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Doing pizzas again looking for advice

Some backstory.

I have a Large BGE with oval adjustable rig setup from CGS. Anything south of 500 I do great with.

When I cook pizza in the past I bring the oval stone up toward the top of the rig, preheat to 500 or so for the first pizza. Layer of cornmeal spread then on goes the pizza. The vent cap is usually off for this. First one turns out great. Anything after that gets burnt on the bottom, at which point the dome is reading 700. 

The last time I thought it was because my stone was black from cooking so I cleaned it a few days beforehand with the coals burning off any residue. Then after I decided it was I cooked too hot and there's a small window between cooked and burnt crust. This is store bought dough we're using and my wife used to make her own. I know that the moisture content of the dough is playing a role here.

For tonight I'm going to do the pizza at 500, vent on but want to know how and what benefits are to be had going much higher.
2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

Comments

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    500° is all you need for most doughs.

    Unless I misunderstood, you are putting cornmeal on the stone? Why? The purpose of cornmeal is to prevent the dough from sticking to the peel when you launch the pie. It won't stick to a hot stone. All cornmeal on the stone will do is burn.

    I prefer semolina (or lately, just a dusting of flour) rather than cornmeal. This is my peel with all the semolina I ever use. Never had a pie stick...

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    Never really thought about it it's just something I do with the cornmeal. I'll stop now that you mention it. I'll give a dusting of flour a try tonight.
    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    If using store bought dough, cook at the recommended temps. Sugar in the dough plays more into it than moisture.

    You say you move your oval stone higher? What is the gap distance between oval stone and your actual pizza stone you are cooking on? Does the oval stone completely shield your pizza stone? Is your pizza stone resting on the BGE 18" grid on the top of the Rig?
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • slovelad
    slovelad Posts: 1,742
    Well make sure you aren't leaving the dome open too long when putting the pizza on, which will cause the temp to spike with more air flow (try to adjust the vine tclosed a bit when you get ready to cook to adjust for the influx of air from opening and closing)

    secondly, don't put anything on the stone. The dough WILL NOT stick to A properly heated stone. (Not sure if you meant on the stone or peel)

    Inuse parchment paper to transfer my pizzas. But to each his own
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 35,044
    is the stone over an indirect setup as in two stones. the bigger the indirect setup is under the stone the more stable the temps will be and not allow the cooking stone to overheat. i used to use store bought dough at 1200 degree dome but i had several inches of sand in a deep pan under the stone, no bottom crust burning
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    Photo Egg said:
    If using store bought dough, cook at the recommended temps. Sugar in the dough plays more into it than moisture.

    You say you move your oval stone higher? What is the gap distance between oval stone and your actual pizza stone you are cooking on? Does the oval stone completely shield your pizza stone? Is your pizza stone resting on the BGE 18" grid on the top of the Rig?
    I've been cooking on the oval stone from CGS. Is that not allowed?
    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    is the stone over an indirect setup as in two stones. the bigger the indirect setup is under the stone the more stable the temps will be and not allow the cooking stone to overheat. i used to use store bought dough at 1200 degree dome but i had several inches of sand in a deep pan under the stone, no bottom crust burning
    Just the one oval stone. I own others that I used years ago in the oven I could try a multi stone approach.
    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,232
    I've bought dough from a pizza joint who cooked their pizza at 450. So I cooked it at 450 I just bought dough at Whole Foods, cooked at 500ish and even cranked it up to 600. Toppings we're great, dough did not crisp - at all. Next time I was in Whole Foods I asked the pizza guy what temp they ran their brick oven and he said 650 and the dough they sell is the same dough thy use for their in-house pizza. 

    Know the dough. 
    New Albany, Ohio 

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 35,044
    you need a heat sink stone that takes the brunt of the fire, an air gap, then the stone to cook the pizza. the fire is alot hotter under a stone than what your dome temp says, it needs a buffer. if it still burns a little between cooks, swipe  a lightly damp rag over the stone your cooking on, damp, NOT wet
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    DynaGlide said:
    Photo Egg said:
    If using store bought dough, cook at the recommended temps. Sugar in the dough plays more into it than moisture.

