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OT - Sports Fans - Lions vs. All Blacks

Eoin
Eoin Posts: 4,304
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3rd Test between the Lions and the All Blacks about to kick off. 1-1 so far, decider to play. Should be a great game if you can get a feed / stay up late. Breakfast time here in UK, perfect timing for us.
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  • CPFC1905
    CPFC1905 Posts: 1,975
    Plan for the worst - hope for the best.   I think we will know in about 20 minutes how this is going to go.....
    Bit early for a lucky-Guinness
    Other girls may try to take me away 
    But you know, it's by your side I will stay
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  • CPFC1905
    CPFC1905 Posts: 1,975
    Roman Poite on whistle duties - little likelihood of the ruck/non-ruck, I suspect in this one.
    Other girls may try to take me away 
    But you know, it's by your side I will stay
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Haka ...... yawn. Down to business.
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  • CPFC1905
    CPFC1905 Posts: 1,975
    They will get tries we will get pens.  Shake hands on a 21-9 defeat now?
    Other girls may try to take me away 
    But you know, it's by your side I will stay
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Back in the game before half time after a very shaky spell. Going to be a tough one to win.
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    Tied series in NZ is a great result!
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  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,051
    That is definitely a good result.  On a related topic, as a European, what do you think of the US sporting perspective that in virtually all games there must be a winner and a loser?  We used to allow ties in American football, but got rid of that a while back.  I think that youth soccer taught my kids a lot of life lessons that they wouldn't have gotten from more American sports and learning how to deal with a tie is one of them.  Sometimes a tie feels like a victory - as in this case if you are English.  Sometimes it feels like a loss - as in this case if you are Kiwi.  Sometimes it feels like the appropriate result and was well-earned by both teams.  Sometimes it feels like an appropriate result but leaves a bad tasted in your mouth - if both teams played poorly and squandered opportunities to grab the victory...

    Thoughts?

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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,977
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
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  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,051
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    Yep.  This.  It's the American way.  

    "Winning isn't everything.  It's the only thing."

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  • MJG
    MJG Posts: 599
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    edited July 2017
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    MJG said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
    A draw is a valid result in a league competition. In a knock out you need a win, although in football we usually have a replay before resorting to extra time / penalties. It's easy to see why football (soccer) is a hard sell in the US if you have to have a result.
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,977
    Eoin said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    MJG said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
    A draw is a valid result in a league competition. In a knock out you need a win, although in football we usually have a replay before resorting to extra time / penalties. It's easy to see why football (soccer) is a hard sell in the US if you have to have a result.
    Hell you don't even know when the game ends in soccer. 
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    MJG said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
    A draw is a valid result in a league competition. In a knock out you need a win, although in football we usually have a replay before resorting to extra time / penalties. It's easy to see why football (soccer) is a hard sell in the US if you have to have a result.
    Hell you don't even know when the game ends in soccer. 
    Exactly, unlike basketball or football where you know when there's 2 minutes left on the clock, that game will end in 2 minutes.
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    nolaegghead said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    MJG said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
    A draw is a valid result in a league competition. In a knock out you need a win, although in football we usually have a replay before resorting to extra time / penalties. It's easy to see why football (soccer) is a hard sell in the US if you have to have a result.
    Hell you don't even know when the game ends in soccer. 
    Exactly, unlike basketball or football where you know when there's 2 minutes left on the clock, that game will end in 2 minutes.
    You mean apart from the bits where the clock stops?
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,977
    Eoin said:
    nolaegghead said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Somebody's got to win. Ties do happen in the NFL but it's fairly rare. Everyone is pissed with a tie. 
    MJG said:
    Eoin said:
    @Foghorn Nothing wrong with a draw in my opinion.  As you say, a bottom of the league football team can be delighted with an away draw at a top team, hanging on to the end, and it can be more entertaining than a one sided 4-0 thrashing.

