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dstearn said:Photo Egg said:Smokeware caps are great. But even with a fresh gasket, it’s still a 2 piece unit, and air will leak between the 2 pieces. This, in combination with you leaving it open a crack, will cause a small draft to be drawn. For a low temp cook, with temp control unit, there is little reason to leave top vent open at all. The fan will push air out of the small air leaks around vent cap.
It’s obvious you are frustrated. True, the FB is not the same as Guru or Stoker. FB does not have a flap or adjustment on fan. Looking at the chart you posted above. You can see that the fan is shutting down to stabilize temp, but temp continues to rise. So yes, there is air continuing to flow through your Egg to allow temp to continue to rise and it takes a little time for it back down. If this extra time really bothers you that much, you can close down your smokeware cap completely. This will greatly help. I close mine completely when using my FB. I also have slower response after I throughly clean my Smokeware cap. After a couple cooks it gunks up a little and I get less air leak and response time is quicker with FB.
Using my Guru or Stoker, I can leave the top vent open a little. FB uses a multi speed fan and will not over stoke a fire. But you also need a tighter air control at top vent to run low temps.
All I can say is it’s great to have choices buddy.
Here’s something to try.
Get you Egg up to and stabilized at 250-300. No plate setter or cooking grate. With your FB in place, toss in something that will cause lots of smoke. Some wood chips or smaller pieces of cardboard. Close the dome and bump your pit temperature up to 400.
With your top vent completely closed, watch and see where the fan pushes the smoke out of your Egg.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas -
dstearn said:Photo Egg said:Smokeware caps are great. But even with a fresh gasket, it’s still a 2 piece unit, and air will leak between the 2 pieces. This, in combination with you leaving it open a crack, will cause a small draft to be drawn. For a low temp cook, with temp control unit, there is little reason to leave top vent open at all. The fan will push air out of the small air leaks around vent cap.
It’s obvious you are frustrated. True, the FB is not the same as Guru or Stoker. FB does not have a flap or adjustment on fan. Looking at the chart you posted above. You can see that the fan is shutting down to stabilize temp, but temp continues to rise. So yes, there is air continuing to flow through your Egg to allow temp to continue to rise and it takes a little time for it back down. If this extra time really bothers you that much, you can close down your smokeware cap completely. This will greatly help. I close mine completely when using my FB. I also have slower response after I throughly clean my Smokeware cap. After a couple cooks it gunks up a little and I get less air leak and response time is quicker with FB.
Using my Guru or Stoker, I can leave the top vent open a little. FB uses a multi speed fan and will not over stoke a fire. But you also need a tighter air control at top vent to run low temps.
All I can say is it’s great to have choices buddy.
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stlcharcoal said:dstearn said:Photo Egg said:Smokeware caps are great. But even with a fresh gasket, it’s still a 2 piece unit, and air will leak between the 2 pieces. This, in combination with you leaving it open a crack, will cause a small draft to be drawn. For a low temp cook, with temp control unit, there is little reason to leave top vent open at all. The fan will push air out of the small air leaks around vent cap.
It’s obvious you are frustrated. True, the FB is not the same as Guru or Stoker. FB does not have a flap or adjustment on fan. Looking at the chart you posted above. You can see that the fan is shutting down to stabilize temp, but temp continues to rise. So yes, there is air continuing to flow through your Egg to allow temp to continue to rise and it takes a little time for it back down. If this extra time really bothers you that much, you can close down your smokeware cap completely. This will greatly help. I close mine completely when using my FB. I also have slower response after I throughly clean my Smokeware cap. After a couple cooks it gunks up a little and I get less air leak and response time is quicker with FB.
Using my Guru or Stoker, I can leave the top vent open a little. FB uses a multi speed fan and will not over stoke a fire. But you also need a tighter air control at top vent to run low temps.
All I can say is it’s great to have choices buddy.
Have you ever called FB and had them remote in or walk you through the sub-menu adjustments?
Using a controller like the Guru, You can still leave the top vent open a little to let a small amount of air and moisture exit the Egg during the whole cook by setting the lower adjustable slider to only 20-25% open. This slows down the natural draft sliding through the fan unit at all times. And doing this does not confuse the unit and it will hold steady temps just like the FB and the multi speed fan.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas -
Just ordered the UltraQ kit. Once I have tested it I will provide feedback.
