OT: Windmills and all of the Jobs and the Blowing

PigBeanUs

Sounds totally legit guys, I dunno.

Botch

wardo said:

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

There's actually a very specific reason for this: flood insurance is subsidized by the federal government; it is the only insurance that is (besides banking/FDIC stuff).  
The law was changed years ago and insurance rates adjusted accordingly, this hurt the wealthy (who own most of the "beach-front property") and not surprisingly it went back under guv'mint subsidies.  
As frustrating as the tax situation in pro sports...  

alaskanassasin

Botch said:

wardo said:

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

There's actually a very specific reason for this: flood insurance is subsidized by the federal government; it is the only insurance that is (besides banking/FDIC stuff).  
The law was changed years ago and insurance rates adjusted accordingly, this hurt the wealthy (who own most of the "beach-front property") and not surprisingly it went back under guv'mint subsidies.  
As frustrating as the tax situation in pro sports...  

Crop insurance is subsidized 

Eoin

wardo said:

Let's think about something that NO ONE talks about except to vilify.  The Money.  If we assume that people and institutions that have money and they don't want to lose it, and ideally make more.....

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

Either these folks (people and institutions) with all the money are just so stupid that they're gonna lose everything OR they know that this whole discussion is simply political jockeying to achieve a certain end for interested parties.

There's literally no science to any of the claims and the investment behavior suggests that the whole argument is a bunch of proverbial hot air.  Oh and fun fact, the US is actually leading the world in carbon reduction but even if we cut carbon emissions by 100%, the global change would be like 1%.  Greater Asia is responsible for the plurality of plastic and carbon waste being released into the ecosystem.  If there's really something to be done (no science available to even suggest a fix at this point), the starting place is the developing world.  I doubt that developing countries would be interested in killing their growth and causing their collective standards of living to retreat.  Perhaps we could verify this by looking at how unbelievably bad China and India alone are when it comes to environmental friendliness.

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

The other guy doing nothing isn't a good excuse for doing nothing yourself.

Spaightlabs

Virtually every commercial insurance policy issued can be government subsidized if one elects to accept the TRIA coverage.  

That doesn't mean we should do nothing about things which we can do something about...

Eoin

Eoin said:

wardo said:

Let's think about something that NO ONE talks about except to vilify.  The Money.  If we assume that people and institutions that have money and they don't want to lose it, and ideally make more.....

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

Either these folks (people and institutions) with all the money are just so stupid that they're gonna lose everything OR they know that this whole discussion is simply political jockeying to achieve a certain end for interested parties.

There's literally no science to any of the claims and the investment behavior suggests that the whole argument is a bunch of proverbial hot air.  Oh and fun fact, the US is actually leading the world in carbon reduction but even if we cut carbon emissions by 100%, the global change would be like 1%.  Greater Asia is responsible for the plurality of plastic and carbon waste being released into the ecosystem.  If there's really something to be done (no science available to even suggest a fix at this point), the starting place is the developing world.  I doubt that developing countries would be interested in killing their growth and causing their collective standards of living to retreat.  Perhaps we could verify this by looking at how unbelievably bad China and India alone are when it comes to environmental friendliness.

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

The other guy doing nothing isn't a good excuse for doing nothing yourself.

I thought that the American way was self sufficiency and taking personal responsibility, yet I get a 'disagree' for suggesting this.  Strange.

fishlessman

if the protesting freaks in the 70's left the nuke plants alone, we would be WAY ahead right now

DoubleEgger

fishlessman said:

if the protesting freaks in the 70's left the nuke plants alone, we would be WAY ahead right now

Given how long it took for TVA Watts Bar to come on line, I’ll never see a new nuclear plant produce electricity in my lifetime.   

Eoin

fishlessman said:

if the protesting freaks in the 70's left the nuke plants alone, we would be WAY ahead right now

The Chinese are building our new nuclear power station.

GATraveller

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogtle_Electric_Generating_Plant

DoubleEgger

GATraveller said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogtle_Electric_Generating_Plant

I’ll believe it when I see it. The project was almost scrapped recently if I remember correctly. 

