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OT: Our Rescue Golden blew out his ACL in back left leg

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  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,231
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    Thanks for you words of wisdom @Dobie. I truly appreciate it. It is a heart vs. head issue for sure. 

    We went through chemo and amputation with one and regret what we put the other through at then end with surgeries related to the auto-immune disease. 

    Here's Buck: 


    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • bigalsworth
    bigalsworth Posts: 685
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    I think with the injury you are describing there may not be many less invasive options.  We tried to reduce activity and put our dog on pain killers for months trying to get it to heal but it was a no go.  There is always risk to surgery but it was the best thing we did for her.  I actually regret keeping her in pain for so long trying to get it to heal on its own but there was no way we could have known.
    Large BGE
    BBQ Guru DigiQ II

    Martensville, Saskatchewan Canada
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  • Langner91
    Langner91 Posts: 2,120
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    My Dad's Springer just had the same surgery three weeks ago.  Long road. She's miserable, because she can't hardly walk yet. Poor dog. 

    Good luck to your pal.  I hope it goes well. 

    I hate to see sick kids and sick critters. Makes a person feel helpless. 
    Clinton, Iowa
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  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
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    Hopd your dog gets better man!


    I also hope he catches food better than this golden retriever!  :tongue: 

    https://youtu.be/dD9NgzLhbBM
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
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  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,231
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    Haha! I saw that video and cracked up. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • pab
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    This is our Golden, Leeah. She had the surgery three years ago when she was six. For us the hardest part was crating her in the day with the cone collar on while we were at work.  We did the surgery around Thanksgiving and by the time it warmed up in the spring she was back to playing short-ball catch. We are glad we did it. Hope all goes well with Buck. 
    Nerk Ahia LBGE
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  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,231
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    @pab

    Thanks for the note. The good news, is that one of us can be home with Buck most of the time. Glad it worked out for Leeah! 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • DaveRichardson
    DaveRichardson Posts: 2,324
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    Confinement and assisted weight bearing is in the future. A sheet wrapped around the belly and you holding up on the sheet to help take the weight off the leg. 

    You'll have strong arms when it's all said and done!

    I'm used to doing these on humans every week.....

    LBGE #19 from North GA Eggfest, 2014

    Stockbridge, GA - just south of Atlanta where we are covered up in Zombies!  #TheWalkingDead films practically next door!

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  • evie1370
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    So sorry to hear this, sending good vibes your way. Our old Airedale had a massive spine infection when he was about 11. Thought for sure we would have to put him down cause at the time they thought it was a blown disc and he was too old for surgery. They brought him back and he lived another two good years...a full life well lived. We were poor as heck then but we paid the over $2000 total and never regretted it. Keep this thread going, I would love to see how everything turns out, but I think old Buck has a lot of fight left in him. My daughter has a Golden mix, they are great dogs!

    Medium BGE in Cincinnati OH.

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    "I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they frighten me. " Duke of Wellington, Battle of Waterloo.
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  • jeffwit
    jeffwit Posts: 1,348
    edited August 2015
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    I'm a vet, so I'll jump in here with some comments. Let me say from the first, though, I'm not here to second-guess what your veterinarians are telling you. But maybe I can help clear up some questions.
    I am not a board-certified veterinary surgeon, but we do a fair amount of ACL repairs in my practice.
    The ACL is one of the primary ligaments that add stability to the knee. Basically it prevents the tibia (the bottom bone of the knee joint) from sliding forward like a drawer. When you have instability in a joint, there is pain and things grind together in ways that they shouldn't, which leads to arthritis.
    There are multiple ways to fix torn ACL's in dogs, just like there are multiple ways to fix them in people. The purpose of the surgery is two-fold: remove the torn ligament (which can cause inflammation in the joint, leading to more arthritis), and add stability to the knee.
    Which method is best? Depends on who's book you read and which surgeon you talk to. We do not use the TPLO in our practice. Not that it is a bad procedure, but it is more complicated and we feel it is best left to board-certified surgeons. I will typically recommend a TPLO for a young, large-breed dog that potentially has other orthopedic issues. Since it is a more complicated procedure, the recovery is more involved and takes longer, and the cost is higher.
    In the vast majority of the cases we do, we use what is called extra-capsular stabilization. It involves using very thick, strong suture on the outside of the joint capsule to mimic the structure and support of the ACL. Most of the time we will open the joint capsule and remove the torn ligament, but sometimes (depending on age, severity of injury, if the knee already has arthritis, etc) we do not go into the capsule. Any time you open a joint, you WILL cause arthritis. It's a judgement call, especially on older patients, on when to go in or not.
    Again, I am not second-guessing what your vets are telling you. I can't diagnose via computer. :) But I thought I'd tell you some other potential options so you could know what was out there. If you and your vet decide on any option, medical and/or surgical, and you are comfortable with it, then that is the way to go.
    I hope things go well with Buck. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

