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My First Brisket. Tips???

yeah, I haven't even bought it yet. So I've owned my egg since Christmas, have smoked ribs, pork tenderloin, a 9 lb Boston butt, sausage, wings, mostly easy stuff. For the most part, everything has turned out pretty good. I know I can do better. I want to do a brisket thus weekend. Help!!

I'm really looking for any tips. I know it's not an exact science, looking for prep tips (plan on buying the meat tomorrow), egg prep tips, cooking time tips, seasoning tips, really any info you experts would like to share. 

My biggest issue with smoking so far (specifically the Boston butt, it stalled and I could not get it above 165 ongoing, transferred to oven), is the dome temp vs grill temp. When my butt stalled it was on for 18 hours with a dome temp of 225, like I said it stalled. Now I'm rambling. 

Any tips are appreciated. Thanks!!!
St. Louis, MO 

Family, Cardinals, Blues, Mizzou, Music, Grateful Dead, Phish


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  • cprew11
    cprew11 Posts: 45
    Up
    St. Louis, MO 

    Family, Cardinals, Blues, Mizzou, Music, Grateful Dead, Phish


  • RedSkip
    RedSkip Posts: 1,400
    Patience 
    Large BGE - McDonald, PA
  • MeTed
    MeTed Posts: 800
    Butts always stall around160 and the stall can last for hours, that is normal. The same for brisket. Good luck!
    Belleville, Michigan

    Just burnin lump in Sumpter
  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,972
    I have never cooked any protein for 18 hours...

    the longest stall I have ever encountered was ~12 hrs..and I believe that was a whole shoulder(picnic and shoulder) to an internal temp of 195..

    everyone has their own way and they are probably all great, but here is mine..

    Buy a whole packer like the good folks on here have said...if its too big for your egg ...separate the deckle from the flat...

    trim off ONLY the hard fat...leave the gelatin type attached...

    I cook mine between ~250 / 275... wait for it......for as long as it takes to get to ~160..

    I double wrap in foil until 200 degrees...

    pull it out of  cooker and poke a hole in the side of the foil and catch the juice in a mason jar, put that in the fridge...

    put said mason jar in fridge and DO NOT OPEN the foil for 1 hour....The protein will "pull back" and firm up in that time frame this makes it slice well.

    After the hour slice brisket about No 2 pencil thick and pull out the mason jar...

    scrape off the layer of fat that has accumulated on the top and reheat until piping hot..
     
    then pour that magical liquid all over your slices..

    Texas toast, 1/4 inch slice of tomato and some Dukes Mayo...
    Have:
     XLBGE / Stumps Baby XL / Couple of Stokers (Gen 1 and Gen 3) / Blackstone 36 / Maxey 3x5 water pan hog cooker
    Had:
    LBGE / Lang 60D / Cookshack SM150 / Stumps Stretch / Stumps Baby

    Fat Willies BBQ
    Ola, Ga

  • Ladeback69
    Ladeback69 Posts: 4,484
    A couple things that you can do to get through the stall is either wrap it in foil or buchters paper to help speed up the process or take you temp up 25 to 50 degrees more to get through it.  By the time it goes into the stall it should be above 150 so taking the temp won't hurt and you will still be in the smoke zone.  Also triming the hard fat off helps in the cooking process
    XL, WSM, Coleman Road Trip Gas Grill

    Kansas City, Mo.
  • johnnyp
    johnnyp Posts: 3,932

    Lowest hanging fruit- Bump the temp. 275F will get you comparable results a heck of a lot faster. 

     I never cook at 225F, I find it difficult to keep the temp that low and cooks take foreeeeever.

    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
  • SmokeyPitt
    SmokeyPitt Posts: 10,490
    edited April 2017
    The first step is to source a whole "packer" brisket.  I see you are in St. Louis. I am pretty sure that Costco carries prime packer briskets in your area. I recall @Stlcharcoal posted a picture of a bin full of them. There are other vids for cooking and slicing. 

    Here are some tips on selection and trimming:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmTzdMHu5KU




    Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. 

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,794
    Another vote for upping the dome temp.  Make sure your dome thermo is calibrated but with 225*F on the dome the grid is at a slightly lower temp and getting any protein up to the 200*F temp is gonna take forever.  I'm with @johnnyp and figure around 1 hr/lb at 260-280*F on the dome.
    Give the search function here a look-plenty of brisket threads, enough for information overload.  Above all, have fun.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    Best tip I have for you is to read, read and read some more.  Not just on this sight (although everything is probably here).  Watch videos on youtube.  The more you know the less you'll panic when something unexpected comes up.  And IT WILL.
    I wouldn't cook it at 225.  I'd go 265 and make sure you monitor the temp in the thickest portion of the flat.  Start it early....hours early so you can FTC the meat for at least an hour (or up to 6) before serving/slicing.
    Don't stress!!!  It's only BBQ.  Have fun and enjoy the process.

    Can't wait to hear how it goes and see the pics.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • stlcharcoal
    stlcharcoal Posts: 4,764
    The first step is to source a whole "packer" brisket.  I see you are in St. Louis. I am pretty sure that Costco carries prime packer briskets in your area. I recall @Stlcharcoal posted a picture of a bin full of them.



