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First brisket

Long time lurker here.  I've been cooking on the BGE for years and years but never made a brisket.  Had never had real, good brisket before, which was main obstacle to taking the plunge myself.  Last fall, my wife and I went on a 36-hour pilgrimage to Austin with some friends from Dallas so I could see what it was all about.  Given the short trip, we skipped Franklin, but loved Micklethwait and Valentina's, and La Barbecue was also very good.  Yesterday was finally the day to try it myself.  Thanks to everyone here for all the helpful posts along the way.

Bought a 16.8 lbs prime packer at Costco.  They were all huge there.  Trimmed a few pounds off.  Rubbed with S&P and a bit of garlic pepper.  Started it shortly after 5:00 AM, cooked for about 13 hours around 250, then let it rest an hour.  Used Rockwood lump, a few hickory chunks, and a bunch of pecan chips.  Wrapped in butcher paper for the last 3 or 4 hours and let BGE temperature get around 300 at the end.  Was on an inverted v-rack until I wrapped.  Spritzed with mix of water and apple cider vinegar a few times.  Took much longer than expected for bark to start forming.  Also chased temperatures all day, jumped over 300 for a bit in middle of cook, and then was sitting in lower 200s for a longer time after that.  That high temp period in the middle may have melted off too much surface fat which in turn limited the bark.  This was also my first cook with the Smokeware cap, which I liked, but need to dial it in better.

Was very pleased with the outcome overall - about as good as I could reasonably expect for the first one.  Not as much bark as I was expecting, especially not enough of the sticky stuff.  Hopefully will fix that by trimming better next time.  The flat did well on the pull test, but it probably could have used another 30-45 minutes to be totally probe-tender.  The point had been very tender for a long time by the time it came off, and I didn't want to screw it up by giving the flat any more time.  The point on this one was huge and I left it towards back of BGE until last hour or two.  Next time I will probably try to keep a better eye on internal temp and rotate the flat to the back for a while in middle of cook.  Next time will use less salt in the rub.

Which leads to a question.  All of the packers at Costco had huge points like this one.  I thought it ended up being too big, which along with not having even enough cooking, gave some of it more of a pot roast taste than I expected.  Does anyone have a rule of thumb for thickness of the point for best results?

Brisket still won't be a common cook - those are ribs, bbq, and wings, this is North Carolina after all - but now I know it can be done and done right.  Next cook will have to be beef ribs, which was what really blew me away at Micklethwait and La Barbecue in Austin.

Here are some pictures.






This was also the first cook on a new deck that was just finished.  Had an overhead flood light put in over the grills, made it a lot easier to get started before sunrise in 15 degree weather.










See what I mean - the point was huge.


Part of a slice from the point.

Thanks again to everyone for all the great information and inspiration posted here.
LSG 20x42 offset, LBGE, 36" BS griddle, and more.  Piedmont Triad, North Carolina.

Comments

  • jeffc5227
    jeffc5227 Posts: 131
    Solid work. I love the smoke ring.
  • Slippy
    Slippy Posts: 214
    Looks pretty darn good, especially for the first try.... As far as Costco briskets go, you kind of have to luck out. For me, the sweet spot for a brisket is 12-14 lbs. Those are not easy to come by at Costco though. Either they go first, or they don't get a lot in, but when I find them, they are usually pretty darn good.... If they don't have one under 15 lbs, I'll just go to a local butcher. 
    Rockwall, TX  •  LBGE, Big Hat Ranger offset smoker, Really old 22" Weber Kettle, Pile of Pecan and Post Oak... 
  • JRWhitee
    JRWhitee Posts: 5,678
    That looks great, btw you won't screw up the point by letting the flat probe tender. I have cooked dozens of briskets and I always pull when the thickest part of the flat is tender. Also, the egg fluctuating between the low 200's and 300 is fine. I wouldn't chase the temperature as you will never catch it. It usually takes 30 minutes or longer to settle after an adjustment. 
                                                                
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    Large BGE 2006, Mini Max 2014, 36" Blackstone, Anova Sous Vide
    Green Man Group 
    Johns Creek, Georgia
  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,227
    That looks outstanding.  I don't know what to tell you about the size of the point.  Most people like the point much better than the flat and so most wouldn't see this as a problem.

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • I wish my first brisket cook looked that good!  I think it looks great.  Good work and welcome to the forum.  I also agree with @Slippy I like to dig around for the 12-14 lbs one when I can find them.
    XL BGE, CGS AR & spider, 36" SS Blackstone, SMOBOT - Flower Mound, TX
  • pasoegg
    pasoegg Posts: 449
    way to get after it given it was COLD here yesterday.  Looks outstanding to me and wish I had come by for a slice or nine....Congratulations!!!

    "it is never too early to drink, but it may be too early to be seen drinking"

    Winston-Salem, NC

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,803
    Way to bring it home.  Great cook and result right there.  Nailed it and got a solid ring as well.  Congrats. 
    Regarding the point-pay no attention to it during the cook.  The high fat content self-protects it while waiting for the flat to declare victory. FWIW-

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Jstroke
    Jstroke Posts: 2,605
    Ahh—the brisket gods have smiled down upon thee. Congrats on coming out of he gate strong. Well done. 
    Columbus, Ohio--A Gasser filled with Matchlight and an Ugly Drum.
  • nealcr1
    nealcr1 Posts: 198
    Did the nuggets you trimmed off that were on the rack turn out to be a good snack?
    Mini Max, Medium BGE, Large BGE, Lodge Cast Iron Sportsman, Digi Q II, Woo 2, AR with Oval setup
  • johnmitchell
    johnmitchell Posts: 7,365
    Congrats looks like a winner, Love the upside down roast basket idea..
    Greensboro North Carolina
    When in doubt Accelerate....
  • ewyllins
    ewyllins Posts: 461
    Way better then my first. As everyone has said the point is along for the ride.
    O-Town, FL

  • Stever
    Stever Posts: 11

    Congrats!  Looks really good!  Did you use a meat thermometer the entire time?  My problem is the flat cooks quicker than the point and the flat is dry. 

