OT - Covid fatigue

Teefus

I guess our local TV station is getting worn down. They are implying you should fill in your own numbers. 

Botch

Roman numerals, maybe?  
 
I wasn't going to post anything about this, but since the subject's been brought up...  utard has lifted the ban on indoor dining, although some places are remaining closed or curb service only.  
Today I went to Denny's and had their chicken-fried steak breakfast, eggs scrambled and sourdough toast.  First time I've eaten in a restaurant since February.  Not a deluxe meal but dang it was nice to eat out again.  The help wore masks, had 6' reminders on the floor, and sign on the door stated "limiting capacity".  However, just as I finished eating they seated a family of six in the booth across from me, with a 4'-high divider between us.  I could've reached over and patted Dad on the head.  
They were all wearing masks, and I was done so put mine on, and paid the lady.  
I still won't be hitting restaurants much for now, but it sure felt good to do it once, today.  With the max infection event (with nationwide vectors) in Sturgis this week, and schools partially opening everywhere, we'll see where we're at in 3 weeks.    

JohnInCarolina

Osterholm has an op-ed in the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html

Worth your time.

lousubcap

@JohnInCarolina - thanks for the link as his piece was mentioned on MTP this AM.  He is still producing the weekly school opening themed podcasts (at least as of last week) as well.  
As has been mentioned before, while likely the needed medicine the collective we have declared victory and moved on.  It will be extremely difficult to do the complete reverse course now.  FWIW-

Botch

JohnInCarolina said:

Osterholm has an op-ed in the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html

Worth your time.

A good read.  I found this snippet particularly stunning:
 

This pandemic is deeply unfair. Millions of low-wage, front-line service workers have lost their jobs or been put in harm’s way, while most higher-wage, white-collar workers have been spared. But it is even more unfair than that; those of us who’ve kept our jobs are actually saving more money because we aren’t going out to restaurants or movies, or on vacations. Unlike in prior recessions, remarkably, the personal savings rate has soared to 20 percent from around 8 percent in January.

fishlessman

used harley half off sale starts august 31, 2020

Acn

Can't say this is too surprising...

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-football-season-likely-to-be-canceled

ElkhornHusker

I quit watching the numbers a month ago.

HeavyG

Everyone of every age should be aware of everything we continue to learn about covid "aftershocks" but athletes should find this growing body of evidence to be particularly concerning -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes-coronavirus-heart-complications/

fishlessman

388.8 daily cases per 100,000 people in taylor county florida, mingah

RyanStl

I hear you on the fatigue. I'm just waiting for the damn virus to mutate for the better, like other carona viruses have in the past leading up to this gem 

Gulfcoastguy

Botch said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Osterholm has an op-ed in the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html

Worth your time.

A good read.  I found this snippet particularly stunning:
 

This pandemic is deeply unfair. Millions of low-wage, front-line service workers have lost their jobs or been put in harm’s way, while most higher-wage, white-collar workers have been spared. But it is even more unfair than that; those of us who’ve kept our jobs are actually saving more money because we aren’t going out to restaurants or movies, or on vacations. Unlike in prior recessions, remarkably, the personal savings rate has soared to 20 percent from around 8 percent in January.

That’s the case for we who are lucky enough to be retired and drawing a pension also. At least for right now. With all of the trillions of dollars printed to keep the economy from completely collapsing rampant inflation will be coming. Those service workers may end up making more in absolute dollars per year than retired engineers. 

In the present my sister runs a day care/preschool for 0 through 5 years old. She closed for two weeks in March before it was declared an essential business as more than half her students were the children of health care workers. Two of the teachers didn’t return. With state unemployment plus the 600 per week federal subsidy their income was greater than anybody but the owners.. It works out to nearly $49K a year or more than the policemen, firemen, high school teachers, or lower ranked nurses are making. 

stv8r

Botch said:

Roman numerals, maybe?  
 
I wasn't going to post anything about this, but since the subject's been brought up...  utard has lifted the ban on indoor dining, although some places are remaining closed or curb service only.  
Today I went to Denny's and had their chicken-fried steak breakfast, eggs scrambled and sourdough toast.  First time I've eaten in a restaurant since February.  Not a deluxe meal but dang it was nice to eat out again.  The help wore masks, had 6' reminders on the floor, and sign on the door stated "limiting capacity".  However, just as I finished eating they seated a family of six in the booth across from me, with a 4'-high divider between us.  I could've reached over and patted Dad on the head.  
They were all wearing masks, and I was done so put mine on, and paid the lady.  
I still won't be hitting restaurants much for now, but it sure felt good to do it once, today.  With the max infection event (with nationwide vectors) in Sturgis this week, and schools partially opening everywhere, we'll see where we're at in 3 weeks.    

I love Denny's breakfast and chicken fried steak sounds amazing.  Schools shouldn't be an issue as kids are proven to have extremely low rates of transmission and almost nonexistent serious cases (yes there are an EXTREMELY few serious cases reported and even a few deaths I could count on one hand).  However the many many cases of isolated kids facing depression, unreported child abuse (which teachers are the number one source for reporting) and social isolation far outweighs the minimal risk.  Get those kids back to school and let Mom and Dad return to work safely 

Botch

stv8r said:
Schools shouldn't be an issue as kids are proven to have extremely low rates of transmission and almost nonexistent serious cases (yes there are an EXTREMELY few serious cases reported and even a few deaths I could count on one hand).   

