OT - Another Shooting. Sad.

dmchicago · February 2018

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/7/1/10-reasons-to-own-an-ar-15/

"Owning an AR-15 is as uniquely American as baseball, apple pie and the Second Amendment. It’s a classic example of American exceptionalism, independence and ingenuity—all the things that make us the land of the free and home of the brave."

Sorry dead kids....

Hans61 · February 2018

Spaightlabs · February 2018

Apparently there is no limit to people's tolerance for sacrificing their own children on the altar of the NRA.

milesvdustin · February 2018

Why do we have to inject politics into every debate around here?

In the interest of full disclosure, i do own guns. And a bow for deer. I just think that politics after a tragedy is wrong. We need to work together for a solution, not sling mud.

jabam · February 2018

Spaightlabs said:

Apparently there is no limit to people's tolerance for sacrificing their own children on the altar of the NRA.

Intelligent and thoughtful....SMH slowly!

Sardonicus · February 2018

"slowly" is a good idea.
There's been enough carnage today.

Spaightlabs · February 2018

milesvdustin said:

Why do we have to inject politics into every debate around here?

In the interest of full disclosure, i do own guns. And a bow for deer. I just think that politics after a tragedy is wrong. We need to work together for a solution, not sling mud.

I too own guns, but am disgusted that we continue to allow the most defenseless amongst us to be murdered while doing nothing but hoping and praying.

We have a rather high frequency of mass shootings so if it isn't talked about in the wake of the event, it will not be talked about. And in the wake of the tragedy is exactly the right time to talk about it - every one of these events serves only to increase the populace's insensitivity to them.

dmchicago · February 2018

milesvdustin said:

Why do we have to inject politics into every debate around here?

In the interest of full disclosure, i do own guns. And a bow for deer. I just think that politics after a tragedy is wrong. We need to work together for a solution, not sling mud.

But the NRA never thinks it's a good time to discuss responsible gun control.

I'm a liberal. (Shocker!) But I have zero issue with responsible gun ownership. My brothers and brothers-in-law are all gun owners.

But there is no legitimate reason for ownership of an AR-15.

And, as stated above, mental health treatment is just as important as responsible gun control, IMHO.

HeavyG · February 2018

Spaightlabs said:

Apparently there is no limit to people's tolerance for sacrificing their own children on the altar of the NRA.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5017260/uploads/editor/fu/dawtxgmw0og1.png

The NRA certainly has been doing a lot of scaremongering in recent years and I guess that contributes to a spreading attitude that mass shooting casualties are just "acceptable losses" because other issues are of greater importance.

EGGjlmh · February 2018

HeavyG said:

Spaightlabs said:

Apparently there is no limit to people's tolerance for sacrificing their own children on the altar of the NRA.

The NRA certainly has been doing a lot of scaremongering in recent years and I guess that contributes to a spreading attitude that mass shooting casualties are just "acceptable losses" because other issues are of greater importance.

'Murica!(as you would say)

bucky925 · February 2018

dmchicago said:

milesvdustin said:

Why do we have to inject politics into every debate around here?

In the interest of full disclosure, i do own guns. And a bow for deer. I just think that politics after a tragedy is wrong. We need to work together for a solution, not sling mud.

But the NRA never thinks it's a good time to discuss responsible gun control.

I'm a liberal. (Shocker!) But I have zero issue with responsible gun ownership. My brothers and brothers-in-law are all gun owners.

But there is no legitimate reason for ownership of an AR-15.

And, as stated above, mental health treatment is just as important as responsible gun control, IMHO.

Chicago? Shocker!

dmchicago · February 2018

bucky925 said:

dmchicago said:

milesvdustin said:

Why do we have to inject politics into every debate around here?

In the interest of full disclosure, i do own guns. And a bow for deer. I just think that politics after a tragedy is wrong. We need to work together for a solution, not sling mud.

But the NRA never thinks it's a good time to discuss responsible gun control.

I'm a liberal. (Shocker!) But I have zero issue with responsible gun ownership. My brothers and brothers-in-law are all gun owners.

But there is no legitimate reason for ownership of an AR-15.

And, as stated above, mental health treatment is just as important as responsible gun control, IMHO.

Chicago? Shocker!

I live in Austin, TX. Keep up.

bucky925 · February 2018

I'm slow just read the sigline. Not a apology just saying.

dmchicago · February 2018

bucky925 said:

I'm slow just read the sigline. Not a apology just saying.