    Jeff
    Jefferson, GA
    XL BGE, MM, Things to flip meat over and stuff
    Wife, 3 kids, 5 dogs, 4 cats, 12 chickens, 2 goats, 2 pigs. 
    “Honey, we bought a farm.”
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  • THEBuckeye
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    Thanks, Jeff. Our vet described the suture procedure as well. We hoping to see board certifed surgeon(s) this week for consultations and determine the best option for Buck given his age and overall condition of the joint. I really appreciate the time you took to post. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,231
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    We're heading to the surgeon this morning for a 9AM appointment and consultation.


    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • THEBuckeye
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    Extremely impressed with Dr. Noone at Veterinary Referral Surgical Practice in Roswell, GA. (close to Roswell Hardware) 

    He was patient with his exam, our questions and walking through all our options - including doing nothing.  We're scheduled for PTLO surgery after Labor Day. We could do it sooner but have a trip to San Diego scheduled to see our daughter and new son-in-law over labor Day. Dr. Noon said the damage is done, including a torn meniscus in addition to the CCL (C for Canine a la A(CL) for anterior in a human), so waitingtwo weeks will make no difference. 

    He provided numerous analytical and statistical information with each option. 
    Interestingly, he said neutering both male and females contributes to the CCL problem based on hormonal changes. Dogs that are not neutered do not have CCL issues - short of some other trauma. 

    Given Buck's overall condition and already arthritic front wrist, we believe PTLO is his best option.  If we to do nothing, he'd get "better" as scar tissue builds but arthritis accelerates. So, a bum back leg and a bum front right leg is not a good combination. 

    So, we're looking at 6 weeks post-op of confinement and the collar of shame. 

    Hello Mr. Tito's

    Stay tuned. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • mahenryak
    mahenryak Posts: 1,324
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    Well, do try to enjoy your trip to San Diego.  Family visits are very important, too.  That's an interesting report from the good doctor--especially, the information regarding neutering.  Please, do continue to update us on Buck's progress. 

    LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore



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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 32,776
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    hope it all goes well. in regards to the neutering, a quick google search shows it causes all kinds of problems, tumors, cancer, heart, acl, fear, noise problems, aggression, the list goes on and on
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • THEBuckeye
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    Change of plans. Surgery tomorrow. We decided we didn't want to waste two weeks of rehab plus SHMBO will be traveling more after Labor Day. I'm glad I won't have to do the first week or so alone with Buck. After All, SWMBO is Buck's Mama. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • LetsEat
    LetsEat Posts: 458
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    Best wishes to your family and Buck. Two of our Newfoundlands have had orthopedic procedures. Recuperation is challenging - physically and emotionally.  If faced with the circumstances again we would still do it. Both dogs enjoyed a high quality of life post surgery. 
    IL 
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  • BigAlDaddy
    BigAlDaddy Posts: 36
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    THEBuckeye said:

    Buck is 10-11-12. We're not sure, we rescued him. Came up lame today and we got him to our Vet before their noon closing. We're referred to an Orthopedic specialist for likely surgery next week, 

    He simply walked down a few outside steps, we think. Apparently this is not uncommon based on the normal angle of the knee joint and the wear and tear over time.

