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Meat purchases during the pandemic...

...do you think there will be a shortage? 
I read one story last week about a Smithfield plant or two shutting down, and then I heard from a friend that chicken may be sparse also.  So far I can pretty much find what I want in Maryland, although the meat shelves are leaner than usual.
Just curious if anyone had credible sources in the meat industry who knew first hand what to expect.

My freezer is already full, but I don't have a chest freezer.  Just two fridges (with freezers up top).  I can certainly squeeze some more steaks and breasts in there, but no room for butts, ribs and briskets. :(  A couple weeks ago I was buying wings at Harris Teeter, they were $10.99 for a 4 or 5 lbs. bag. I needed one...  they were buy 2 get 3 free! :o And I only bought one bag... because damnit! I didn't have space for 5 of them.  Shame.  I know... 


LBGE/Maryland

Comments

  • I think choices at the store will get limited.  In Iowa farmers may have to euthanize their hogs because they have no where to take them.  Other plants have had to slow their processing speeds due to workers staying home.
    So far here in Nebraska our beef plants have remained open, but some have been hit hard by the virus.
    Elkhorn, NE
    1 large egg
    28" Blackstone
    Akorn Jr. 
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    I'm guessing most plants will eventually find that their workforce is hit with the virus and may have to shutdown for a few weeks.
    Can't imagine all plants being closed at once tho so any shortages may be regional and fairly short lived.
    If all my store has is hot dogs for a couple of weeks well then, hot dogs it is!
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • dbCooper
    dbCooper Posts: 2,678
    edited April 2020
    Here in Nebraska we have major processing facilities for beef, chicken and pork.  As @ElkhornHusker mentioned, there have been significant outbreaks in some plants.  Notably at the JBS beef plant in Grand Island, the Tyson Foods beef plant in Lexington and the Tyson Foods beef plant in Dakota City.

    An item of note from the Apr 23 daily coronavirus news briefing by Neb Governor Pete Ricketts: Asked later if he might consider a future order to temporarily close a plant or two, the governor said that "we are working very hard for them to stay open."  "I don't see a scenario to close them," he said.  It's vital to keep food processing open as an important link in the nation's food supply chain, Ricketts said. Blocking that supply of food could lead to "civil unrest," he said.
    Also from the Apr 23 news article in Lincoln Journal-Star newspaper: In the latest figures from the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services, Hall, Dawson and Dakota counties — home to the three packing plants — accounted for half of the state's 2,124 confirmed coronavirus cases.
    So it seems that come he!! or high-water, processing plants in Nebr. will remain open.  Because, civil unrest.
    LBGE, LBGE-PTR, 22" Weber, Coleman 413G
    Great Plains, USA
  • hoosier_egger
    hoosier_egger Posts: 6,808
    I had ordered a whole ribeye from a local grocery store for this past Fridays delivery. Got a message Thursday that they couldn't get their delivery because 3 beef processing plants shut down. 

    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I've been ordering thru Instacart. Shop online, Pay online, tip online, shopper leaves food at my door. They have had to suggest a few alternatives as what I ordered was not available. But not too many items and the replacements suggested were acceptable. I did agree to some frozen chicken breasts that I haven't tried yet so we'll see.

    I never thought I'd say this, but I kinda miss grocery shopping!

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • builderdawg
    builderdawg Posts: 105
    KiterTodd said:
    ...do you think there will be a shortage? 
    I read one story last week about a Smithfield plant or two shutting down, and then I heard from a friend that chicken may be sparse also.  So far I can pretty much find what I want in Maryland, although the meat shelves are leaner than usual.
    Just curious if anyone had credible sources in the meat industry who knew first hand what to expect.

    My freezer is already full, but I don't have a chest freezer.  Just two fridges (with freezers up top).  I can certainly squeeze some more steaks and breasts in there, but no room for butts, ribs and briskets. :(  A couple weeks ago I was buying wings at Harris Teeter, they were $10.99 for a 4 or 5 lbs. bag. I needed one...  they were buy 2 get 3 free! :o And I only bought one bag... because damnit! I didn't have space for 5 of them.  Shame.  I know... 


