purposes - primarily cattle and soy. Brazil and Paraguay are among the largest exporters of beef and both hope to become even larger players in the global beef market. They used to just burn piles of cleared forest until they realized that they could make charcoal and some more money instead of just leaving piles of ash.

It does suck that the economic development model most easily available to so many folks in those countries will likely cause the extinction of thousands of plant and animal species. However, not buying lump charcoal from South American manufacturers will almost certainly have zero impact on stopping the continued destruction of the forests.

stlcharcoal

Slave labor in Brazil used for charcoal production:

The Charcoal People  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxNDbRwrPs

Slavery: A 21st Century Evil  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfbdqVv9tiE

Also, if you watch those videos, you'll see white smoke pouring out of the kilns.  That's a $5000/day fine here in Missouri.  All smoke needs to be fired to 1500F to burn the particulate..

Not a single tree in this State is taken down for charcoal, it's all the offcuts from the timber milling industry--everything too short, knotty, warped, etc to be made into hardwood lumber is what becomes lump charcoal.

Ozzie_Isaac

Those are some enlightening movies.  Will definitely be avoiding any Brazilian charcoal.  Should probably avoid their beef too.

alaskanassasin

HeavyG

stlcharcoal said:

Slave labor in Brazil used for charcoal production:

The Charcoal People  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxNDbRwrPs

Slavery: A 21st Century Evil  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfbdqVv9tiE

Also, if you watch those videos, you'll see white smoke pouring out of the kilns.  That's a $5000/day fine here in Missouri.  All smoke needs to be fired to 1500F to burn the particulate..

Not a single tree in this State is taken down for charcoal, it's all the offcuts from the timber milling industry--everything too short, knotty, warped, etc to be made into hardwood lumber is what becomes lump charcoal.

Gotta love the irony of Qatar calling out another country for engaging in 21st Century slavery.

BuckeyeFork

Wokest lump thread evah.

BlG_GREEN_DAVE

Strike told me onse that all of the lump is just carbon. Charcoal. 

Some has more or less carbon in it bc the people that make charcoal aren’t the sharpest tools on the porch, and some time the charcole has wood in it still. 

But thwre is never any other magic ingrediant that makes it inpossible to cook with

They don’t make carbon that is impossible to light

Ozzie_Isaac

BlG_GREEN_DAVE said:

Strike told me onse that all of the lump is just carbon. Charcoal. 

Some has more or less carbon in it bc the people that make charcoal aren’t the sharpest tools on the porch, and some time the charcole has wood in it still. 

But thwre is never any other magic ingrediant that makes it inpossible to cook with

They don’t make carbon that is impossible to light

I would like to see you light a diamond on fire.

stlcharcoal

BlG_GREEN_DAVE said:

Strike told me onse that all of the lump is just carbon. Charcoal. 

Some has more or less carbon in it bc the people that make charcoal aren’t the sharpest tools on the porch, and some time the charcole has wood in it still. 

But thwre is never any other magic ingrediant that makes it inpossible to cook with

They don’t make carbon that is impossible to light

If it was just carbon, I would have named the brand "Rockwood Carbon", not "Rockwood Charcoal".  That other 15-20% makes a big difference, and if it's unfortunately over 25% its gonna make a huge difference 

While charcoal is the oldest manufactured product known to man, and one of the simplest and most organic, it's not easy to make it good, consistent, nor good AND consistent every time.  Guess those are the sharper tools on the porch that can do that.

BlG_GREEN_DAVE

I feel sorry for OZZY, who is sposed to be smart, for falling for my post. i didnt mean to catch you. But i didnt think you’d be dumb enough to fall for it. 

The charcoal guy i can accept. Because he is only here to sell his charcoal

Aint a damned bag of charcoal that had ever been sold that can’t be cooked with 
except for the sh!tty brazil made Royal Oak, which sparks constantly and covers the food in ash