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First pastrami experiment complete. Some observations..

reinhart36
reinhart36 Posts: 253
edited December 2017 in EggHead Forum
I recently got a 5.5 pound brisket point to make pastrami from.  The butcher basically lopped the point of the whole packer, and so there was a pretty good size chunk of flat included with the point.  It was an unusually large packer, according to the butcher, incidentally.

So, I separated the flat, and ran a couple approaches on prep side-by-side for the two pieces.

Both pieces we pickled into corned beef for 7 days, as per the popular Goldwyn recipe:  https://amazingribs.com/tested-recipes/beef-and-bison-recipes/making-home-made-corned-beef-scratch

I did an 8 hour fresh water soak on them both to desalinate, as per recommendations.  I'll come back to this later.

For the cooking phase for the point, I did a 36 hour, 150F sous vide.  This was the point all ready for his swim:



I decided to go ahead and just rub and smoke the partial flat per the traditional approach, and not do the sous vide step.

That piece came out horribly salty, like bacon.  We ate it, and thankfully it wasn't a huge piece.  Maybe 1.5 pounds finished.

The sous vide point was rubbed then smoked up to 168F internal, and sliced.  It came out wonderfully!


There are a few variables here - cut of meat, and thickness - though they both seem to have had brine penetrate the whole way through.  But mainly, cooking method is the difference I think (not an expert).

A lot of water came out of the point in the sous vide bag during the cooking process.  I suspect a lot of salt came out with that water, but this is conjecture.

So, next time, if I don't want to do sous vide, I'm going to cut the brine salt in 1/2, and skip the desalinating step.  If I do sous vide, I'll change nothing, because it was wonderful.  I definitely think the point is a better way to go than the flat too, for the pretty (and tasty) marbling it offers..

Anyway, just some observations to share in case they help anybody..  The rub I used on them both was the Goldwyn rub for pastrami too, BTW.

Eric

Comments

  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Excellent experiment.  Next time, pickle the whole brisket for 5-7 days.  Rinse and smoke the point for Pastrami.  Skip the the SV.  Yes I love SV.  Boil the flat as is tradition in pickling spices for corned beef.  I posted this once upon a time.  Agree with no need for SV.  Good write up brother.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • Thanks @bgebrent - sorry I missed your pastrami post before.  I completely agree, no need for the sous vide.  Both pieces were tender, there was just the salt issue, which can be fixed in other ways.

    I have to say, it's pretty nerve racking running a sous vide heater for 36 hours that was made in China by the lowest bidders.  ;-)
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker, what's your beef?
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • I have had very good luck with the SV method. I use Man vs. meat pastrami’s recipe. I do not boil meat. Ever. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • reinhart36
    reinhart36 Posts: 253
    edited December 2017
    I definitely enjoyed the sous vide point pastrami, for sure.  Not saying it isn't fantastic.  I didn't boil the non-sous vide one though.  Just smoked it.  I think people boil corned beef, for traditional dishes though..?

    Sous vide rocks, in general...
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    I have had very good luck with the SV method. I use Man vs. meat pastrami’s recipe. I do not boil meat. Ever. 
    Then were down to fisticuffs!  You flag me ****, I'm gonna give Travis your phone number.  Traditional approach yields a great traditional result.  Either unflag me or double up.  Trying to catch Carrey ;)
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • bgebrent said:
    I have had very good luck with the SV method. I use Man vs. meat pastrami’s recipe. I do not boil meat. Ever. 
    Then were down to fisticuffs!  You flag me ****, I'm gonna give Travis your phone number.  Traditional approach yields a great traditional result.  Either unflag me or double up.  Trying to catch Carrey ;)
    Ha! I didn’t mean to flag you. Travis has my number and that is not always a good thing. If you ever get a text from Travis with a link of a home he “is looking for in your neighborhood” and asking if it’s a good deal, do not click on that link. It is not a good deal. Not at all. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    bgebrent said:
    I have had very good luck with the SV method. I use Man vs. meat pastrami’s recipe. I do not boil meat. Ever. 
    Then were down to fisticuffs!  You flag me ****, I'm gonna give Travis your phone number.  Traditional approach yields a great traditional result.  Either unflag me or double up.  Trying to catch Carrey ;)
    Ha! I didn’t mean to flag you. Travis has my number and that is not always a good thing. If you ever get a text from Travis with a link of a home he “is looking for in your neighborhood” and asking if it’s a good deal, do not click on that link. It is not a good deal. Not at all. 
    I had you.  Really glad I didn't give Travis my number.  Merry Christmas brother.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • You girls are hijacking my pastrami thread.  =) 
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Smoke the pickled point brother.  CenTex is a well known heretic.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • reinhart36
    reinhart36 Posts: 253
    edited December 2017
    I smoked the point after I sous vided it, in case I wasn't clear.  But, yeah, the next experiment will be skipping the sous vide with the point.  Thanks for the feedback.
  • That looks great.
    Stillwater, MN