    My area (north Atlanta suburbs) has experienced rolling shortages throughout the pandemic. Initially the shortages were caused by hoarding, but later through pandemic related supply chain disruptions. Seems to be getting better though. 
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    Around north Georgia we could always go to the source. Gainsville is the poultry capital of the world so there'll be a lot of farmers needing to more their birds. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

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    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • KiterTodd
    KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
    I think choices at the store will get limited.  In Iowa farmers may have to euthanize their hogs because they have no where to take them.  ..
    Wow, that's awful. Why can't they keep them? Have they already been delivered from the farm to the processor (which has no means to keep a herd alive?)  I suppose the supply chain already has young hogs growing up which means no room for everybody.  Answered my own question...

    LBGE/Maryland
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,399
    I'm actually more concerned with future fruit, nut and vegetable supplies, with the recent decision to eliminate green cards (to keep this non-political).  What percentage of our harvesting workforce have green cards?  And how badly will this affect the current planting season?   :|

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • KiterTodd said:
    I think choices at the store will get limited.  In Iowa farmers may have to euthanize their hogs because they have no where to take them.  ..
    Wow, that's awful. Why can't they keep them? Have they already been delivered from the farm to the processor (which has no means to keep a herd alive?)  I suppose the supply chain already has young hogs growing up which means no room for everybody.  Answered my own question...

    Yes you got it, hogs ready for market and new piglets coming in.  For cattle they can reduce their diet to create a longer time line.
    In Delaware some chicken producers had to euthanize their birds for the same reason.

    I work at a chicken processing plant and we are still going strong.  Hope it continues.

    I have a 1/2 of beef coming in June, so I am good until spring.  I also have 4 small processors within an hour drive.  Good idea to have options.

    Nebraska Star Beef ships nationwide their Angus beef.
    Elkhorn, NE
    1 large egg
    28" Blackstone
    Akorn Jr. 
  • Shiff
    Shiff Posts: 1,835
    I was at BJs last week and bought a 16 pound Cryovac Rib Eye.  It was beef from Canada - BJs doesn't usually carry Canadian beef.  It was a little more expensive than it has been, but that is probably the "new normal".
    Large BGE
    Barry, Lancaster, PA
  • lentsboy007
    lentsboy007 Posts: 416
    Chicken is limited . Can’t find winglettes or leg quarters 

    1 Large Egg, Blackstone griddle

    Belgium...........The Netherlands??

  • KiterTodd said:
    I think choices at the store will get limited.  In Iowa farmers may have to euthanize their hogs because they have no where to take them.  ..
    Wow, that's awful. Why can't they keep them? Have they already been delivered from the farm to the processor (which has no means to keep a herd alive?)  I suppose the supply chain already has young hogs growing up which means no room for everybody.  Answered my own question...

    This and Can’t afford to feed them if you can’t sell them. Big pigs eat more than small pigs. If you feed a pig for months more than normal, you aren’t going to be able to get your food costs out of it when you sell it. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • Get to know your local producers and processors. The food is better and better for you anyways
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • Mattman3969
    Mattman3969 Posts: 10,458
    Chicken is limited . Can’t find winglettes or leg quarters 
    It seems that pieced out birds are getting harder to find so I bought 5 whole birds and broke them down.  I’m ok cause that gave me 10 wings and @SciAggie will verify I only need 8.  Lol. 

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    2008 -Large BGE. 2013- Small BGE and 2015 - Mini. Henderson, Ky.
  • ElkhornHusker
    ElkhornHusker Posts: 493
    edited April 2020
    We noticed that COSTCO was selling their seasoned rotisserie chickens in the fresh section.

    Work gave each employee 20 pounds of wings this week
    Elkhorn, NE
    1 large egg
    28" Blackstone
    Akorn Jr. 
  • KiterTodd
    KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
    ...
    Work gave each employee 20 pounds of wings this week
    I heard there was a wing surplus because all the restaurants are closed.  ?

    LBGE/Maryland
  • I love the wings from Costco but I can’t find them at mine anymore. Had them for a little while but zero the last three trips. 
  • bobroo
    bobroo Posts: 143
    At my local grocery store on Saturday I was looking forward to buying some ribs. They had bins full of Smithfield products.

    NO EFFING WAY!
    If it's brown, it's cook'in....If it's black, it's done ---my Grandfather     Medium BGE
  • All veg and beans here for the duration and the backstory has been incredible so far.  

    You can eat my meat.
  • JustBuggin
    JustBuggin Posts: 109
    edited April 2020
    Around here we are seeing the hoarders buy out the meat products in the morning. Oddly , the older folks in the elderly shopping hours are swiping up hundreds of dollars of meat products that will take them months to eat, if not longer.