No worries.

for the record, Chicago is an f'd up city and no doubt it's history of political leadership has a lot to do with it. That's one of the reasons we came back to Texas. I didn't live in Chicago because it was a liberal city...it was all about career and financial advancement. Worked out very well.

bucky925 · February 2018

Long story short. Did a few weeks in Chicago with the railroad trying to get a shop up and running. Now keep in mind we were not in the best part of town to say the least. The FRA actually gave a waiver not to stop trains at certain places because the containers would be striped in minutes. That being said there may be really nice parts of the city, but I NEVER want to step foot there again!

bgebrent · February 2018

Hans61 said:

HeavyG said:

milesvdustin said:

Saying **** like ‘Murica after a tragedy like this is ridiculous. 1st amendment free speech and all I get it but for fucks sake some **** just shot a bunch of kids.

No...what's ridiculous is that only in 'Murica are mass shooting and school shooting events a commonplace.

These shootings are no longer a shock to anyone, and we all just acquiesce.

There is no acquiescence. The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

dmchicago · February 2018

bgebrent said:

The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

HUH?

bucky925 · February 2018

bgebrent said:

Hans61 said:

HeavyG said:

milesvdustin said:

Saying **** like ‘Murica after a tragedy like this is ridiculous. 1st amendment free speech and all I get it but for fucks sake some **** just shot a bunch of kids.

No...what's ridiculous is that only in 'Murica are mass shooting and school shooting events a commonplace.

These shootings are no longer a shock to anyone, and we all just acquiesce.

There is no acquiescence. The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

Mrs. Bucky and I were just talking about the fights at our school back in the '70's. A lot of pushing and shoving, maybe just maybe two punches thrown and a bloody nose. We, well most had guns in our pickup trucks (rednecks) and everyone had knives. There was never a thought about introducing either in the fight! MORALS have left us. Not any religion per say but just plain old morals.

bgebrent · February 2018

dmchicago said:

bgebrent said:

The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

HUH?

You have a gun control over arching plan that can prevent this? All ears brother.

dmchicago · February 2018

bgebrent said:

dmchicago said:

bgebrent said:

The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

HUH?

You have a gun control over arching plan that can prevent this? All ears brother.

No. I just don't understand the sentence. Brother.

Sardonicus · February 2018

bgebrent said:

dmchicago said:

bgebrent said:

The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

HUH?

You have a gun control over arching plan that can prevent this? All ears brother.

PMFJI, but we all know that there is no such thing. That doesn't mean we should discard small steps.
Ya gotta eat the elephant one bite at a time.

Sardonicus · February 2018

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

DMW · February 2018

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas disaster opened our eyes to the bump stock loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yeah, that outrage lasted for at least a week or so...

g8golfer · February 2018

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they would have been illegal it would have taken him 5 minutes to kill everyone instead of 4 minutes.

g8golfer · February 2018

I agree 100% AR15 should be illegal and all assault type guns but this kid had a plan. He could have easily killed with a pistol or a shotgun. I do see both sides of the argument.

dmchicago · February 2018

g8golfer said:

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they would have been illegal it would have taken him 5 minutes to kill everyone instead of 4 minutes.

So go ask the families of the people that died between minute 4 and minute 5 how they feel about bump stocks.

And, serious question, are you an NRA member?

g8golfer · February 2018

dmchicago said:

g8golfer said:

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they would have been illegal it would have taken him 5 minutes to kill everyone instead of 4 minutes.

So go ask the families of the people that died between minute 4 and minute 5 how they feel about bump stocks.

And, serious question, are you an NRA member?

Nope. NRA has 0 to do with my overview of this. Like I just said before if you read above assault type guns should be banned. NRA wouldn’t approve of me saying that.

bgebrent · February 2018

It's a mental health issue at the end of the day. So sad. Totally disagree that Ar-15's should be illegal. And if you differ it's too late. Looks like metal detectors will become part and parcel to going to school.

Hans61 · February 2018

bgebrent said:

Hans61 said:

HeavyG said:

milesvdustin said:

Saying **** like ‘Murica after a tragedy like this is ridiculous. 1st amendment free speech and all I get it but for fucks sake some **** just shot a bunch of kids.

No...what's ridiculous is that only in 'Murica are mass shooting and school shooting events a commonplace.

These shootings are no longer a shock to anyone, and we all just acquiesce.

There is no acquiescence. The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

Definition of acquiescence, accept something reluctantly but without protest.

I guess I was only 2/3 correct, we do have protest

dmchicago · February 2018

g8golfer said:

dmchicago said:

g8golfer said:

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they would have been illegal it would have taken him 5 minutes to kill everyone instead of 4 minutes.

So go ask the families of the people that died between minute 4 and minute 5 how they feel about bump stocks.

And, serious question, are you an NRA member?

Nope. NRA has 0 to do with my overview of this. Like I just said before if you read above assault type guns should be banned. NRA wouldn’t approve of me saying that.

Thanks. I appreciate your candor and independent thinking. I hadn't seen that post.

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