Table nest necessary

Miked125

The one dealer I went to didn't know anything about them, then said it was $200. I went to the other dealer in town and got one for $50. Its so needed.

PatBateman

HeavyG said:

bigalsworth said:

Carolina Q said:

bigalsworth said:

Lol i'm not surprised, I knew it was happening.  Doesn't mean I'm smart though.

Surprised was the wrong word, I guess. More like, it always amazes me that people let this happen. Although, I'm sure some ARE surprised.

depending on how you do a word a search a lone paver solution can come with glowing reviews.  My dealer told me that is all I needed, and as stated above some get away with it.  I knew the risk and I took it (stupid, but I did it anyway).  I did monitor the wood underneath, but only looking from the bottom, and from the bottom it still looks perfectly fine.

There are likely many who are surprised.  I think of my own dealer, how many eggs has he sold telling customers it is all okay, and I doubt many find their way to the internet to even bother to look it up.

I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:



I'm curious if using something other than the stock charcoal grate (e.g. Kick Ash Basket, High Que Grate) makes any difference in how it impacts the heat pattern thru the bottom.

That was my thinking as well, those without the cast iron would certainly heat the bottom well beyond the stock configuration. 

jtcBoynton

Got mine for less than $30.  Shopping around is a good idea.

JohnnyTarheel

Got mine as well for less than $30. My dealer has them in stock...

RRP

$200, $50, or even just $30 - all is more than the 3 green feet that came stock with every BGE.

jtcBoynton

True, but the air gap is 2" vs 3/4".  Makes a diff.  Newer eggs don't come with the feet is there is a new generation of eggers who don't know about them.

Thomasc18

Got mine for 30 as well

bigalsworth

pgprescott said:

PatBateman said:

Rte1985 said:

JohnnyTarheel said:

Rte1985 said:

Stone, or air gap (nest) is a must!  That a lot of concentrated heat directly on a combustible table!

This is not a 'OR' situation... you need both on wood table....

A lot of people have done double paver stone with zero issues (a lot have done large single paver with no issues) and yes a large enough air barrier would suffice( now you are correct that the nest itself is not sufficient air gap) it's all a matter of heat transfer... So this CAN be an OR situation if done correctly.

I'm confused as to why the table-nest alone does not suffice?

It will suffice. The paver is the item that is not needed either by itself or with the table nest.

BGE themselves say to use something in conjunction with the table next and give a paver as an example

Skiddymarker

Air gap is the key, not the thickness of a paver or stone. I do have a table nest and the almost 2" gap prevents the stone under the egg from even getting warm. If you do use a paver or patio stone, even some 1" square aluminum tubing works like a hot damn. 

Carolina Q

I used to think that one day I'd probably build a table for my large. But I just can't get excited about them. Sure, they look nicer than a nest, but the nest will never burn or char and it's quite serviceable. Put a table next to it and you have plenty of work surface. Easier to build too, if you want to build your own. No holes to cut or reinforce, no heavy frame needed to support a heavy egg, no casters to install... and no pavers!

bigalsworth

jtcBoynton said:

Remember that the thermal conductivity for a paver is an order of magnitude higher than air.  Granite and tile are an additional order of magnitude higher.

An air gap being an insulator is a bit of a misnomer, the insulating value of air is worthless because it is not confined with no movement.  The air acts like a coolant in this case, taking heat and carrying it away.  It is not insulating, it is cooling.  I realize some will say that is just splitting hairs but it is actually what is happening.

pgprescott

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

PatBateman said:

Rte1985 said:

JohnnyTarheel said:

Rte1985 said:

Stone, or air gap (nest) is a must!  That a lot of concentrated heat directly on a combustible table!

This is not a 'OR' situation... you need both on wood table....

A lot of people have done double paver stone with zero issues (a lot have done large single paver with no issues) and yes a large enough air barrier would suffice( now you are correct that the nest itself is not sufficient air gap) it's all a matter of heat transfer... So this CAN be an OR situation if done correctly.

I'm confused as to why the table-nest alone does not suffice?

It will suffice. The paver is the item that is not needed either by itself or with the table nest.

BGE themselves say to use something in conjunction with the table next and give a paver as an example

HeavyG said:

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I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:

pgprescott

jtcBoynton said:

True, but the air gap is 2" vs 3/4".  Makes a diff.  Newer eggs don't come with the feet is there is a new generation of eggers who don't know about them.

THIS is why they make the table nest in lieu f the feet. 

Rte1985

Skiddymarker said:

Air gap is the key, not the thickness of a paver or stone. I do have a table nest and the almost 2" gap prevents the stone under the egg from even getting warm. If you do use a paver or patio stone, even some 1" square aluminum tubing works like a hot damn. 