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Photo Egg said:stlcharcoal said:dstearn said:Photo Egg said:Smokeware caps are great. But even with a fresh gasket, it’s still a 2 piece unit, and air will leak between the 2 pieces. This, in combination with you leaving it open a crack, will cause a small draft to be drawn. For a low temp cook, with temp control unit, there is little reason to leave top vent open at all. The fan will push air out of the small air leaks around vent cap.
It’s obvious you are frustrated. True, the FB is not the same as Guru or Stoker. FB does not have a flap or adjustment on fan. Looking at the chart you posted above. You can see that the fan is shutting down to stabilize temp, but temp continues to rise. So yes, there is air continuing to flow through your Egg to allow temp to continue to rise and it takes a little time for it back down. If this extra time really bothers you that much, you can close down your smokeware cap completely. This will greatly help. I close mine completely when using my FB. I also have slower response after I throughly clean my Smokeware cap. After a couple cooks it gunks up a little and I get less air leak and response time is quicker with FB.
Using my Guru or Stoker, I can leave the top vent open a little. FB uses a multi speed fan and will not over stoke a fire. But you also need a tighter air control at top vent to run low temps.
All I can say is it’s great to have choices buddy.
Have you ever called FB and had them remote in or walk you through the sub-menu adjustments?
Using a controller like the Guru, You can still leave the top vent open a little to let a small amount of air and moisture exit the Egg during the whole cook by setting the lower adjustable slider to only 20-25% open. This slows down the natural draft sliding through the fan unit at all times. And doing this does not confuse the unit and it will hold steady temps just like the FB and the multi speed fan.
Additionally, you can also choke the exhaust. There are people here that run the draft door wide open and just control the exhaust. I've done it, and it works. A damper a fan controller is to limit the airflow from a fixed speed fan (to prevent it from blowing ash everywhere, and overshooting). You don't need it on a variable speed fan.
The FB1 had a flapper door in it to shut off the airflow if the fan wasn't blowing. But fan had to be blowing fast enough to lift the door. All it did was cause problems, so they took it off when they came up with the FB100. Like I said, try a piece of aluminum tape over the fan output and see if you notice the difference.
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stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:stlcharcoal said:dstearn said:Photo Egg said:Smokeware caps are great. But even with a fresh gasket, it’s still a 2 piece unit, and air will leak between the 2 pieces. This, in combination with you leaving it open a crack, will cause a small draft to be drawn. For a low temp cook, with temp control unit, there is little reason to leave top vent open at all. The fan will push air out of the small air leaks around vent cap.
It’s obvious you are frustrated. True, the FB is not the same as Guru or Stoker. FB does not have a flap or adjustment on fan. Looking at the chart you posted above. You can see that the fan is shutting down to stabilize temp, but temp continues to rise. So yes, there is air continuing to flow through your Egg to allow temp to continue to rise and it takes a little time for it back down. If this extra time really bothers you that much, you can close down your smokeware cap completely. This will greatly help. I close mine completely when using my FB. I also have slower response after I throughly clean my Smokeware cap. After a couple cooks it gunks up a little and I get less air leak and response time is quicker with FB.
Using my Guru or Stoker, I can leave the top vent open a little. FB uses a multi speed fan and will not over stoke a fire. But you also need a tighter air control at top vent to run low temps.
All I can say is it’s great to have choices buddy.
Have you ever called FB and had them remote in or walk you through the sub-menu adjustments?
Using a controller like the Guru, You can still leave the top vent open a little to let a small amount of air and moisture exit the Egg during the whole cook by setting the lower adjustable slider to only 20-25% open. This slows down the natural draft sliding through the fan unit at all times. And doing this does not confuse the unit and it will hold steady temps just like the FB and the multi speed fan.
Additionally, you can also choke the exhaust. There are people here that run the draft door wide open and just control the exhaust. I've done it, and it works. A damper a fan controller is to limit the airflow from a fixed speed fan (to prevent it from blowing ash everywhere, and overshooting). You don't need it on a variable speed fan.
The FB1 had a flapper door in it to shut off the airflow if the fan wasn't blowing. But fan had to be blowing fast enough to lift the door. All it did was cause problems, so they took it off when they came up with the FB100. Like I said, try a piece of aluminum tape over the fan output and see if you notice the difference.Point is, it does not take that much air to affect a low and slow. In combination with other air issues it’s enough to cause the above issues. I don’t disagree with what you are saying above, but it doesn’t directly relate to the issues he is having.
