Honoring John McCain

GrillSgt

Or not. smmfh 

fishlessman

i take it that you like heroes that didnt get caught

lousubcap

I believe it is in reference to the prior thread about Senator McCain that got Buffaloed. 

JohnInCarolina

lousubcap said:

I believe it is in reference to the prior thread about Senator McCain that got Buffaloed. 

Hmmm...

GrillSgt

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I’m guessing there are morons out there who believe a person that lost their life in defense of their country cannot be a real hero. 

DoubleEgger

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

stlcharcoal

DoubleEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

Not a d!ck move.....it's US flag code.  I remembered this from Boy Scouts, but went to double check.  Members of Congress get the day of death + one day.  He died on Saturday, so, the flag goes back up on Monday.  Read below.  Anybody know that on Memorial Day that flag is only supposed to be at half staff until noon??  Now you do. 

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. 

milesvdustin

Yup, two days. Not a **** move

billt01

stlcharcoal said:

DoubleEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

Not a d!ck move.....it's US flag code.  I remembered this from Boy Scouts, but went to double check.  Members of Congress get the day of death + one day.  He died on Saturday, so, the flag goes back up on Monday.  Read below.  Anybody know that on Memorial Day that flag is only supposed to be at half staff until noon??  Now you do. 

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. 

gonna be interesting to see any retort about this...

or it could just be silence...

I'm kinda looking forward to either.

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

I believe it is in reference to the prior thread about Senator McCain that got Buffaloed. 

missed the thread, my bad

GrillSgt

The POTUS determines when the flag is to be flown at half-staff and can extend the period to the length he thinks appropriate. It's clear what he thinks is appropriate.

johnmitchell

@stlcharcoal..Thank you... I did not know that and as a fairly new citizen very interesting..

Eggdicted_Dawgfan

So, just curious here, how many days would have been appropriate for you not to feel the need to start a thread on a BBQ forum complaining about it? 

DoubleEgger

billt01 said:

stlcharcoal said:

DoubleEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

Not a d!ck move.....it's US flag code.  I remembered this from Boy Scouts, but went to double check.  Members of Congress get the day of death + one day.  He died on Saturday, so, the flag goes back up on Monday.  Read below.  Anybody know that on Memorial Day that flag is only supposed to be at half staff until noon??  Now you do. 

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. 

gonna be interesting to see any retort about this...

or it could just be silence...

I'm kinda looking forward to either.

Where does Barbara Bush’s five day flag lowering fall under the Flag Code? 

GrillSgt

Something that would honor Sen. McCain for more than just his time in Congress. I would think until internment. He was afforded the same as a one-year congressman who dies in office.

JohnInCarolina

I have a hard time giving Trump flak because the flag was only lowered for two days or whatever.   Good grief.  

HendersonTRKing

The **** move was not mentioning McCain in his tweet expressing sympathy to the family.  Or maybe the **** move was when the prez posted an instagram with the same sentiment and his own picture. 

Hardly dickish in comparison to lowering the flag either too soon or in compliance with the US Code, depending on your pov.  Note, of course, that this particular provision of the law rarely is strictly complied with . . . but I guess we're complying with laws now?

GrillSgt

I think you have a hard time giving Trump grief over anything.

JohnInCarolina

The thing about all of this stuff is that McCain and Trump didn't exactly have a great relationship, dating back to the middle of Trump's campaign.  

Trump has said some fairly terrible things about McCain, and in return he was told not to attend any of the ceremonies honoring McCain in his death.  He's reacting the way you'd expect someone who is petty and vindictive to act.  Expecting Trump to suddenly acquire a new level of grace and statesmanship with McCain's passing is delusional.  I'm not excusing it at all, I'm just not surprised by any of it at this point.  

billt01

DoubleEgger said:

billt01 said:

stlcharcoal said:

DoubleEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

Not a d!ck move.....it's US flag code.  I remembered this from Boy Scouts, but went to double check.  Members of Congress get the day of death + one day.  He died on Saturday, so, the flag goes back up on Monday.  Read below.  Anybody know that on Memorial Day that flag is only supposed to be at half staff until noon??  Now you do. 

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. 

gonna be interesting to see any retort about this...

or it could just be silence...

I'm kinda looking forward to either.

Where does Barbara Bush’s five day flag lowering fall under the Flag Code? 