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

if the protesting freaks in the 70's left the nuke plants alone, we would be WAY ahead right now

“If you need a scapegoat, just blame the hippies!” - D!ck Nixon, probably.

wardo

Eoin said:

wardo said:

Let's think about something that NO ONE talks about except to vilify.  The Money.  If we assume that people and institutions that have money and they don't want to lose it, and ideally make more.....

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

Either these folks (people and institutions) with all the money are just so stupid that they're gonna lose everything OR they know that this whole discussion is simply political jockeying to achieve a certain end for interested parties.

There's literally no science to any of the claims and the investment behavior suggests that the whole argument is a bunch of proverbial hot air.  Oh and fun fact, the US is actually leading the world in carbon reduction but even if we cut carbon emissions by 100%, the global change would be like 1%.  Greater Asia is responsible for the plurality of plastic and carbon waste being released into the ecosystem.  If there's really something to be done (no science available to even suggest a fix at this point), the starting place is the developing world.  I doubt that developing countries would be interested in killing their growth and causing their collective standards of living to retreat.  Perhaps we could verify this by looking at how unbelievably bad China and India alone are when it comes to environmental friendliness.

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

The other guy doing nothing isn't a good excuse for doing nothing yourself.

Who said anything about doing nothing?  If you believe that this is a global risk and every country around the world needs to participate to affect change, why not start with the worst offenders?  That would give you the quickest and most drastic impact first!

JohnInCarolina

wardo said:

Eoin said:

wardo said:

Let's think about something that NO ONE talks about except to vilify.  The Money.  If we assume that people and institutions that have money and they don't want to lose it, and ideally make more.....

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

Either these folks (people and institutions) with all the money are just so stupid that they're gonna lose everything OR they know that this whole discussion is simply political jockeying to achieve a certain end for interested parties.

There's literally no science to any of the claims and the investment behavior suggests that the whole argument is a bunch of proverbial hot air.  Oh and fun fact, the US is actually leading the world in carbon reduction but even if we cut carbon emissions by 100%, the global change would be like 1%.  Greater Asia is responsible for the plurality of plastic and carbon waste being released into the ecosystem.  If there's really something to be done (no science available to even suggest a fix at this point), the starting place is the developing world.  I doubt that developing countries would be interested in killing their growth and causing their collective standards of living to retreat.  Perhaps we could verify this by looking at how unbelievably bad China and India alone are when it comes to environmental friendliness.

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

The other guy doing nothing isn't a good excuse for doing nothing yourself.

Who said anything about doing nothing?  If you believe that this is a global risk and every country around the world needs to participate to affect change, why not start with the worst offenders?  That would give you the quickest and most drastic impact first!

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that China or India shouldn’t be taking action.  But this isn’t a situation where the approach should be “well you go first!” 

wardo

And it's not.  The US has taken substantial, measurable and impactful action.  At what point does it make sense to start having the largest offenders take accountability for their actions though?

nolaegghead

wardo said:

Eoin said:

wardo said:

Let's think about something that NO ONE talks about except to vilify.  The Money.  If we assume that people and institutions that have money and they don't want to lose it, and ideally make more.....

Then why on earth do banks and private investors continue to make loans for property on the coasts and buy up land there?  Why is real estate booming in Florida when it was supposed to be under water like 10yrs ago?  Why are small beach towns and communities continuing to grow and boom?  According to the talking heads, the beaches are gonna be washed away and because of the ice caps melting, the majority of the southeastern US is supposed to be under water.  If that's the case, then why would anyone lend money or invest in anything in these areas?

Either these folks (people and institutions) with all the money are just so stupid that they're gonna lose everything OR they know that this whole discussion is simply political jockeying to achieve a certain end for interested parties.