    You say you move your oval stone higher? What is the gap distance between oval stone and your actual pizza stone you are cooking on? Does the oval stone completely shield your pizza stone? Is your pizza stone resting on the BGE 18" grid on the top of the Rig?
    I've been cooking on the oval stone from CGS. Is that not allowed?
    It's allowed but that's why your crust is burning and you have no consistency.
    Heat rises directly into the bottom of your oval stone and gets it MUCH hotter than the air in the dome. Crust burns before pizza is done.
    Move your oval down a notch as indirect barrier, add your 18" grid back on top an place your pizza stone on the bge grid. Let you Egg ceramics come up to temp for 30-45 minutes. This will get you close. Then fine tune to your liking.
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    Well this has been a good discussion. I should've asked sooner I'm learning a lot. Truth is I don't do pizzas enough so I never thought much about it. I'll see if one of my other stones will fit in the egg and if it does I'll cook on that and use my oval as a deflector.
    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    DynaGlide said:
    Well this has been a good discussion. I should've asked sooner I'm learning a lot. Truth is I don't do pizzas enough so I never thought much about it. I'll see if one of my other stones will fit in the egg and if it does I'll cook on that and use my oval as a deflector.
    You can use another item as your deflector and put your oval on top to cook your pie. A cast iron lid, larger heavy duty pie pan. You can find something.
    Just don't try and use a throw away aluminum pan as a deflector.
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • slovelad
    slovelad Posts: 1,742
    edited July 2017
    500° is all you need for most doughs.

    Unless I misunderstood, you are putting cornmeal on the stone? Why? The purpose of cornmeal is to prevent the dough from sticking to the peel when you launch the pie. It won't stick to a hot stone. All cornmeal on the stone will do is burn.

    I prefer semolina (or lately, just a dusting of flour) rather than cornmeal. This is my peel with all the semolina I ever use. Never had a pie stick...

    If I had a dollar for every time I've seen this picture lol I'd be rich ... and even richer for the times that I've though "I'd ruin evry pie trying to get it off of there lol
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    slovelad said:
    500° is all you need for most doughs.

    Unless I misunderstood, you are putting cornmeal on the stone? Why? The purpose of cornmeal is to prevent the dough from sticking to the peel when you launch the pie. It won't stick to a hot stone. All cornmeal on the stone will do is burn.

    I prefer semolina (or lately, just a dusting of flour) rather than cornmeal. This is my peel with all the semolina I ever use. Never had a pie stick...

    If I had a dollar for every time I've seen this picture lol I'd be rich ... and even richer for the times that I've though "I'd ruin evry pie trying to get it off of there lol
    He's new. =) You should try it, like little ball bearings! Mine never stick. Just shake it a bit after each topping is added and don't dally. 

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    slovelad said:
    500° is all you need for most doughs.

    Unless I misunderstood, you are putting cornmeal on the stone? Why? The purpose of cornmeal is to prevent the dough from sticking to the peel when you launch the pie. It won't stick to a hot stone. All cornmeal on the stone will do is burn.

    I prefer semolina (or lately, just a dusting of flour) rather than cornmeal. This is my peel with all the semolina I ever use. Never had a pie stick...

    If I had a dollar for every time I've seen this picture lol I'd be rich ... and even richer for the times that I've though "I'd ruin evry pie trying to get it off of there lol
    He's new. =) You should try it, like little ball bearings! Mine never stick. Just shake it a bit after each topping is added and don't dally. 
    New. . .to pizza :)


    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA

  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    He meant new to motorcycles.lol
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I meant new to the forum (based on number of posts anyway - could be a lurker I guess, in which case, might have seen the pic once or twice =)).  

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • DynaGlide
    DynaGlide Posts: 54
    Yeah I'm not much of a contributor here unfortunately. Mostly just a taker...
    2006 Blue Weber Performer Slow n' Sear and Rotisserie; LG BGE w/ AR R&B -- Alexandria, VA