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CVAP Score

WeberWho
WeberWho Posts: 11,562
I came across a warming cabinet last month on Marketplace that was posted around 8-9 PM for $65. I messaged the seller and told him that I'd take it. The cabinet was located about an hour away from me. I didn't want to lose out on the cabinet and I told the seller that I'd be willing to meet him that night if he was interested in moving it right away. The owner mentioned it was in a building he owned but the business was closed and wouldn't be able to meet up until the following day. Which worked better on my end. The owner messaged me with a time and address for the following day. Unfortunately/fortunately the owner never removed the ad on Marketplace. I can't recall at this point if I messaged him or he messaged me the following day. The owner said he forgot to remove the ad for the warming cabinet from the night prior and that he received a $100 offer from someone else the following morning and sold it. I couldn't be mad. He was offered more money than he listed it for and I appreciated him being upfront on the situation. He could have easily stopped replying to my messages or he could have easily made up some other story. He was honest. I appreciate that. Here is the warming cabinet that I was supposed to be picking up. 



I guess it wasn't all bad news. The seller messaged me and says, "I actually have something else for you that you might like. I wasn't going to sell it but I'm in a cleaning mood and wanted to offer this to you since I sold the other one." He sends me a picture of this:



To be completely honest I had no idea what s CVAP machine was at that very moment but it was the perfect size. I told him sold! 

I ended up meeting the owner at the building he owned that afternoon. The building itself was super cool. I was told it's the longest continued bakery in MN dating back to the 1800's. The basement of the building he used for storage. It was what you might imagine a basement might look like from the 1800's. The seller said he picked up the CVAP through his buddy who owned a Chinese restaurant. At some point the handle was removed on the CVAP cabinet. I don't know why the handle was removed or why it wasn't put back on but I was told that they used a bungee cord to keep the door shut. (Possibly used it for catering and the handle stuck out too far for loading/unloading?) The owners buddy told him that corporate came in and said that needs to be replaced. Time is money. Instead of taking the time to order and replace a handle it's just easier to buy a $6K new CVAP machine. His buddy said, "If you leave right now with your truck I'm about to roll the CVAP out next to the dumpster if you can use it in the bakery." He did just that. He said he stored it in the basement with intent to clean it up and use it for the bakery. He said it just ended up getting stored and never got around to using it. I figured it was a cheap enough gamble if it didn't end up working. (He said he plugged it in and it started to warm up.) I took his word. I could still feel the cabinet was warm when we hauled it up the stairs. The seller knew exactly what he had. He even said, "If I had a few hours to clean this thing up I could easily get $1K for it. I unfortunately don't have the time." He wasn't wrong on the price. The cheapest I could find it second hand was $2K and up. I'm glad this never made its way on Marketplace and only came about in a message. That additional $35 he made on the first cabinet I was going to buy would have looked like peanuts for offers he might have received with this one. 

The previous owner probably made the right call with selling it and not having the time to clean it up. It's pretty funny on how deceiving commercial appliances can look when they look, "clean". It's not until you open them up and see what they are truly hiding. I don't even want to admit how many hours I had cleaning up this cabinet. Here's a few pictures of what it was hiding inside the upper housing. 



Here is a quick picture of things after it was cleaned up. 



I did a test run with it last weekend with a couple pork butts. I held them them overnight after pulling from the smoker. I set it for 142 degrees. (CVAP means controlled vapor) I woke up and it was 158 degrees the following morning. I was able to learn a few things. The CVAP has a built in water pan. I only had tested it prior with water in the pan. I decided to try running the cabinet without water with the pork butts.



I learned pretty quick the cabinet needs to run with water in the pan even if you're not using the vapor option. The cabinet has a heating element under the water pan to control the vapor. I shut it off thinking the two side heating elements would control the temperature if not using it for humidity. I can see now how the cabinet would want water in it to hold tighter temperatures. Anytime prior when testing temperatures with water it would hold within a degree or two. Here's a picture of the settings you can use to for different food textures if wanting to use it for humidity. 



Here is a picture of it all cleaned up with a new handle. 



Butts coming off last night for a hold. 



Going into the cabinet for a hold overnight. 