    Publix seems to be hit and miss but our local butchers seem to be getting product just fine. They are even still running weekly specials. Last week was $1.99/lb pork butts at one.

    We have been more successful finding the meat we want from specific sources. For example,I've been able to get wings from the local wing joint selling groceries through their drive-through but nowhere else, chicken thighs from publix, breasts form BJs and beef at the butcher. Not sure if this is by design or not but at least it is keeping the supply chain going some.
  • Went to COSTCO yesterday and they were wiped out of most things.  Steaks and ground beef was all they had for beef.  No pork.
    Elkhorn, NE
    1 large egg
    28" Blackstone
    Akorn Jr. 
  • hoosier_egger
    hoosier_egger Posts: 6,808
    edited April 2020
    Just got back from the grocery here. I've gotten wings weekly since this all started. Today my luck ran out. No wings, barely any chicken at all and a few pork pieces. Plenty of beef and lamb. Time to hit up the local butcher again and even he has "limit 1" on most items
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,906
    Just did a stop at the local Kroger and the meat and poultry stock was at pre-quarantine levels and selection.  Noticeable improvement in a week's time.  Definitely regional.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Daddyshack
    Daddyshack Posts: 184
    I’ve bought from creekstone farms a couple of times. 
  • This is from the farmer we buy our pigs from. Great guy and a great operation. 

    The Local Food System is the key to a Sustainable Food System. I don’t believe in stirring fear into people in hopes of selling something. But what is being projected by the commercial meat industry in the weeks and months ahead should cause you to stop, research and make a move to finally invest in small, direct to consumer farms around you. 

    THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY

    In the the comments I have posted a link of a rancher talking about the “system” to which cattle are bought and sold in America. He does a great job of walking you through, from beginning to end, how the the process works. So watch the video and what I say below will make more sense to you. In some senses this is how pork, chicken, eggs, and lamb are produced as well. I usually don’t talk about this. Honestly, most around us that are part of the traditional system deem us as kinda crazy. But now more than ever, I think the waters are clearing up and the broken system that was below is being brought to light. 

    I’ve always said, no other business in the country operates the way farmers feel they have to. (I say “feel they have to” on purpose as I will get to that shortly) No restaurant serves you a meal and then at the end of it asks “what will you pay me for that?” No hotel at the end of your stay goes “what was that nights sleep worth to you?” Heck even when selling your products wholesale, you’re in charge of negotiations based on volume used and frequency of purchases. The price can move, but you never have to “settle” on a price that doesn’t fit unless.......there’s just no other way. So that brings us to the Farmer. 

    For forever. Truly. This is how it’s always been, the model laid out in the video has been the way farmers and ranchers operate. Watch the video. I’m not going to write out the system when you can watch it and he explains it well. But what I see in this video is a strong man. He does what he does well. Works his tail off day in and day out to produce a product that has great value. Knowing what all his input costs are, factoring labor (which is probably undervalued because that gets depressing when you see how little you make an hour), fuel, land and lease payments, feed, livestock wellness expenses, the list goes on. Lots and lots of input costs. Yet, knowing all these costs, while every other profession out there has a price charged to ensure a profit over input costs at the end of the day, this doesn’t happen for the farmer. They put in all the work. Incur all the risk of production along with high input costs to then take their product to a market and ask “What will you give me for my work?” Day in and day out. Year after year. Generation after generation. Knowing it’s very rarely in their favor. They do it anyways, expecting a different outcome. This is the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. 

    We saw this from the beginning when we started our farm. Now I know we aren’t a giant farm or ranch. (Whatever floats your boat in what you want to call yourself or business.) But business is business. Numbers are numbers. And as my dad always told me. Numbers don’t lie. People do. And people can manipulate numbers to benefit themselves while screwing you so you better know your numbers so you don’t get lied to or screwed. I saw a system that was controlled by a few corporations.  Corporations that have always been based on profit maximization rather than simply profit. We all have to be profitable. But profit maximization means squeezing every penny out of something no matter the cost which usually means at the expense of others. Since a few control the Kings portion of the pie, the producers have very little say so in how business is done. They don’t even get to bring a chair to the table for negotiations. They simple ask “what piece of the little amount of pie that’s left can we have?” That’s depressing from the get go. That’s no way to do business and honestly why would you want to get in the bed with those corporations when you know this is how they have operated since their existence?  As the man in the video said without really knowing he said it “we are stuck”. And those corporations know that. 