 Just to keep the thread alive so you're saying if I had a wood table and I had a 10 foot thick concrete stone on top of the table the wood table still risk getting burned I think not!  Of course that's extreme but to say the thickness of a material has no effect on thermal transfer is crazy! even an insufficient air gap will burn a table. As you increase the thickness of the air gap you decrease your heat transfer. But yes having a stone and air gap is a very safe setup!

bigalsworth

pgprescott said:

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

PatBateman said:

Rte1985 said:

JohnnyTarheel said:

Rte1985 said:

Stone, or air gap (nest) is a must!  That a lot of concentrated heat directly on a combustible table!

This is not a 'OR' situation... you need both on wood table....

A lot of people have done double paver stone with zero issues (a lot have done large single paver with no issues) and yes a large enough air barrier would suffice( now you are correct that the nest itself is not sufficient air gap) it's all a matter of heat transfer... So this CAN be an OR situation if done correctly.

I'm confused as to why the table-nest alone does not suffice?

It will suffice. The paver is the item that is not needed either by itself or with the table nest.

BGE themselves say to use something in conjunction with the table next and give a paver as an example

HeavyG said:

» show previous quotes

I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:

Rte1985

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

PatBateman said:

Rte1985 said:

JohnnyTarheel said:

Rte1985 said:

Stone, or air gap (nest) is a must!  That a lot of concentrated heat directly on a combustible table!

This is not a 'OR' situation... you need both on wood table....

A lot of people have done double paver stone with zero issues (a lot have done large single paver with no issues) and yes a large enough air barrier would suffice( now you are correct that the nest itself is not sufficient air gap) it's all a matter of heat transfer... So this CAN be an OR situation if done correctly.

I'm confused as to why the table-nest alone does not suffice?

It will suffice. The paver is the item that is not needed either by itself or with the table nest.

BGE themselves say to use something in conjunction with the table next and give a paver as an example

HeavyG said:

» show previous quotes

I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:

Thats a wrap folks!  In the fire service we do like to be over cautious when it comes to fire protection! So people be safe and don't burn your house down!

HeavyG

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

bigalsworth said:

pgprescott said:

PatBateman said:

Rte1985 said:

JohnnyTarheel said:

Rte1985 said:

Stone, or air gap (nest) is a must!  That a lot of concentrated heat directly on a combustible table!

This is not a 'OR' situation... you need both on wood table....

A lot of people have done double paver stone with zero issues (a lot have done large single paver with no issues) and yes a large enough air barrier would suffice( now you are correct that the nest itself is not sufficient air gap) it's all a matter of heat transfer... So this CAN be an OR situation if done correctly.

I'm confused as to why the table-nest alone does not suffice?

It will suffice. The paver is the item that is not needed either by itself or with the table nest.

BGE themselves say to use something in conjunction with the table next and give a paver as an example

HeavyG said:

» show previous quotes

I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:

BGE really should take the time to update their official table plan documents if they have changed their position on this.

jtcBoynton

But they still seem to think that a granite tile and a cement paver provide the same thermal protection.

pgprescott

I'm not sure you are reading it exactly as intended. The bold writing says it all. The rest is lawyer speak. There are two paragraphs. The tile or paver is fine if used with a table nest, however you will likely need a step stool to reach the cooking surface. It is not required. Also don't use your egg near anything wood or combustible (lawyers) ever. Your table is not exactly tinder or charcloth, unless you set a hot egg on it without an airgap for a couple years. I wouldn't put an egg in a wood table without the air gap. I wouldn't hesitate to put an egg in a wood table with the table nest. To each their own. Mine's in a nest. 

Rte1985

Ya Sorry guys for being hard headed about the matter! Mines in a standard nest so I don't even know why I'm chiming in!

bigalsworth

pgprescott said:

I'm not sure you are reading it exactly as intended. The bold writing says it all. The rest is lawyer speak. There are two paragraphs. The tile or paver is fine if used with a table nest, however you will likely need a step stool to reach the cooking surface. It is not required. Also don't use your egg near anything wood or combustible (lawyers) ever. Your table is not exactly tinder or charcloth, unless you set a hot egg on it without an airgap for a couple years. I wouldn't put an egg in a wood table without the air gap. I wouldn't hesitate to put an egg in a wood table with the table nest. To each their own. Mine's in a nest. 

