Covid update where I live. You?

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

lousubcap said:

The Indy 500 is on the TV- there are 135,000 fans in attendance.  Based on the lack of masks it has to be the highest concentration of vax'd people in the world today!  

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Langner91 said:

lousubcap said:

The Indy 500 is on the TV- there are 135,000 fans in attendance.  Based on the lack of masks it has to be the highest concentration of vax'd people in the world today!  

My company had 14 tickets for the race.  We drew names for them.  We asked each person who entered the lottery to only enter if they were vaccinated.

That's all we can do.  I hope they will be at work on Tuesday.

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

nolaegghead said:

Infrastructure.   It ain’t where all the people be at.

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

Okay the US has hospital ships, corpsmen, helicopters , and tilt rotor long range planes. If requested we could transport vaccine, medical personnel, and vaccine anywhere within 400 miles of the coastline. Local support would have to be translators and a signed agreement freeing all personnel from civil and criminal action. The ships could even refill oxygen tanks though probably a fraction of what is needed.

nolaegghead said:

Maybe "manliness" is synonymous with dumbf*ckery?

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

Okay the US has hospital ships, corpsmen, helicopters , and tilt rotor long range planes. If requested we could transport vaccine, medical personnel, and vaccine anywhere within 400 miles of the coastline. Local support would have to be translators and a signed agreement freeing all personnel from civil and criminal action. The ships could even refill oxygen tanks though probably a fraction of what is needed.

*sigh* Yes. Please deploy all of that. Globally. (I think that's a word).

Let me know how it goes...

As I said they would have to ask and not shoot at our ships, helicopters, and people. As far as globally, 1.4 billion plus our own 330 million plus maybe Mexico and Canada is about as far as the US can reasonably go. The world is a sad place.

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

Okay the US has hospital ships, corpsmen, helicopters , and tilt rotor long range planes. If requested we could transport vaccine, medical personnel, and vaccine anywhere within 400 miles of the coastline. Local support would have to be translators and a signed agreement freeing all personnel from civil and criminal action. The ships could even refill oxygen tanks though probably a fraction of what is needed.

*sigh* Yes. Please deploy all of that. Globally. (I think that's a word).

Let me know how it goes...

As I said they would have to ask and not shoot at our ships, helicopters, and people. As far as globally, 1.4 billion plus our own 330 million plus maybe Mexico and Canada is about as far as the US can reasonably go. The world is a sad place.