pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

JustineCaseyFeldown said:

-open up insurance to out of state insurers (more competition)
-require insurers to reimburse all healthcare givers, rather than just those doctors/systems they negotiate deals with
-require everyone to have insurance (because those of us paying higher premiums are already paying for their health care anyway, and usually in an emergency)
-charge more to people with unhealthy lifestyle factors (obesity, smoking, alcohol, etc.), just like you would charge more to insure a driver who has chronic history of moving violations
-require coverage of pre-existing conditions (otherwise you may never be able to move from one job to another and/or switch insurers)

most of, if not all of these, were proposed as a part of the whole process of writing the ACA , some from both sides of the aisle, too IIRC.

they were gutted by the lobbyists, whose job it is to maintain the status quo.

Yep and those lobbyists are still very much in place.  There are actual policy solutions here, and then there is what is politically possible, due to a variety of factors.  Fairly large gap between the two.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama’s-whoppers/ar-AAlZ1aH?li=BBnb7Kz

Here's a liberal groups roundup.

 Seems a wonderful golf course got built. And due to the timeline, the additional construction of housing and hotel is still to be accomplished. Trunp is not only an idea man, but he is a doer as well. Will it ever achieve the levels of his initial dreams? Don't know. But he is trying to reach that level or as high as he can. The success or failure of this project does not give me any reason to suspect Trump will be a good nor a bad President.

 As for fighting the windmill project? Watch some vids of the people complaining about living near them currently. Eyesores. Noisey. Kill birds(although modern slower turning designs have reduced this). Shadowing!!! (this would drive most people crazy) I certainly don't blame Trump for fighting the installation of these near his property. And fight as hard as he can. He has a lot invested.

 Will he be a good President? God, I hope so. Since he is not completely beholden to the Republican Party leaders, we may have the chance for new ideas and across the aisle compromise. Or we can continue down the path of a divided country and get nothing accomplished.

   Jim

pgprescott said:

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

*you're...

just sayin'

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

Healthcare in the US was "subsidized by others" prior to the ACA.

The ACA is killing middle America. The poor gets covered for pennies, while the middle class gets screwed. My small company quite offering employer provided healthcare. Went to the exchange where I don't qualify for a subsidy because I make too much money. So I'm left with crap insurance with a 6k deductible and that cost me 5k/year.

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

Did you say the policy is subsidized? I thought so. Durp durp durp! The fact it is a learning institution leads me to suspect it is subsidized a a far greater level than you think. 

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

I never said it wasn't subsidized. How exactly am I "wrong"? It's an employer-provided health plan that is not subsidized by any outside factors. All I said is that my policy did not change benefit-wise and the premium price dropped after implementation of the ACA. It's true that other people in this country who don't work in their namesake's BBQ shop may have different experiences and outcomes than you that does not reinforce your belief system. That's okay!

 In addition, I am sorry that logic, reading comprehension and, as evidenced by your last comment, mastery of the English language are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you. Comment edited to contain new-found information

I did that on purpose . Just for you. Oh, and Stike too.

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

Did you say the policy is subsidized? I thought so. Durp durp durp! The fact it is a learning institution leads me to suspect it is subsidized a a far greater level than you think. 

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

I never said it wasn't subsidized. How exactly am I "wrong"? It's an employer-provided health plan that is not subsidized by any outside factors. All I said is that my policy did not change benefit-wise and the premium price dropped after implementation of the ACA. It's true that other people in this country who don't work in their namesake's BBQ shop may have different experiences and outcomes than you that does not reinforce your belief system. That's okay!

 In addition, I am sorry that logic, reading comprehension and, as evidenced by your last comment, mastery of the English language are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you. Comment edited to contain new-found information

I just want to see how deep we can get this quote. Like this thread, it will eventually implode. 

nolaegghead said:

Why don't you guys start a health care thread, this one is supposed to be about a golf course.

you don't even play golf. 

It's not a healthcare discussion so much as a fairy tale.