    These crazy times are like none anyone alive today has ever seen. Not just on the national
    level but globally. We’ve seen a change in nearly every aspect of our life that none of us a month ago would have ever believed if you said it was going to happen. “No way!!” But the silver lining in all this, at least a flash of light, is many things that were accepted as ignorance is bliss are now being questioned. When you see the food system around us failing, not because there is a shortage of food, but because the system is so large. Feed lots are having to hold cattle longer than ever because packing plants are shutting down. This trickles down all the way to the local level of everyone’s small towns. Dairies are dumping milk because the DFA doesn’t have anywhere to put it because so many businesses aren’t open. Veggies are being plowed under for the same reasons. Piglets are being put down because pork processors are closing. Yet we worry about a food shortage. That’s not the problem here. Relying on these big corporations and entities to take your product and get them to the end user is putting a lot of power in their hands and as we are seeing now, essentially makes the hard work of farmers useless. This is truly a drawing of a line in the sand. Farmers/ranchers vs the big guys. They need us for product and have tricked us into thinking we need them because there’s no other way to sell our product. Well, the good thing is, we don’t need them. We aren’t stuck. We just have to be innovative. 

    That’s why you are seeing two models in America at work doing exactly the opposite in terms of success and failure. Every farm that has been built on direct to consumer sales has experienced insane growth the last 6 weeks. I mean growth that is only limited by the amount of product you have to sell. We can’t keep up and are expanding as fast as possible to meet the demand. What people are seeing is the difference between efficient vs effective. Our food system at the local level is not near as efficient or precise as the commercial system. But we are highly effective because everything is done in house and we are in control of 100% of our food circle. There’s a lot of moving parts in the commercial food system that many don’t understand just on the processing and distribution side. Food has to travel large distances to get to and from where it’s going and it does it very efficiently when pumping on all cylinders. However, it’s misfiring a lot right now and is down a few cyclinders and it’s evident in the problems we are fixing to face at a much greater scale than we already are. When food is produced, processed and sold all at the local level, to local people all parties involved win. The farmers get to set the prices of their goods based on the input costs they have in it. They then take them to local processors who take that walking product and covert it to packaged goods that are then brought back to the farm and sold to those people that live within our local communities. All money stays right here. There is no disruption in food distribution and for once, the farmer is paid like every other business in America. “A fair deal for a square meal” as we call it. 

    I know lots of producers right now who are hurting really bad because they have always been a part of the system. But right now more than ever my hope is they begin to think outside the box. That they see there is a better way of doing business but this means making some changes and pivoting at a time everyone else in the country has had to pivot. Right now more than ever, people are giving thanks to the farmer and it’s made us feel more proud and purposeful doing what we do day in and day out. It’s made our kids proud to see so many drive to the farm, meet us at deliveries and want to have our meats shipped to them in our great state of Texas. I know many farmers don’t like dealing with people but I can tell you it’s one of the most satisfying parts of what we do. Connecting to the community around you through food. We call this COMMUNITY THROUGH FOOD. 

    Listen, we (farmers) are innovative, gritty, scrappy, hard working, optimistic, and truly the most faith filled profession you will find. We don’t have to settle. We don’t have to be defined as the definition of insanity. We are the backbone of this country, a macro percent of the population who day in and day out feed the masses. Let’s celebrate that. Pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. Wipe that dust and dirt out of our eyes and get back to work doing what we do best. Pushing forward and feeding folks.
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • Sea2Ski
    Sea2Ski Posts: 4,131
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker That is a great letter.  Any chance you have the link. To the video? I think i would like to see it if so. 
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  • Sea2Ski said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker That is a great letter.  Any chance you have the link. To the video? I think i would like to see it if so. 
    Here you go:

    https://youtu.be/CBQ9dLzeY5I
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • The Cen-Tex Smoker
    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    edited April 2020
    Sea2Ski said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker That is a great letter.  Any chance you have the link. To the video? I think i would like to see it if so. 
    Here you go:

    https://youtu.be/CBQ9dLzeY5I
    Interesting watch if you are a meat nerd. He’s a little off with how the retail consumer goods market works but he has a lot of insight into the cattle market. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,906
    I'm not a meat nerd but I did watch.  I was exposed to enough to know that before I offer any comments I need to do more homework.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.