This time with water in the pan I was able to hold the temperature within a couple degrees overnight. I have to admit the last butts a did last weekend were some of the best I've done to date. I'll usually do a couple hours hold before pulling but holding them overnight and let them render really seemed to add a little something special to it. I'm looking forward to using this and resting a packer overnight with it. I'm okay holding off on paying $100+ for a Prime brisket though! 
"The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

Minnesota
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  • nice!!!!!  i always wondered what the magical prime rib machine was at the restaurant in college.  now i know!  congrats
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,164
    Talk about making your own good fortune.  Nice!  He!! of a restoration project but that's your documented standard.  Sweet bark on those butts.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,298
    Good things happen to good people. 
  • MaskedMarvel
    MaskedMarvel Posts: 3,492
    Um. Im going to search on FB marketplace for this. 

    FANTASTIC SCORE!
    Large BGE and Medium BGE
    36" Blackstone - Greensboro!


  • StillH2OEgger
    StillH2OEgger Posts: 3,914
    Wow, quite a rehab. Congrats on the acquisition and bringing it back to previous glory.
    Stillwater, MN
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    nice!!!!!  i always wondered what the magical prime rib machine was at the restaurant in college.  now i know!  congrats
    Hey thanks!
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    lousubcap said:
    Talk about making your own good fortune.  Nice!  He!! of a restoration project but that's your documented standard.  Sweet bark on those butts.  
    Thanks! They build these cabinets over in your neighborhood. Kentucky if I'm not mistaken. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    Good things happen to good people. 

    Right back at you DoubleEgger!
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,925
    edited January 27
    Lucky and good fella scored again!
    Got curious and found this in our FB marketplace, apparently the seller used it for food truck business, retails around $4k. Asking $700. 
    https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1222483675840312/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Abdbb6749-1462-463a-a13f-c67d5922337e
    Edit: use it to hold chili overnight for church competition 😂 
    canuckland
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    Um. Im going to search on FB marketplace for this. 

    FANTASTIC SCORE!

    Thanks! Double check to make sure you have what it takes to run one. I thought I had a dedicated 30 amp breaker and a straight run out into the garage for a warming cabinet I picked up a few years ago but I quickly found out that wasn't the case. It would trip my breaker anytime I'd attempt to start it up. Fortunately it didn't cost me anything out of pocket besides the time it took to clean it up. I'd hate to see something not work on your end. 


    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    Wow, quite a rehab. Congrats on the acquisition and bringing it back to previous glory.
    Much appreciated!
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,881
    That thing is a beast!
    NOLA
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    buzd504 said:
    That thing is a beast!

    This one will be a little more practical compared to the cabinet I picked up a few years ago. It does take up some real estate for the amount it will be used. I plan on selling the bigger warming cabinet this spring and this one will take its place out in the garage. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    Lucky and good fella scored again!
    Got curious and found this in our FB marketplace, apparently the seller used it for food truck business, retails around $4k. Asking $700. 
    https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1222483675840312/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Abdbb6749-1462-463a-a13f-c67d5922337e
    Edit: use it to hold chili overnight for church competition 😂 

    Hey thanks! 

    Hahaha!!! That's funny. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,479
    IMPRESSIVE!!! Never heard of such a thing, so thanks for the education. That cleaning had to be a real task - but it sure came out nice and worth the hours you put into it. As always you show us some great ideas, work arounds, repairs etc etc etc
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,455
    As a commercial baker, I can only imagine the baker using it as a specialty small proofing box. My proofer is 25’x65’ and will hold 72 double racks of product lol
  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    I have a King Arthur proofing box but I never thought about using it to FTC. Awesome thread btw you are inspiring me to bid on a boat anchor meat slicer
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    RRP said:
    IMPRESSIVE!!! Never heard of such a thing, so thanks for the education. That cleaning had to be a real task - but it sure came out nice and worth the hours you put into it. As always you show us some great ideas, work arounds, repairs etc etc etc

    Hey thanks RRP! Cleaning it was terrible. Not so much the dust and dirt but the calcium build up in the water pan after years of use. I stayed away from any chemical cleaner since it was going to be used with food. So it was lots of razor blades and elbow grease. I found my oscillating tool helped with any real hard build up but still took hours on just the water pan. A bunch of messing around with but it should be worth the work. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    ColbyLang said:
    As a commercial baker, I can only imagine the baker using it as a specialty small proofing box. My proofer is 25’x65’ and will hold 72 double racks of product lol
    I never really thought about using it as a proofing box as I'm awful and anything bread related. That is something that I would like to get better at or just to understand it! 

