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New BGE owner from the UK. First couple of cooks

Hi everyone. So I'm a new owner and new to this forum, so thought in my first post I'd say hello and tell you about my first two cooks. 

Firstly are there any other British eggheads on here? Surprise me - BGE's aren't all that well known in the UK! The neighbours had no idea what the hell I was building. I'd really like to know what charcoal UK folk use - the BGE charcoal can only be bought from BGE UK and with the delivery charge, doesn't work out very economical. 

Only a couple of cooks in, I'm really impressed with the BGE. My confession is that I'm terrible at BBQs, have only owned a £20 crappy BBQ before (the classic British way - used to char burgers and sausages) but my love of steak, British roasts and the American barbecue prompted me to buy a BGE. It's an expensive but impressively made piece of kit. First cook on Boxing Day I followed this recipe, adjusted to cook a larger leg of lamb: http://thebbqbuddha.com/smoked-leg-of-lamb-on-the-big-green-egg



First thing that struck me was how hot it gets, so quickly. I lit the charcoal, waited 10 mins with lid up, closed lid with vents fully open and in about 30 or 60 seconds the temperature hit 250c / 580f (it was a v windy day which probably contributed). After a brief bit of confusion I used the vents to tease it down to 120c so I could put the lamb on. 

I used a few hickory chunks, patiently watched my wireless meat probe for 4hrs and it came out smokey with almost a ham flavour on the outside and rich, soft, medium rare lamb on the inside. I've never been much of a fan of rare lamb (prefer it cooked so it falls off the bone) but this was great. 





The next day I invited the in-laws round, cooking for 6 adults and 2 kids and it didn't quite go according to plan. Two racks of short ribs, following the Pitt Cue recipe book. 



Internal meat temp climbed to 68c after about 3hrs (approx from memory) then stalled for SEVEN HOURS. After 7hrs it had actually only climbed to 71 and wouldn't budge. I think the mistake I made, last minute before putting the ribs on was deciding to put a large pan of water below the ribs. Just a sudden thought to do so without any regard for how much water to use (also wasn't in the recipe) and maybe that kept the ribs moist and unable to climb out of the stall. It was late, and if I was just cooking for me and the wife I'd ride it out and eat at midnight if need be, but because I had a family of hungry inlaws waiting (and because the original recipe suggested 6hrs cooking total) I broke and transferred them to my indoor oven, set to 110c, meat probe still in and then they cooked to 89c in about another hour or so. 



Disappointed that I had to resort to an oven, but they were still delicious - a teeny bit less tender than I'd hoped but with a good crust, soft and full of flavour. I'll definitely try again without the water pan. 

But I feel that's the fun of the BGE - so many variables that I'll learn through experimentation. 

Some newbie questions I'd appreciate help with:

When following recipe guidelines (say it says 110c) do you follow the built-in dome thermometer or use the reading on an electronic grill thermometer? I find that the dome reads about 20c hotter. For the ribs I cooked in the middle - grill temp was about 100c, dome was 120c most of the time. 

I'm planning to get a pizza stone. Where do you recommend placing it? I've seen various configurations: on the plate setter? On the grill?

Thanks in advance. And happy new year!

Comments

  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited January 2016

    Well done. :rock_on: 
    Beautiful plating there.

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • SmokingPiney
    SmokingPiney Posts: 2,319
    Welcome to the Cult of BGE!

    There are some seriously skilled cooks posting here, and this forum is a wealth of knowledge. You will get answers fairly quickly here.

    As for the grate vs dome temperature, it's your choice. There is usually a disparity between the two. Pick the method you prefer and cook to that. Don't get too obsessive about nailing the exact temperature. If you're within 25 degrees, you'll be fine.

    Calibrate your dome thermometer: boil some water and immerse the probe tip. It should read 100 C. If it's off, you can adjust the nut on the back of the gauge to dial it in.  I use the dome temp to cook by.

    Most cooking on the Egg is done to the meat's internal temperature, so an instant read meat thermometer or a constant read remote thermometer is just about a must. 

    Your first cooks look great! I'm not going to write a wall of text for you to slog through, so I'll let other chime in here.

    Congrats on your BGE and welcome to the madness!

    Happy New Year! 


    Living the good life smoking and joking
  • Tinyfish
    Tinyfish Posts: 1,755
    Some good cooks despite the short ribs. 

    That hunk of ribs would take a while to cook, probably more then six hours depending on temp. I agree calibrate your thermometer first. I would cook those indirect with no water in the pan. The pan is ok as a defusser.  I cook my ribs at 225f to 275f until cooked.
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Welcome aboard!  Lamb and ribs look great!  I agree with everything said.  There's no need for liquid in your drip pan.  The egg will maintain moist meat without it and then there's no added heat sink or opportunity for complete evaporation resulting in a temp spike.
    Recipes for the egg and temps are based on dome temp.  Good luck and have fun!
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    You can use the dome thermo, or an external one you place on the grid. What you saw is completely normal in regards to temp difference. Most recipes are talking about dome temp, but you can use either and during a long cook, they will eventually equalize. 20c isn't that big off a deal during a "low and slow" cook but would make a difference during baking something like bread.