    Would US sports fans accept a hard fought 0-0 draw as entertainment, or must points be scored? 
    Ties suck. Why bother playing if no win or loss?  Yes, I'm an American. I do like the way that the National Hockey League does it. A win in OT is not rewarded as much as a straight up win. Also, the losing team gets a point for forcing OT. 
    A draw is a valid result in a league competition. In a knock out you need a win, although in football we usually have a replay before resorting to extra time / penalties. It's easy to see why football (soccer) is a hard sell in the US if you have to have a result.
    Hell you don't even know when the game ends in soccer. 
    Exactly, unlike basketball or football where you know when there's 2 minutes left on the clock, that game will end in 2 minutes.
    You mean apart from the bits where the clock stops?
    Two minutes of actual play that can affect the outcome of the game. The end of soccer matches are very vague and arbitrary. 
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  • Fred19Flintstone
    Fred19Flintstone Posts: 8,173
    edited July 2017


    Yeah, that sucks.

    Flint, Michigan
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  • CtTOPGUN
    CtTOPGUN Posts: 612
    I love most sports. And I have tried to watch soccer many times. Unless Brazil is playing an outclassed opponent (looking like the Harlem Globetrotters), I just find it lacking in action.

     To me, soccer and basketball share pretty much the same premises. Ball control. Working the ball to expose defensive vulnerabilities. In soccer the ball is reasonable in size compared to a basketball. But the goal in soccer is HUGE in comparison. The basketball hoop is only slightly larger than the ball. And then we put it 10' in the air. Yet the basketball players manage to get that ball in the hoop at a near 50% clip. The soccer players rarely manage any scores. 

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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
    And then you have the fake falls to hopefully draw a card....and they all do it.  
    Weak.
    Brandon
    Quad Cities
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  • Biggreenpharmacist
    Biggreenpharmacist Posts: 4,343
    edited July 2017
    hate the fake falls. 

    Little Rock, AR

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  • bud812
    bud812 Posts: 1,869
    Focker said:
    And then you have the fake falls to hopefully draw a card....and they all do it.  
    Weak.
    This is fake news.

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  • Biggreenpharmacist
    Biggreenpharmacist Posts: 4,343
    Focker said:
    And then you have the fake falls to hopefully draw a card....and they all do it.  
    Weak.
    Good thing americans don't do that. 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqR8Pr4ehXk

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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
    Biggreenpharmacist said:
    Focker said:
    And then you have the fake falls to hopefully draw a card....and they all do it.  
    Weak.
    Good thing americans don't do that. 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqR8Pr4ehXk
    Wasn't implying they didn't.
    I don't watch a whole lot of commercials with a little bit of NFL anymore.  
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I suspect any sport is lame to someone who doesn't know much about it.
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  • CPFC1905
    CPFC1905 Posts: 1,975
    Morning Eoin - about to watch the highlights on catch-up.

    Intersting to see the comments about the value of a draw.  

    What has been missed is the inadvertent affect that win / loss has, in that it rewards defensively strong teams.  If my team is very unlikely to concede - I don't need to try so hard to score more than once.  Any sport where you can score early and then disrupt the opposition is vulnerable to this.
    Rugby address this,  in the Aviva Premiership and now 6 nations, though the bonus point system.

    Taken out of context,  consider this about a queue of people.  You have advertised that you will give free food from 2pm.   People form a long queue from mid-day.  
    Who do you serve first at 2pm?   You could argue that is should be the person who arrived last - so at 2pm.  
    They arrived on time and correctly followed the instruction.  They "won" under the rules of this game.  Why should you reward the "losers"- those who arrived early?

    Cricket is a game of individual duals spread across up to 30 hours of live-playing time.   The key battle is one of concentration and strategy.  The overall result does not always reflect the nature of behaviour, skill and effort exerted.

    My position is simple,  a high scoring draw in any game is far more entertaining than a single score / defensive shut-out.
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