    Does anyone have the same problem? 

  • Stever
    Stever Posts: 11
    Also, I wrapped in foil and poured a marinade inside the foil.  Does butcher paper work better? 
  • saluki2007
    saluki2007 Posts: 6,354
    Stever said:

    Congrats!  Looks really good!  Did you use a meat thermometer the entire time?  My problem is the flat cooks quicker than the point and the flat is dry. 

    Does anyone have the same problem? 

    I'm not saying you are wrong, but I find it odd that your flat finishes before the point.  Just because the flat is dry doesn't mean it's over cooked.  Do you pull the brisket based on temp or feel?

    As far as paper vs foil...if you are going to pour a marinade in the wrapping (by the way you are losing your bark when you do this) paper will not work as well.  People use paper to help push the brisket to the finish with out compromising the bark too much.
    Large and Small BGE
    Central, IL

  • nealcr1 said:
    Did the nuggets you trimmed off that were on the rack turn out to be a good snack?
    Not really.  Took them off about 1/3 and 1/2 way through the cook to see what the texture was like at different temps.  First one was too early and got a nice jaw workout.  Second one was closer but not there yet.  Should have just cut them up and made some quickie burnt ends for an appetizer.  Will do that next time with larger trimmings.
    LSG 20x42 offset, LBGE, 36" BS griddle, and more.  Piedmont Triad, North Carolina.
  • Stever said:

    Congrats!  Looks really good!  Did you use a meat thermometer the entire time?  My problem is the flat cooks quicker than the point and the flat is dry. 

    Does anyone have the same problem? 

    No, didn't use the Maverick for this cook, just probed on occasion along the way to figure out when was a good time to wrap it and then when it probed tender.  Tried to follow Franklin's bark color / jiggle / probe tender tests for when it was done, and not get too caught up in internal temperature.

    The flat vs. point thing was my mental hurdle.  The point probed tender about 1.5 or 2 hours before I took it off, and still could have given the flat some more time.  Hard to accept that the point can handle that much more heat - but I guess it can, especially since whole thing was wrapped by then.  They always say the front of egg is cooler than back of egg, so I had the flat in front and point in back.
    LSG 20x42 offset, LBGE, 36" BS griddle, and more.  Piedmont Triad, North Carolina.
  • Stever
    Stever Posts: 11
    Stever said:

    Congrats!  Looks really good!  Did you use a meat thermometer the entire time?  My problem is the flat cooks quicker than the point and the flat is dry. 

    Does anyone have the same problem? 

    I'm not saying you are wrong, but I find it odd that your flat finishes before the point.  Just because the flat is dry doesn't mean it's over cooked.  Do you pull the brisket based on temp or feel?

    As far as paper vs foil...if you are going to pour a marinade in the wrapping (by the way you are losing your bark when you do this) paper will not work as well.  People use paper to help push the brisket to the finish with out compromising the bark too much.


    Thanks for the pointers :)  Truly appreciated.  I went by temperature when I pulled the meat.  I had 2 thermometers in the brisket the entire time with the reading via blue tooth on my phone.  My thought was the flat was dry due to the thickness of the meat compared to the point.  Thoughts?

    Next time I'll try butcher paper with no marinade.  I like to have the bark on the brisket. 

    Thanks again for the help. 

  • saluki2007
    saluki2007 Posts: 6,354
    Stever said:
    Stever said:

    Congrats!  Looks really good!  Did you use a meat thermometer the entire time?  My problem is the flat cooks quicker than the point and the flat is dry. 

    Does anyone have the same problem? 

    I'm not saying you are wrong, but I find it odd that your flat finishes before the point.  Just because the flat is dry doesn't mean it's over cooked.  Do you pull the brisket based on temp or feel?

    As far as paper vs foil...if you are going to pour a marinade in the wrapping (by the way you are losing your bark when you do this) paper will not work as well.  People use paper to help push the brisket to the finish with out compromising the bark too much.


    Thanks for the pointers :)  Truly appreciated.  I went by temperature when I pulled the meat.  I had 2 thermometers in the brisket the entire time with the reading via blue tooth on my phone.  My thought was the flat was dry due to the thickness of the meat compared to the point.  Thoughts?

    Next time I'll try butcher paper with no marinade.  I like to have the bark on the brisket. 

    Thanks again for the help. 

    Hard to say not being there and seeing/trying it for myself, but I would say that the flat wasn't quit done yet based on how you described it.  When I do briskets I pretty much ignore the point during the cooking process.  When the flat is probing like butter in the thickest part its done.  If you are having trouble getting over "the point will be dry or ruined", think about this.  People cook briskets for 15+ hours to finish and then cut the point off to make burnt ends and it cooks another 4+ hours.  
    Large and Small BGE
    Central, IL

  • Nice Job!! Btw eggs keep moisture in VERY well   you dont need to spritz NEAR as much as a traditional smoker. I've even experimented smoking fat side up, and I trim nearly 75% of the fat OFF.  Plenty of moisture, pull when probe is tender (sometimes as early as 185/190 degrees) but the bark is WAY better..
    Dallas Texas.
    2 x XLBGE 1 x LBGE.
    Tech:  EggGenius and Thermoworks Smoke w Gateway
    Lump: Rockwood/Fogo
    Wood: Cherry, Apple, PostOak, Pecan
    Meat: Costco, Deep Cuts
    Rubs: Meat Church, HardcoreCarnivore, John Henry's