There's literally no science to any of the claims and the investment behavior suggests that the whole argument is a bunch of proverbial hot air.  Oh and fun fact, the US is actually leading the world in carbon reduction but even if we cut carbon emissions by 100%, the global change would be like 1%.  Greater Asia is responsible for the plurality of plastic and carbon waste being released into the ecosystem.  If there's really something to be done (no science available to even suggest a fix at this point), the starting place is the developing world.  I doubt that developing countries would be interested in killing their growth and causing their collective standards of living to retreat.  Perhaps we could verify this by looking at how unbelievably bad China and India alone are when it comes to environmental friendliness.

If you step back from the emotional side of the argument and look at the economic behavior, it's kind of interesting...

The other guy doing nothing isn't a good excuse for doing nothing yourself.

Who said anything about doing nothing?  If you believe that this is a global risk and every country around the world needs to participate to affect change, why not start with the worst offenders?  That would give you the quickest and most drastic impact first!

US has the highest per capita CO2 emissions.  Fkn asinine for the US to regress with environmental policy and opt out of the Paris accord.  We're supposed to be "leaders" and set a good example, we have (or had) a lot of influence in global affairs.

China has no choice but to clean up it's act, it will have the largest emission reduction in the world in the upcoming decades.  They burn more coal, currently, than the rest of the world combined.  Hundreds of thousands of deaths per year from poor air and water quality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_China

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina

wardo said:

And it's not.  The US has taken substantial, measurable and impactful action.  At what point does it make sense to start having the largest offenders take accountability for their actions though?

Unfortunately the US has taken several steps in the wrong direction over the past three years.  Bailing on the Paris accords doesn’t exactly put us in a position of strength when it comes to demanding that China do more.  

I really don’t know why I’m bothering with this cr@p today. It’s Christmas Eve.  Enjoy the holiday.  

Spaightlabs

Man, don't post that stuff, you know we have to be number one in everything!

Off the record, how many flushes does it take you guys to get your average deuce down the crapper?

nolaegghead

Spaightlabs said:

Man, don't post that stuff, you know we have to be number one in everything!

Off the record, how many flushes does it take you guys to get your average deuce down the crapper?

I'll always give it a second flush because:

1. The cats drink out of the toilet

2. The Mississippi river is too high

Botch

Ah, the rarely-seen, but easy-to-fit, surfboard chart!  

nolaegghead

Botch said:

Ah, the rarely-seen, but easy-to-fit, surfboard chart!  

If you tilt the screen at the right angle, it almost looks round.

Spaightlabs

nolaegghead said:

Botch said:

Ah, the rarely-seen, but easy-to-fit, surfboard chart!  

If you tilt the screen at the right angle, it almost looks round.

Should look fine in about 9 hours without tilting the screen.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all y'all, even the deplorables.

littlerascal56

This 10# turkey breast was just cooked on my XL, located 3 miles from 112 GE 1.8 MW wind turbines.  It tasted great and the EMF’s did not affect the tenderness or the juicy flesh one bit! 😂
And my Flameboss operated on “Green” power!

DMW

littlerascal56 said:

This 10# turkey breast was just cooked on my XL, located 3 miles from 112 GE 1.8 MW wind turbines.  It tasted great and the EMF’s did not affect the tenderness or the juicy flesh one bit! 😂
And my Flameboss operated on “Green” power!

Looks great! I hope you don't get windmill noise cancer.

littlerascal56

But on the bright side, we have Vo-Techs in Kansas offering free tuition in Wind Technology, and are guaranteed $30/hour jobs at the wind farms.  And you don’t have Mesothelioma to look forward to like us old plant guys that worked with asbestos for 40 years!

wardo

This has been a fun ride!

Merry Christmas everyone!

Eoin

littlerascal56 said:

But on the bright side, we have Vo-Techs in Kansas offering free tuition in Wind Technology, and are guaranteed $30/hour jobs at the wind farms.  And you don’t have Mesothelioma to look forward to like us old plant guys that worked with asbestos for 40 years!

Long way to fall though.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

if the protesting freaks in the 70's left the nuke plants alone, we would be WAY ahead right now

“If you need a scapegoat, just blame the hippies!” - D!ck Nixon, probably.

i think theres a difference between paid protesters and hippies whoevers family that owned the beer store across from the seabrook plant entrance is living the high life