    Anybody been through the post surgery rehab for with your best friends? 
    I had a chocolate lab who had the same surgery. She hurt herself on a hunting trip. After surgery and rehab (about 12months) she was back to almost 100%.  Be patient and don't push her. 
    LGBE Marietta, GA
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  • mahenryak
    mahenryak Posts: 1,324
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    THEBuckeye said:
    ...After All, SWMBO is Buck's Mama. 
    I can definitely relate to this statement.  Very true with our little guy, as well. Best of luck with the surgery and recovery!
    LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore



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  • jeffwit
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    @THEBuckeye, how did surgery go?
    Jefferson, GA
    XL BGE, MM, Things to flip meat over and stuff
    Wife, 3 kids, 5 dogs, 4 cats, 12 chickens, 2 goats, 2 pigs. 
    “Honey, we bought a farm.”
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  • THEBuckeye
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    Buck had surgery yesterday. All went well, according to plan. We pick him up at 12:30 this afternoon. Pen and Crate are in place. A "soft" collar of shame is ordered. 

    The overnight Vet called last evening to report that Buck was up, doing ok, and had eaten. The report this morning is that he is not putting any weight on it which is not unexpected but otherwise hanging in there. 

    Buck and I will be watching a LOT of football together as we begin the rehab journey. The first two weeks is all about the incision healing so we'll be laying low and egging often! 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • stemc33
    stemc33 Posts: 3,567
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    I hope Buck's recovery goes well. 
     This thread is a great example of the wonderful people on our forum. 
    Steven
    Mini Max with Woo stone combo, LBGE, iGrill 2, Plate Setter, 
    two cotton pot holders to handle PS
    Banner, Wyoming
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  • LetsEat
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    Good news!  Get your pillow and sleeping bag ready. Buck will want you close -- all of the time. If Buck needs to transverse stairs to get outside consider building a ramp. Looking back it was one of the best accommodations we provided for our Newfoundlands as they recuperated.  
    IL 
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  • Hotch
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    That is great news, glad to hear it.
    Large BGE, MiniMAX BGE, 2 Mini BGE's, R&V Fryer, 36" Blackstone Griddle, Camp Chef Dual Burner 40K BTU Stove
    BGE Chiminea
    Prosper, TX
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  • YukonRon
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    Buck is a pack animal.  You are part of his pack. My golden laid in my lap, for much of her recovery.  We got through it, and it was pretty sweet actually.  I do not know if your vet or surgeon recommends this or not, but mine did. They may no longer suggest this, but, after the surgery healed up, my vet told me to get her swimming. Good exercise, and minimal stress to the repaired injury.
    she loved the trips to the lake. I would carry her from the car, into the lake and let her swim and fetch in the water, and carry her back to the car when she got tired.
    I think it really helped her, and let her do what she was born to do.
    The ride home, she laid on a cushion that allowed her to stick her head out the window and slobber down the side of my car on the way back. 
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • THEBuckeye
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    @YukonRon

    Funny, Buck does not like water......at all. There is a rehab practice attached to the surgeon's practice that has a rehab water treadmill. Dog gets in treadmill, treadmill is filled with water, dogs walks in water, water is then drained and dog gets out. Not sure if we'll go that route ($$$?) but we'll see.  There was a black lab in it the other day and he looked like he was having a ball. 

    Buck is a Mama's boy. We've into our guest room downstairs for the foreseeable future so we'll be right there at night. SWMBO is in full Mama/Nurse mode too! 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • pab
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    All of our dogs are allowed on the furniture. When Leeah came home from surgery she was the only one on the floor and wasn't happy about it. I found out her dog bed was actually pretty comfortable as my wife delegated me to sit on the floor with her =)
    Nerk Ahia LBGE
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  • THEBuckeye
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    Yea, Buck has (had) free reign - bed, couch, etc. 

    He won't be on any furniture for a while. House arrest!

    Just got home. He's not a happy camper being confined. The whining has commenced! 


    New Albany, Ohio 

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  • dmchicago
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    THEBuckeye said:
    @YukonRon

    Funny, Buck does not like water......at all. There is a rehab practice attached to the surgeon's practice that has a rehab water treadmill. Dog gets in treadmill, treadmill is filled with water, dogs walks in water, water is then drained and dog gets out. Not sure if we'll go that route ($$$?) but we'll see.  There was a black lab in it the other day and he looked like he was having a ball. 


    Our lab did this as part of his rehab. We think it helped a lot. Less than an $$G.
    Philly - Kansas City - Houston - Cincinnati - Dallas - Houston - Memphis - Austin - Chicago - Austin

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  • THEBuckeye
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    We learned they go over rehab options at the two week follow up and based on how he's healing. The ballpark quote from the Vet Tech was not at all a deal killer (price of a mini-max) if that's what's called for. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

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