Can you run a low and slow and not use a vent cap at all? Of course you can. As long as you have a fairly tight lower Egg, and you are not running a fan type controller.But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas -
Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
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stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
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dstearn said:stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
First, it can slow the natural draft flowing through the fan area while the fan is NOT running. This will allow you to keep top vent open a tiny amount and help compensate for other small air leaks.
Second, regulate the amount of fan air to make the fan more effective on different sized cookers.
Third, allows you to buy/use a larger fan to better run your larger cooker and then scale it down to also use it on your smaller cookers.
I prefer my FB controller over my Guru controllers I have owned in the past. But I’m sure the newer Guru controllers are much improved over the older units I have used. I’m also hearing that the Guru CS is much better than it was in the past.
But I definitely prefer the Guru fan mounts and I like having the advantage of using a vent adjustable slider. It hurts nothing being there, but it’s there if you need it.
My Stoker used a flap to shut down draft. In concept, I liked this the best. It allowed me to run low temps and keep the daisy pedals pretty much wide open. This cut down moisture build up and helped get an easier crust and better skin on chicken. But I did have a few issues with the flap jamming/sticking. But these are just based on my experiences. I have not used the newest models from all the contenders.
Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas -
Photo Egg said:dstearn said:stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
First, it can slow the natural draft flowing through the fan area while the fan is NOT running. This will allow you to keep top vent open a tiny amount and help compensate for other small air leaks.
Second, regulate the amount of fan air to make the fan more effective on different sized cookers.
Third, allows you to buy/use a larger fan to better run your larger cooker and then scale it down to also use it on your smaller cookers.
I prefer my FB controller over my Guru controllers I have owned in the past. But I’m sure the newer Guru controllers are much improved over the older units I have used. I’m also hearing that the Guru CS is much better than it was in the past.
But I definitely prefer the Guru fan mounts and I like having the advantage of using a vent adjustable slider. It hurts nothing being there, but it’s there if you need it.
My Stoker used a flap to shut down draft. In concept, I liked this the best. It allowed me to run low temps and keep the daisy pedals pretty much wide open. This cut down moisture build up and helped get an easier crust and better skin on chicken. But I did have a few issues with the flap jamming/sticking. But these are just based on my experiences. I have not used the newest models from all the contenders.
The new Ultra is easier to set up than the older models and from what I have seen easier than the FB unit. Once you connect via Bluetooth you can easily set up Wi-Fi in the app.
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dstearn said:Photo Egg said:dstearn said:stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
First, it can slow the natural draft flowing through the fan area while the fan is NOT running. This will allow you to keep top vent open a tiny amount and help compensate for other small air leaks.
Second, regulate the amount of fan air to make the fan more effective on different sized cookers.
Third, allows you to buy/use a larger fan to better run your larger cooker and then scale it down to also use it on your smaller cookers.
I prefer my FB controller over my Guru controllers I have owned in the past. But I’m sure the newer Guru controllers are much improved over the older units I have used. I’m also hearing that the Guru CS is much better than it was in the past.
But I definitely prefer the Guru fan mounts and I like having the advantage of using a vent adjustable slider. It hurts nothing being there, but it’s there if you need it.
My Stoker used a flap to shut down draft. In concept, I liked this the best. It allowed me to run low temps and keep the daisy pedals pretty much wide open. This cut down moisture build up and helped get an easier crust and better skin on chicken. But I did have a few issues with the flap jamming/sticking. But these are just based on my experiences. I have not used the newest models from all the contenders.
The new Ultra is easier to set up than the older models and from what I have seen easier than the FB unit. Once you connect via Bluetooth you can easily set up Wi-Fi in the app.Also has similar setup in the application for setting up WiFi from my phone and works with all my Alexa units in my house. There are 5 or 6 really good controllers on the market right now. Mostly personal preference in the end for the best fit. I’m sure you will be very happy with the new Guru.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas -
Photo Egg said:dstearn said:Photo Egg said:dstearn said:stlcharcoal said:Photo Egg said:But when you start adding stamped metal fan adapters on the lower vent that leak plus the natural amount of air that can flow through the fan, you must have a decent seal at base and dome as well as around your cap if you expect to hold low temps at 250 or lower. You must shut it down and trust that the FB WILL push the needed air through the Egg to keep and hold a low and slow cook.