I just pointed out that BGE suggests that you should use something in conjunction with the table nest so it is not directly over combustible material... and they do, so what if it is lawyer speak.

lousubcap

Dang- almost approaching a "who's lump is bigger thread" and on Friday eve.  Carry on.  

rockymountaineggster

I picked up some "pot feet" from the local Lowe's after someone's suggestion on here and they work great. They are similar to the bge green feet of old. Being in Colorado I did get a few interesting reactions from the employees when I asked where their pot feet were located though. 

SemolinaPilchard

HeavyG said:

bigalsworth said:

Carolina Q said:

bigalsworth said:

Lol i'm not surprised, I knew it was happening.  Doesn't mean I'm smart though.

Surprised was the wrong word, I guess. More like, it always amazes me that people let this happen. Although, I'm sure some ARE surprised.

depending on how you do a word a search a lone paver solution can come with glowing reviews.  My dealer told me that is all I needed, and as stated above some get away with it.  I knew the risk and I took it (stupid, but I did it anyway).  I did monitor the wood underneath, but only looking from the bottom, and from the bottom it still looks perfectly fine.

There are likely many who are surprised.  I think of my own dealer, how many eggs has he sold telling customers it is all okay, and I doubt many find their way to the internet to even bother to look it up.

I've posted this many times before but according to BGE the use of a concrete paver block, while not the preferred method, is acceptable practice and is shown on their official table plans:



I'm curious if using something other than the stock charcoal grate (e.g. Kick Ash Basket, High Que Grate) makes any difference in how it impacts the heat pattern thru the bottom.

I would imagine charcoal grates that allow better airflow have more heat hitting the paver, but my table scorched while having my egg sitting directly on a three and a half inch paver while I was still using the BGE grate.

Focker

I settled the table fix by building a transport table for the small.  I'm pretty hard on things, my patio, egg table, brand new paver slab for the KBQ, and military camp tables...all have charcoal, grease, sauce, burn stains galore.  I now cover the folding camp tables in HD Al foil.  Function trumps fancy form, in my book.  Don't get me wrong, the custom tables look really cool, just not my thang.   In hindsight, I'm glad I controlled the urge, to build one.

Same reason I chose formica faux granite for the kitchen  DIY cutting, low maintenance, it will get used, and probably abused, at some point.  Not quite keepin up with the Jones', but easily gets the job done.  My plumber buddy freaked me out a little, about the radon thing.

For the transport table project, and after scientific research of various materials vs air, I went with both an air gap, and a split, split firebrick base.  If I built a table for the larges, it would be with both an air gap and firebricks.

pgprescott

Focker said:

I settled the table fix by building a transport table for the small.  I'm pretty hard on things, my patio, egg table, brand new paver slab for the KBQ, and military camp tables...all have charcoal, grease, sauce, burn stains galore.  I now cover the folding camp tables in HD Al foil.  Function trumps fancy form, in my book.  Don't get me wrong, the custom tables look really cool, just not my thang.   In hindsight, I'm glad I controlled the urge, to build one.

Same reason I chose formica faux granite for the kitchen  DIY cutting, low maintenance, it will get used, and probably abused, at some point.  Not quite keepin up with the Jones', but easily gets the job done.  My plumber buddy freaked me out a little, about the radon thing.

For the transport table project, and after scientific research of various materials vs air, I went with both an air gap, and a split, split firebrick base.  If I built a table for the larges, it would be with both an air gap and firebricks.

And here I thought you lived a bit around the edges. Turns out you are a safety first guy. Oh well, can't hurt cuz you are plenty tall enough to reach the grilling surface even with a couple stones under the nest. LOL! FWIW, I really like my nest set up too. I coveted the tables when I first started Egging as well. 

SaintJohnsEgger

I just have the nest. But. I use my infrared thermometer to monitor the table temp under the egg while cooking.

I may get a stone to go with that but lifting the egg and putting the stone in is not task that I'm anxious to attempt.

pgprescott

SaintJohnsEgger said:

I just have the nest. But. I use my infrared thermometer to monitor the table temp under the egg while cooking.

I may get a stone to go with that but lifting the egg and putting the stone in is not task that I'm anxious to attempt.

What are the results from your monitoring? 

bigalsworth

SaintJohnsEgger said:

I just have the nest. But. I use my infrared thermometer to monitor the table temp under the egg while cooking.

I may get a stone to go with that but lifting the egg and putting the stone in is not task that I'm anxious to attempt.

That was one of the reasons that it has taken me so long to get something under mine for an air gap.  Pure laziness on my part.  I am replacing the base now because mine is cracked so I figured I might as well put the nest in.

minniemoh

SaintJohnsEgger said:

putting the stone in is not task that I'm anxious to attempt.

Two buddies, a six pack, and two minutes. Done deal.