While children survive the virus much more successfully than the rest of us, a South Korean study published last week
 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/19/asia-pacific/coronavirus-teens-tweens-south-korea/
 
...showed, even with no symptoms, teens and "tweens" are more contagious than adults who are sick.  We're going to have a lot of dead teachers before Thanksgiving.  
 
Not picking on you @stv8r, this story didn't get quite the coverage I think it should have...    

stv8r

Botch said:

stv8r said:
Schools shouldn't be an issue as kids are proven to have extremely low rates of transmission and almost nonexistent serious cases (yes there are an EXTREMELY few serious cases reported and even a few deaths I could count on one hand).   

While children survive the virus much more successfully than the rest of us, a South Korean study published last week
 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/19/asia-pacific/coronavirus-teens-tweens-south-korea/
 
...showed, even with no symptoms, teens and "tweens" are more contagious than adults who are sick.  We're going to have a lot of dead teachers before Thanksgiving.  
 
Not picking on you @stv8r, just looking at the science.    

So the science says elementary kids have the lowest rates?  Ready to reopen those schools?

Botch

stv8r said:
So the science says elementary kids have the lowest rates?  Ready to reopen those schools?

I would like to see what South Korea is doing.  

Legume

Botch said:

stv8r said:
So the science says elementary kids have the lowest rates?  Ready to reopen those schools?

I would like to see what South Korea is doing.  

The observation has been transmission rates are low with elementary school aged kids. The same has been observed looking at data from European countries and comparing places that locked down (eg Spain) vs places that didn’t (eg Sweden).  I haven’t seen any explanation supported by data for that yet, just an observed trend.

HeavyG

Re kids and covid...

https://www.vox.com/21352597/covid-19-children-infection-transmission-new-studies

Still lots to be learned.

Mattman3969

We are seeing more kids 5 and under testing positive here in Ky. 

lousubcap

Champagne sales have taken a hit: 
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/champagne-sales-coronavirus-grape-surplus  I woulda figured more quarantine would lead to more romper room time and the subsequent pay-off.  
Clearly the loss of restaurant sales overshadow that piece of the market.  

JohnInCarolina

Big10 and Pac-10 out for the fall.  ACC and SEC say they’re sticking with it but it seems to me it’s only a matter of time before they have to pull the plug.

lousubcap

Sports talk TV (aka Sportscenter) and radio just got fuel for several segments.  
Meanwhile Big 10 Nebraska is sitting on the island.  

Hook_emHornsfan_74

JohnInCarolina said:

Big10 and Pac-10 out for the fall.  ACC and SEC say they’re sticking with it but it seems to me it’s only a matter of time before they have to pull the plug.

I bet they play. The Big 12 is about to announce they are goin to try to play. ACC’s head med dr from Duke said it is safe for the players. So hopefully we get some sort of football. 

JohnInCarolina

Hook_emHornsfan_74 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Big10 and Pac-10 out for the fall.  ACC and SEC say they’re sticking with it but it seems to me it’s only a matter of time before they have to pull the plug.

I bet they play. The Big 12 is about to announce they are goin to try to play. ACC’s head med dr from Duke said it is safe for the players. So hopefully we get some sort of football. 

I won’t be surprised if we see a handful of games or even weekends, but all it will take is some high-profile players getting seriously sick from this and they’ll shut it all down.

alaskanassasin

Have there been any high profile players get seriously sick?

Gulfcoastguy

Well  it's the lowest death rate in my state since July 19th, only 33 dead. Noone of them were legislatures and they passed around a raging case while debating on changing the flag. It's been taken down but the new one won't be voted for until November. Judging by our new license plates though it's bound to be ugly.

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

Have there been any high profile players get seriously sick?

I haven’t seen any news of that, but the Red Sox have a pitcher whose season has been ended by it.  He’s 27.

JohnInCarolina

@alaskanassasin - here’s a pretty good primer on one of the considerations:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29633697/heart-condition-linked-covid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability?platform=amp

dbCooper

lousubcap said:

Sports talk TV (aka Sportscenter) and radio just got fuel for several segments.  
Meanwhile Big 10 Nebraska is sitting on the island.  

And what a curious island it is, given that Nebraska is a land-grant (Morrill Act) University.  How semi-pro football aligns with their mission mystifies me.  At any rate, my money says they will be playing this Fall.

ElkhornHusker

dbCooper said:

lousubcap said:

Sports talk TV (aka Sportscenter) and radio just got fuel for several segments.  
Meanwhile Big 10 Nebraska is sitting on the island.  

And what a curious island it is, given that Nebraska is a land-grant (Morrill Act) University.  How semi-pro football aligns with their mission mystifies me.  At any rate, my money says they will be playing this Fall.

Nebraska won't be playing, they would be booted from the conference if they did, per the conference commissioner

FarmingPhD

lousubcap said:

Champagne sales have taken a hit: 
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/champagne-sales-coronavirus-grape-surplus  I woulda figured more quarantine would lead to more romper room time and the subsequent pay-off.  
Clearly the loss of restaurant sales overshadow that piece of the market.  

This is a running joke among our friends, those who get pregnant during this are in the <=1 child category.  Everybody else is wore down with being stuck at home with their own kids.