Simply stated, he liked ol' Barbara more than he liked ol' John..

She got more than a tweet...

"On this solemn day, we mourn the loss of Barbara Bush, an outstanding and memorable woman of character.  As a wife, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, military spouse, and former First Lady, Mrs. Bush was an advocate of the American family.  Mrs. Bush lived a life that reminds us always to cherish our relationships with friends, family, and all acquaintances.  In the spirit of the memory of Mrs. Bush, may we always remember to be kind to one another and to put the care of others first.

As a mark of respect for the memory of Barbara Bush, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, on the day of interment.  I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same period at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this seventeenth day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-second.

DONALD J. TRUMP"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-flying-flag-half-staff-passing-barbara-bush/

stlcharcoal

…..and when President Trump passes away one day, the haters are going to b!tch that the flag is lowered for 30 days.  Get over it......got more important stuff to worry about.

What should be offensive to everyone is the amount of media attention on President Trump's reaction/followup to McCain's death rather than McCain himself.  McCain got about 12 hrs or so (through the Sunday morning shows), before the media made it all about Trump again.  At least the flag was at half-staff for longer than that!!


**BTW, the President HAD to order the flag at half-staff for Barbara Bush.  Flag code doesn't mention first ladies or former first ladies.  It does say day+1 for members of congress...…that's automatic.  Not the case with Barbara Bush.

JohnInCarolina

Yeah nice sentiments on Barbara, but I’d place good odds on Trump not having written a single word of that.

Gulfcoastguy

https://www.azcentral.com/story/azdc/2014/04/06/keating-five-scandal-dogs-mccain/7328163/

SaintJohnsEgger

McCain opposed everything that Trump said or did. I can understand Trump not liking him as well as McCain not wanting Trump at the funeral.

Lets get back to Eggs and BBQ.

stlcharcoal

SaintJohnsEgger said:

McCain opposed everything that Trump said or did. I can understand Trump not liking him as well as McCain not wanting Trump at the funeral.

Lets get back to Eggs and BBQ.

He uninvited President Trump from his funeral months ago.....and it had all the talking heads on TV loving it.  Now they're saying "Trump will not attend any of McCain's funerals" like it was his decision not too.  

HeavyG

DoubleEgger said:

billt01 said:

stlcharcoal said:

DoubleEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

No it’s about a draft dodger raising the flag to full staff. 

I just read about it. That’s a straight up d!ck move. 

Not a d!ck move.....it's US flag code.  I remembered this from Boy Scouts, but went to double check.  Members of Congress get the day of death + one day.  He died on Saturday, so, the flag goes back up on Monday.  Read below.  Anybody know that on Memorial Day that flag is only supposed to be at half staff until noon??  Now you do. 

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. 

gonna be interesting to see any retort about this...

or it could just be silence...

I'm kinda looking forward to either.

Where does Barbara Bush’s five day flag lowering fall under the Flag Code? 

POTUS has a lot of flexibility as to when they can request the flag be at half staff and for how long.

The Google tells me that in Obama's last year the flag was ordered lowered for 5 days for Nancy Reagan in March, 5 days for victims of the attack in Brussels in March, 5 days for the victims of the attack in Orlando in June, 9 days for John Glenn's death in December. Obama had the flag lowered for 3 days for the death of Shimon Peres (so a former government official of a foreign nation got one day more than Mcain).

Trump could have ordered the flag to be lowered for longer for McCain but decided to just stick to the letter of the law. Shouldn't be a real surprise to anyone cuz...Trump.

GATraveller

I honestly believe his social skills stopped developing somewhere around 8th grade.

fishlessman

trump would have dishonored mccains last wishes if he lowered the flag any longer than he did. anyone watching the media loons knows this

DMW

The White House flag has just been returned to half staff.

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

trump would have dishonored mccains last wishes if he lowered the flag any longer than he did. anyone watching the media loons knows this

DMW said:

The White House flag has just been returned to half staff.

LMAO fish, maybe Trump heard you.

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

trump would have dishonored mccains last wishes if he lowered the flag any longer than he did. anyone watching the media loons knows this

DMW said:

The White House flag has just been returned to half staff.

LMAO fish, maybe Trump heard you.

Of course now some folks are going to be pissed that Trump gave in to popular outrage.

Poor Trump, the guy just can't catch a break.