First, it can slow the natural draft flowing through the fan area while the fan is NOT running. This will allow you to keep top vent open a tiny amount and help compensate for other small air leaks.
Second, regulate the amount of fan air to make the fan more effective on different sized cookers.
Third, allows you to buy/use a larger fan to better run your larger cooker and then scale it down to also use it on your smaller cookers.
I prefer my FB controller over my Guru controllers I have owned in the past. But I’m sure the newer Guru controllers are much improved over the older units I have used. I’m also hearing that the Guru CS is much better than it was in the past.
But I definitely prefer the Guru fan mounts and I like having the advantage of using a vent adjustable slider. It hurts nothing being there, but it’s there if you need it.
My Stoker used a flap to shut down draft. In concept, I liked this the best. It allowed me to run low temps and keep the daisy pedals pretty much wide open. This cut down moisture build up and helped get an easier crust and better skin on chicken. But I did have a few issues with the flap jamming/sticking. But these are just based on my experiences. I have not used the newest models from all the contenders.
The new Ultra is easier to set up than the older models and from what I have seen easier than the FB unit. Once you connect via Bluetooth you can easily set up Wi-Fi in the app.Also has similar setup in the application for setting up WiFi from my phone and works with all my Alexa units in my house. There are 5 or 6 really good controllers on the market right now. Mostly personal preference in the end for the best fit. I’m sure you will be very happy with the new Guru. -
I have been using the UltraQ for about a year now and I have to say it is far more reliable than the FB300 (FB was originally purchased to the replace DigiQ for the ability to use wifi) which I then replaced because of the many network issues (loosing connection) on the holidays. I am using the Ultra Q with my DigiQ fan at the recommendation of the folks at BBQ Guru and have had several (all) flawless overnight cooks.
X-Large BGE, DigiQ, ThermaQ (Blue), CyberQ, Joetissirie, UltraQ, (ex.FlameBoss 200)
Highland Village, TX
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H12mike said:I have been using the UltraQ for about a year now and I have to say it is far more reliable than the FB300 (FB was originally purchased to the replace DigiQ for the ability to use wifi) which I then replaced because of the many network issues (loosing connection) on the holidays. I am using the Ultra Q with my DigiQ fan at the recommendation of the folks at BBQ Guru and have had several (all) flawless overnight cooks.
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All these never ending conversations about fans, blowers, dampers, variable speed, cfms, vent settings, etc., etc., etc. It's headache inducing.One word - Smobot.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
HeavyG said:All these never ending conversations about fans, blowers, dampers, variable speed, cfms, vent settings, etc., etc., etc. It's headache inducing.One word - Smobot.
vent open for an overnight cook.
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HeavyG said:All these never ending conversations about fans, blowers, dampers, variable speed, cfms, vent settings, etc., etc., etc. It's headache inducing.One word - Smobot.
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I'll give you $25 for your FB300
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i'd just drop a note to the flameboss folks. been awhile since i talked to them but they were about the nicest people to deal with. i'd ask if that amount of overshoot is expected.
but it wouldn't bother me. i think that plot looks fine. once it hits your requested temp it's holding very stable.
if you're bored, light a small fire in a cold egg and use the controller to bring it up to temp, without opening the egg or making any adjustments at all. i'd be interested to see the curve.Chicago, IL - Large and Small BGE - Weber Gasser and Kettle -
Just tried the UltraQ last night. Posted a review. Very pleased with it thus far. The fan damper made a huge difference in minimizing overshooting the target temp.
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dstearn said:Just tried the UltraQ last night. Posted a review. Very pleased with it thus far. The fan damper made a huge difference in minimizing overshooting the target temp.
@Photo Egg - my understanding is that you can connect directly to the FB when it is in Access Point mode. That's a local connection only. To monitor/control the cook from afar, the FB has to connect to your home wifi.#1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February 2013 • #3 Mini May 2013A happy BGE family in Houston, TX. -
caliking said:dstearn said:Just tried the UltraQ last night. Posted a review. Very pleased with it thus far. The fan damper made a huge difference in minimizing overshooting the target temp.
@Photo Egg - my understanding is that you can connect directly to the FB when it is in Access Point mode. That's a local connection only. To monitor/control the cook from afar, the FB has to connect to your home wifi.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas
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