    The previous business used it for holding rice. I'm not sure how much I'll use it for the humidity portion but it does intrigue me though. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    I have a King Arthur proofing box but I never thought about using it to FTC. Awesome thread btw you are inspiring me to bid on a boat anchor meat slicer
    Hey thanks!

    Be very careful if you're purchasing a commercial meat slicer. Make sure everything is in working order and nothing is missing. A broken or missing piece can easily cost more than the slicer itself. (It's insane what they get for new and even used for parts.) Manually turn the blade or close up pictures of the knife. Make sure there are no chips anywhere on the blade. One little chip can ruin a good portion of a new blade. A new blade is pushing $200 and up and that's one of the cheaper parts of a slicer. Take your time and look everything over if you get the chance to look at it in person. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • OhioEgger
    OhioEgger Posts: 999
    What a wonderful story and a really great writeup! Thanks for sharing that.
    Cincinnati, Ohio. Large BGE since 2011. Still learning.
  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    OhioEgger said:
    What a wonderful story and a really great writeup! Thanks for sharing that.

    Thank you OhioEgger!
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    WeberWho said:
    I have a King Arthur proofing box but I never thought about using it to FTC. Awesome thread btw you are inspiring me to bid on a boat anchor meat slicer
    Hey thanks!

    Be very careful if you're purchasing a commercial meat slicer. Make sure everything is in working order and nothing is missing. A broken or missing piece can easily cost more than the slicer itself. (It's insane what they get for new and even used for parts.) Manually turn the blade or close up pictures of the knife. Make sure there are no chips anywhere on the blade. One little chip can ruin a good portion of a new blade. A new blade is pushing $200 and up and that's one of the cheaper parts of a slicer. Take your time and look everything over if you get the chance to look at it in person. 
    Thank you @WeberWho! Solid information, you have given me a lot to consider.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    What about a full blown pizza oven? I could maybe put in the garage… hav you had any experience with those?   They added another week to this auction because nobody was bidding on anything 
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    I know I’d use a pizza oven more than a slicer but swmbo might kill me. Also not sure how long it would take to preheat one 
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    What about a full blown pizza oven? I could maybe put in the garage… hav you had any experience with those?   They added another week to this auction because nobody was bidding on anything 

    I don't want to scare you off from buying a slicer. More just a heads up and what to look for. They are one of those appliances that take up a bunch of real estate for how little they get used but you understand their value after you get done using it. 

    I've never owned a professional pizza oven. That would be some dedication and love for pizza! I could see how one could be super valuable needing to kick out a bunch of pizza for larger groups of people. I only have a Blackstone pizza oven. I owned two Blackstone pizza ovens at the same time for a few minutes but I never really found the need for two. So I sold one of them. I've seen commercial pizza ovens go for super cheap and almost free at times. I'm sure like most things it depends on the size, abuse its seen, the equipment to move it, and what it takes to run it. Two Blackstone pizza ovens were too much for me for what I needed. That's just me though. Your situation might be way different than mine. If you can pick one up cheap it could be a fun toy. Especially if it's pennies on the dollar.  It might be worth messing around with. Half the fun I find is learning something new. Even if it doesn't make any sense. Sometimes you just have to do dumb sh!t in life! You'll look back and laugh one day and wonder what you're thinking and other times you will tell yourself you were glad you tried it. No judgement here!