    Yep, both STL location have them.  I picked one up at south county about a week ago......going on the egg tomorrow night!
  • SirSquatch
    SirSquatch Posts: 109
    In addition to what has already been said, the most important thing I learned is to be patient. If you have a set time you need/want to be eating, give yourself 3-4 hours before that time for the brisket to be done. Wrapped and in a cooler lined with towels the meat will stay hot for a very long time. Last thing you want to be doing is trying to push things to get it tender, or worse, pulling it off before it's done, because guests are ready to eat. 
    Northern VA - LBGE
  • da87
    da87 Posts: 640
    Enjoy your first brisket @cprew11!  I recently did my first as well.  My recommendations:
    1. Watch all of the Franklin Brisket videos
    2. Read the memorial day brisket thread posted above
    3. Take any and all advice from the experts on the forum - especially @YukonRon and @lousubcap
    4. Fill with lump all the way to the platesetter just in case your brisket stalls
    5. Start earlier than you think you should - an extra hour or two in BPTC is much better than serving 2 hours late!

    If it helps, here's the link to my first brisket cook in detail (18 hours, didn't wrap until it was resting after watching the Franklin video on foil vs. butcher paper vs. nothing during cooking):  http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1204149/first-meteorite-lessons-learned-long-pic-heavy#latest


    Doug
    Wayne, PA
    LBGE, Weber Kettle (gifted to my sister), Weber Gasser

    "Two things are infinite:  the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe"   Albert Einstein
  • What's the cook time on one of these? I know every one is different but looking for an approximate. I just picked one up to try for my first this weekend as well. It's about 6.5 lbs, so just a lil guy- that way the expense is minimal when it goes awry. Thanks all and sorry to OP for high hacking. 
  • dsrguns
    dsrguns Posts: 421
    What's the cook time on one of these? I know every one is different but looking for an approximate. I just picked one up to try for my first this weekend as well. It's about 6.5 lbs, so just a lil guy- that way the expense is minimal when it goes awry. Thanks all and sorry to OP for high hacking. 
    So this is just the flat? In my limited experience with "flat"only cooks mine seem to take about 1.5 hours per lb. at 250-260 dome. Of course yours may vary as the cow drives the cook. Hopefully lousubcap will chime in as I have referenced his knowledge on this wonderful cut of protein.
      
    XL BGE
    MD
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,794
    @chuckytheegghead - as above, every hunk of cow is different but you are definitely in the ball-park with @dsrguns estimate.  They key with a flat is to keep it from drying out.  Many here use Dr BBQ's recipe with foil and a liquid (coffee I believe) add at around the start of the stall.  Give the forum search function a look, many threads.  Regardless of foiling the entire flat, I always foil the thinner end of the flat to help reduce the drying and cut a notch across grain before you start the cook so that when the meteorite is formed you know the slice direction.  And only slice on demand as it will dry out before your eyes.
    BTW- around here the cost of a packer (prime grade) / lb is around $3.00 and the cost of a flat (choice grade)/lb is around $6.00.  Thus you can get double the quantity (minus the trimming on the packer) for about the same price.  
    Given your first go-round I would look at foil and beef broth or the above mentioned DR. BBQ recipe to ensure a great out-come so SWMBO will let you go again.  Enjoy the cook and eats. 
    Hi-jack apologies here.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • cprew11
    cprew11 Posts: 45
    Wow, thanks for the tips everyone. Very nice people on here. No wonder it took 2 weeks before I could post, they must do full background checks. Anyway, I've pushed my first go back. Buying the brisket in the morning. Will update thread.  Thanks again!!
    St. Louis, MO 

    Family, Cardinals, Blues, Mizzou, Music, Grateful Dead, Phish


  • cprew11
    cprew11 Posts: 45
    What's the cook time on one of these? I know every one is different but looking for an approximate. I just picked one up to try for my first this weekend as well. It's about 6.5 lbs, so just a lil guy- that way the expense is minimal when it goes awry. Thanks all and sorry to OP for high hacking. 
    Not hijacking at all man.  The more info the better. 
    St. Louis, MO 

    Family, Cardinals, Blues, Mizzou, Music, Grateful Dead, Phish


  • Thanks for the help guys ( @lousubcap and @dsrguns). It turned out pretty good for a first attempt. Now what do I do with the left overs? Yes, it was a flat and your time estimation was spot on. Thanks again. 
  • dsrguns
    dsrguns Posts: 421
    I've added mine to eggs for breakfast and also heated up in a pan with some beef broth for sammiches. Flats can be tricky as it is much leaner than a packer cut with the point If you are able to try a whole brisket next time. The point is fabulous..As lousubcap and I concur, no burnt ends.
      
    XL BGE
    MD
  • StillH2OEgger
    StillH2OEgger Posts: 3,926
    I can't offer much, but just wanted to relate the only thing I wish I could have done differently with my only brisket. I did not let it rest before the FTC so while it was tender and delicious, it ended up getting overcooked enough that it was hard to get firm slices without having it fall apart. Good luck!
    Stillwater, MN
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    If you like chili and it isn't too hot for it already wherever you reside then I would highly recommend you search @EggObsessed award winning smoked brisket chili. It's incredible! Burnt ends are always a crown pleaser around here. Or nachos. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA