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OT: Drunk Drivers
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@GATraveller..thanks bud. I am not trying to make generalizations. As you stated was pointing out one particular instance..
@Legume..wasnt even remotely saying it happened because he was an illegal. Just stating what happened and what the outcome was. -
Well he : won’t keep any of the money, cannot drink or drive, cannot get laid unless he has a different bent, cannot vote, cannot quit work or go on vacation, will probably have a mentally boring and physically taxing job, will have to wear prison clothes at all times.Zippylip said:Gulfcoastguy said:
I would rather that he be jailed. While jailed he be dropped of at a job every day and picked up every evening. His income to be forfeited to pay for his jail costs and the damage that he has done. Why should he get the easy way out?TEXASBGE2018 said:
Straight to firing squad then as far as I'm concerned.Gulfcoastguy said:He started to run off but the truck wouldn’t go.So he wakes up every day, eats breakfast, goes to work taking a job someone that isn't a criminal could use then gets his free ride back to jail (home) every night for dinner & bedtime, sounds a little too much like normal life to me, I think @TEXASBGE2018 had it right
I actually had one of those four time DUI prisoners working for me for a year in the early 90’s. Near his release I sat him down and explained what I could have paid him and the benefits available. He didn’t learn his lesson but he was friendly to the budget and more importantly wasn’t driving drunk. -
The takeaway should be that the immigration status of the driver just isn't germane to the incident.GATraveller said:My bad. I thought @Legume was saying that, statistically speaking, crimes committed by illegal immigrants were down and @DuckDogDr was fueling a misconception with his verbiage.
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That’s a bingo!HeavyG said:
The takeaway should be that the immigration status of the driver just isn't germane to the incident.GATraveller said:My bad. I thought @Legume was saying that, statistically speaking, crimes committed by illegal immigrants were down and @DuckDogDr was fueling a misconception with his verbiage."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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We should probably all be banned for this thread.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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yes, being an illegal and being a drunk driver are separate crimes, both should be dealt withHeavyG said:
The takeaway should be that the immigration status of the driver just isn't germane to the incident.GATraveller said:My bad. I thought @Legume was saying that, statistically speaking, crimes committed by illegal immigrants were down and @DuckDogDr was fueling a misconception with his verbiage.
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Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.______________________________________________I love lamp..
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Dunning and Kruger were hacks!
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You seem to provide ample empirical evidence supporting their theories, keep being you.GATraveller said:Dunning and Kruger were hacks!______________________________________________I love lamp.. -
nolaegghead said:
You seem to provide ample empirical evidence supporting their theories, keep being you.GATraveller said:Dunning and Kruger were hacks!
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."
-Umberto Eco
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Fellas, Fellas, Fellas, Its only Tuesday. Give this one a few more days before you get it sunk. It's been informative, mostly.
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"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."
-Umberto Eco
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You know what? Carry on, I'm enjoying the laughs.
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"The Germans ain't got nothin' to do with this!!!"HeavyG said:
The takeaway should be that the immigration status of the driver just isn't germane to the incident.GATraveller said:My bad. I thought @Legume was saying that, statistically speaking, crimes committed by illegal immigrants were down and @DuckDogDr was fueling a misconception with his verbiage. -
nolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
HeavyG said:nolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."
-Umberto Eco
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In most cases, swimming contributes less as a cause for drowning than not swimming. If only more people could swim.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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nolaegghead said:
You seem to provide ample empirical evidence supporting their theories, keep being you.GATraveller said:Dunning and Kruger were hacks!
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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You and I are talking about different things. A turn around immediately before the checkpoint is Reasonable Suspicion. If I am understanding you, a turn around a 1/4 of a mile down the road, at least in my jurisdiction, is not.stlcharcoal said:
So how are you assuming that over the fact that they needed gas, went the wrong way, decided to hit the grocery store, or any of the other million reasons they could turn around? How are you assuming they knew about it.....maybe they're from out of town? I don't get how turning around PRIOR to a checkpoint (not in the checkpoint), and not making a traffic violation when doing so, automatically gives you RAS. If you follow the guy for a while and see them swerve, drive too slow or fast, that's another story. But refusing to participate is not grounds for it INSIDE the checkpoint either.Battleborn said:
To address the legality of pulling over someone over that turns off from a checkpoint. It is perfectly legal to make the stop you described. It is a Reasonable Suspicion stop.stlcharcoal said:
Unannounced....fine. But how is it legal to stop someone who turns around (so long as they do not commit a traffic violation in doing so?) Its just like an officer claiming they have the right to search your car if you refuse a search.....plenty of case law says refusing to surrender your rights is not RAS nor grounds for a warrant.alaskanassasin said:They were unannounced in Raleigh, they snagged anyone turning around etc. They also had a bus on site with a magistrate.
The local guys told me the same thing.....if we see anybody get off at the Shell station prior to the checkpoint, we just pull them over anyway. Not legal.