    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    Thanks for the insight @WeberWho.  Also I appreciate you allowing me to hijack your thread, when I first saw it roll across the main page I thought a CVAP Score was a medical test!   
      With that said, if you don't mind I would like to continue to take liberty with your thread.  To start, there is a somewhat local pizza shop closing and they are auctioning everything off, such as yourself I like commercial kitchen equipment when it is practical and cheap. The stuff is made to last and with a little elbow grease you can get many years of enjoyment out of it.  
     In the WAYBRN thread I was getting resistance trying to get the forum brain trust to talk me into the slicer. My reservations are like you mentioned, counter space, and I probably would only use it several times a year, and its 120 lbs.  For those reasons I am out. I may still buy it and put it on marketplace, the touch pad control looks nice and new so that is all I have to go on condition wise.
     The auction was supposed to close yesterday but the auctioneer sent out a email declaring that due to weather they were going to add another week.  This is very unusual and I think they are using weather as a excuse to get more exposure because many things are going for a few bucks and a lot was not even bid on.
     Which brings me to the pizza oven.  It is a 4 deck oven, two separate units, upper two and lower two.
    I have never been closer to one than the cash register at a pizza joint so naturally I had questions, and as it would turn out they are made right here in Ohio, Peerless! So I called them, Matt was very helpful, I can separate the top from the bottom and run either one individually with the help of a flue kit $125, (they are being auctioned off separately). He confirmed my suspicion that the lower unit probably has less miles on it as he said people generally use the lower oven only when restaurant is very busy. Also they have the kit to change it from natural gas to propane.   I told him my plan to build a rolling table and hook it to a 80# propane tank for use in the garage or driveway, he said they are very robust and can be used outdoors, no electronics, and people use them at festivals and fairs.
     I have already bid the top oven to $100 but now I want the bottom instead lol, hopefully I get outbid and I go for the lower, or just buy them both the lower is at $16 right now.  I think these are $10k oven each new. 

      
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,562
    Thanks for the insight @WeberWho.  Also I appreciate you allowing me to hijack your thread, when I first saw it roll across the main page I thought a CVAP Score was a medical test!   
      With that said, if you don't mind I would like to continue to take liberty with your thread.  To start, there is a somewhat local pizza shop closing and they are auctioning everything off, such as yourself I like commercial kitchen equipment when it is practical and cheap. The stuff is made to last and with a little elbow grease you can get many years of enjoyment out of it.  
     In the WAYBRN thread I was getting resistance trying to get the forum brain trust to talk me into the slicer. My reservations are like you mentioned, counter space, and I probably would only use it several times a year, and its 120 lbs.  For those reasons I am out. I may still buy it and put it on marketplace, the touch pad control looks nice and new so that is all I have to go on condition wise.
     The auction was supposed to close yesterday but the auctioneer sent out a email declaring that due to weather they were going to add another week.  This is very unusual and I think they are using weather as a excuse to get more exposure because many things are going for a few bucks and a lot was not even bid on.
     Which brings me to the pizza oven.  It is a 4 deck oven, two separate units, upper two and lower two.
    I have never been closer to one than the cash register at a pizza joint so naturally I had questions, and as it would turn out they are made right here in Ohio, Peerless! So I called them, Matt was very helpful, I can separate the top from the bottom and run either one individually with the help of a flue kit $125, (they are being auctioned off separately). He confirmed my suspicion that the lower unit probably has less miles on it as he said people generally use the lower oven only when restaurant is very busy. Also they have the kit to change it from natural gas to propane.   I told him my plan to build a rolling table and hook it to a 80# propane tank for use in the garage or driveway, he said they are very robust and can be used outdoors, no electronics, and people use them at festivals and fairs.
     I have already bid the top oven to $100 but now I want the bottom instead lol, hopefully I get outbid and I go for the lower, or just buy them both the lower is at $16 right now.  I think these are $10k oven each new. 

      


    I've picked up a few Berkel and Globe meat slicers over the years. The ones I've picked up are made mainly for smaller delis and home use. They aren't heavy like some of their commercial slicers. Much more portable. It's been a minute since I've picked one up but maybe weigh 25-30 lbs? You still get the quality components on the slicer but can be placed on a shelf and not needed to be wheeled around on a cart. They are much more practical and night and day difference from any big box store Chinese slicers. (The Globe and Berkel slicers are still using components made in Italy) 

    I've followed a few local kitchen auctions over the years and you can get some great deals. Especially when it comes to equipment. Most restaurants will stay away from others used equipment as they can't afford any time down. I'm glad to hear you were able to talk to someone from the company on the phone. That tells you something about the company. It sounds like a fun project for the right price! If you do end up winning both ovens I'm sure you could put one of Craigslist/Marketplace and find a buyer. Especially if they see your set-up. Keep us posted if you end up with one! It would be fun to see. 
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 9,078
    Alright thanks for your help! 
    South of Columbus, Ohio.