    In regards to the pizza stone, put it above the plate setter, either on the grid with the grid on the PS legs up, or with an air gap above the PS legs down. The higher up in the dome you can get it, the better the pizza will cook with radiant heat off of the dome.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,652
    Welcome aboard and enjoy the journey.  Strong start right there-most eggcellent.  And +1 with the above.  Bottom-line as you have sorted out; have fun and eggsperiment as you go.  Happy New Year.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • northGAcock
    northGAcock Posts: 15,173
    That all looks bloody great.....welcome to the forum and egging.
    Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax

    Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
    Run me out in the cold rain and snow
  • Welcome!  Everything looked great. I don't usually cook ribs by temperature. I've tried the 3-2-1 method (Google it) a couple times with spare ribs and have decided I will most likely use baby back ribs the next time I try ribs because the spare ribs didn't get tender enough to my liking.
    LBGE & Masterbuilt 30" Stainless Electric Digital Smokehouse w/Cold Smoker
  • bhedges1987
    bhedges1987 Posts: 3,201
    Most recipes you see on any website are calling out for grate temp.  So if you calibrate your thermometer on your dome and find out that it's X degrees hotter than your grate temp, then up your dome temp by X degrees so you know your grate is what you want.  At least that's what I do.  If you are having trouble finding decent priced lump charcoal over there, just use briquetts.  Maybe you can find some kingsford competition briquettes. Those work pretty well for me in my egg.

    No worries on moving it into the oven..... I honestly do that on 95% of my cooks.  

    Kansas City, Missouri
    Large Egg
    Mini Egg

    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" - Gandalf


  • bhedges1987
    bhedges1987 Posts: 3,201
    Using the 3-2-1 method isn't getting your spares tender enough?  When I do the 3-2-1 even at 225 temp, they come out way way way overly done.  

    Welcome!  Everything looked great. I don't usually cook ribs by temperature. I've tried the 3-2-1 method (Google it) a couple times with spare ribs and have decided I will most likely use baby back ribs the next time I try ribs because the spare ribs didn't get tender enough to my liking.




    Kansas City, Missouri
    Large Egg
    Mini Egg

    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" - Gandalf


  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,652
    Forum convention-unless otherwise specified, any temps sited are dome temp as that is the one thermo all BGE's run with.  Regardless of what temp you use-just know how your BGE responds and go for it.  Don't get worked up over thermal gradients/variances-they exist in the BGE and your oven-just easier to measure on the BGE.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • CincyTiki
    CincyTiki Posts: 346
    Welcome, your lamb looks delicious.



    Enjoying life in Cincinnati, Ohio - Large BGE & MiniMax BGE
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Welcome! Nice looking first cooks.


    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,222
    Welcome.  Great cooks. 

    I was wondering about getting lump in England.  I own a ProQ (British made vertical smoker about like a Weber Smokey Mountain) and the online videos I found for it all referred to lump charcoal as "junk" charcoal and suggested that briquettes were better. 

    Also, who is your football team?

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • TheToast
    TheToast Posts: 395
    Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. I'll post again some time when I've cooked some more. Forecast is rain this weekend, but I'm thinking of trying a whole chicken. 

    I've already rigged my own McGuyver-style rain protector for the thermometer (a plastic takeaway box slotted into a wire harness). Interested to know what everyone else does to keep it dry. 



    @Foghorn I'm not actually into football but if I had to pick, it would be Spurs thanks to my wife's family being mad on them. 
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    TheToast said:
    Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. I'll post again some time when I've cooked some more. Forecast is rain this weekend, but I'm thinking of trying a whole chicken. 

    I've already rigged my own McGuyver-style rain protector for the thermometer (a plastic takeaway box slotted into a wire harness). Interested to know what everyone else does to keep it dry. 



    @Foghorn I'm not actually into football but if I had to pick, it would be Spurs thanks to my wife's family being mad on them. 
    I just put my transmitter in a zip lock bag perched on the egg mate.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,222
    If you're not really into football, you'll probably fit in better with us yanks. Although it's not a bad year to be a Tottenham fan - at least so far.

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • Jeepster47
    Jeepster47 Posts: 3,827
    Welcome ... Looks like you'll fit in well and enjoy the forum ... good looking cooks.

     For the Maverick, a plastic Baggie also works well. Otherwise a plastic box with with PVC fittings seems to be the go to solution ... here are some links to what others have done:

    Jan 2015 … http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/1665675/p1

    May 2015 … http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/1759178/p1

    Mar 2015 … http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/1708021/p1

    Oct 2015 … http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/1838561/p1



    Washington, IL  >  Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max

  • Welcome!  Where in the UK are you?
    Lovin' my Large Egg since May 2012 (Richmond, VA) ... and makin' cookbooks at https://FamilyCookbookProject.com
    Stoker II wifi, Thermapen, and a Fork for plating photo purposes
  • RAC
    RAC Posts: 1,688
    Welcome aboard!

    Ricky

    Boerne, TX

  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    Welcome.  We do have some other uk eggers pop in occasionally. I can think of at least two, but can't recall their handles right off. 
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    Welcome. Nice to have you around. Good looking cooks. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • CodyA88
    CodyA88 Posts: 156
    Welcome!  Love the international community this forum has thanks to the BGE! Looks delicious and looking forward to your future cooks
    LBGE, 28" Blackstone
    Georgia
  • TheToast
    TheToast Posts: 395
    @Jeepster47 Thanks for the links. They're much better made versions of what I threw together. I'll need to build a more permanent solution. 

    @Cookbook_Chip I'm from North London. 

    Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!
  • TheToast
    TheToast Posts: 395
    Quick update: Inspired by the other posts, I made a more permanent waterproof case for my remote thermometer so I can cook chicken in the pouring rain tomorrow. Drilled hole in a Tupperware box, short bit of flexible pipe. Easy peasy.