There used to be "safety checks" over in IL.....East St. Louis specifically. They would set up checkpoints and check peoples licenses, insurance, and registration. If you were white or have out of state plates, they'd wave you right through. But otherwise you'd be stopped. They issued a ton of tickets since it was a poor neighborhood and people didnt know their rights. Never saw a single one of those in the nicer areas in the 24 yrs I lived in IL.
Reasonable suspicion is defined as when the facts or circumstances would lead a reasonable person to believe that a crime has been, is being our about to be committed. This is also known as a Terry stop. Case law upheld in Terry v. Ohio.
In this checkpoint scenario, if a checkpoint is well announced and a driver decides to turn out right before the checkpoint, it can be reasonably assumed that they are avoiding the checkpoint because they may be impaired. Once it is determined that the driver is not impaired, they must be let go because the RS for the stop had been satisfied.
When you stop that car after they turn around, or even in the checkpoint, do you inform them that they are NOT being detained? If I roll down my window an inch, tell you I am not participating in this, and ask am I free to go, do you let the person go or continue to question them? Similar scenario - someone walking down the street open carrying a firearm in my state, the police CANNOT stop and question that person for their ID or anything else. Carrying a firearm is not illegal and should not draw suspicion just because someone doesn't like it--there so much abuse of this, that the state had to pass a law saying that carrying a firearm doesn't give a peace officer RAS. So.....
My whole point of this is that Terry v Ohio is something very useful to you guys.....it's been around MANY years and has even been expanded on instead of limited. But if the police keep taking liberties on this, you *will* eventually piss off the wrong guy who will run this through the system. If it's the right case for the ACLU, or other organization to latch onto, it will get very high in the court system. You may see your very useful Terry stop/frisk go away. I would prefer to see you guys use your fine police skills and education as a basis for stopping people vs. just stopping EVERYONE in a checkpoint like a bunch of untrained vigilantes.
I cannot speak to how they do things where you live. As you know, different states, counties and municipalities have different laws and ways of administering them. But here, in Nevada, what makes a checkpoint legal is checking everyone that comes through the checkpoint. That includes the mass transit bus that went through 20 minutes ago and the guy in a police cruiser.
Once again, I can only speak specifically about how this are done here. But I also think you are miss understanding Terry. Terry is NOT stop and frisk, stop and frisk is wrong and has been deemed so. There must be articulatable suspicion in order to detain someone. A frisk is also not a search. But once again, there must be articulatable reason to conduct a frisk.
I won't take up anymore space on this thread, but feel free to DM me and I would be more than happy to answer your questions the best way I can.Las Vegas, NV -
solved this climate change thing this weekend, takes 8 hours in my freezer to make an ice cube, 20 minutes in my margarita to melt one...there you gonolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.
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Sounds like you need to start making your ice cubes outside.fishlessman said:
solved this climate change thing this weekend, takes 8 hours in my freezer to make an ice cube, 20 minutes in my margarita to melt one...there you gonolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.Large and Small BGECentral, IL -
He tried that but the "yellow" ice didn't always taste good....saluki2007 said:
Sounds like you need to start making your ice cubes outside.fishlessman said:
solved this climate change thing this weekend, takes 8 hours in my freezer to make an ice cube, 20 minutes in my margarita to melt one...there you gonolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.
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saluki2007 said:
Sounds like you need to start making your ice cubes outside.fishlessman said:
solved this climate change thing this weekend, takes 8 hours in my freezer to make an ice cube, 20 minutes in my margarita to melt one...there you gonolaegghead said:Impaired driving is dangerous and a scourge on society -- I don't think anyone would disagree. Many reasons people are impaired, or incompetent, or at risk and all these reasons make it less safe, and everyone has accidents and should be able to cover their liability.That said, in light of the political climate of nationalist fury, I think we need to keep this terrible problem in context of what it is, lest people hop, skip and jump to the wrong conclusion. How do we fix this?The Dunning-Kruger effect runs rampant on forums and in social media as it is a reflection of the spectrum of people and their experience. Maybe the best thing to do is not argue, but point out confidence in opinion should be weighed by knowledge and experience.I'm not, for example, a climatologist. I have little confidence in my analytical ability to interpret meteorological data. Therefore I defer to those with education and experience in that subject, while others will defer to populists and conspiracy.you drill an ice bowl, fill it with margaritas
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Fortunately, I never posted on it, yay!Legume said:We should probably all be banned for this thread.
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Sh*t.
“All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.”
- Mark Twain
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you can fix anything...'xept stupidity..
Glad everything is Alright..Hopefully the Pruis owners have uninsured coverage..car is a car...if my kid had been in the back seat, id have to answer to the higher power for what happened to the guy in the 4-door truck..
I'd offer him a early release from jail.
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Well my nephew has a concealed carry permit and usually has a Glock 23 40 caliber on hand.
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