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Regulating Heat - Again - at my wits end

So I tried regulating the heat on my egg again today,  I'm at my wits end.  This time I waited a good 10-15 minutes until the fire was going good in the three locations I put fire starter.  I waited until two of them were just red hot embers and the third was well on its way to the same state. I put the plate setter in, feet up then the grate.  I closed the lid.  The bottom vent was wide open and the top was slid to the side open as well.  As the temp approached 200° I slid the bottom closed to a out 1/4" and the top closed with the daisy wheel just barely open.  As the temp approached 230° I closed the bottom a bit more.  Everything seemed to level out around 260° - target was 275°.  I kept checking every 5 minutes and dome temp was around 280-285°.  I got my cyber Q on the network so I could attach the pit probe to monitor the temp from inside since it's rainy and blustery out.  When I attached the probe the pit was at 290°.... It kept climbing and I kept dampening down the air.  Finally at 325° I replaced the daisy wheel with the ceramic cap, and closed the bottom completely snuffing out the fire.

When the temp got back down around 220° I opened everything back up to get the coals going.  Once I heard them start to crackle, I closed the bottom vent almost completely (see attached pic) and the daisy wheel completely (see other attached pic).  I watched the Cyber Q as the temp climbed, through 250°, through 270° when it texted me that the pit temp was at 315° I had my wife shut it down. (I was out running errands).  I have no reason to believe the temp wouldn't have kept on climbing...

This is totally different than anything I see online.  According to everything I see, the bottom should be open about 1/8-1/4" and the daisy wheel just cracked to get to 275° ish.

I would think if the dome were not seated properly and letting too much air in, it would be impossible to shut down.  But as soon as I close the bottom and put the ceramic cap on it dies fairly quickly.

What am I missing??? 

Puyallup, WA, USA, Earth
LBGE
Realtor, Private Pilot, and Novice Egg Head
Ready to Learn



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  • slovelad
    slovelad Posts: 1,742
    You're chasing too much. As soon as you relax and let it really settle in, you will start having fun. 

    Stop fretting over 25 degrees. It don't matter. 25 degrees only means you eat a little sooner or a little later. 

    Youll get it. Chill out and have fun. 
    You have to remememer... It's just grilling brother .

    if I could make one suggestion that I like to do.

    bring he temp about 50 degrees past what the desired temp is, and then put in the plate setter. This will bring down the temp and allow you to begin regulating. I'm sure many other people will disagree 

    vrack open a beer and say to hell with it 


  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited November 2015

    @ALTI2DE  ,
    That Yolk guy is right.  You don't need to adjust the vents just because you see a temp change.  Give your Egg a chance - wait a few minutes and it'll return to baseline.

    Remember - once you close the dome, you have ceramics supplying heat while your coals readjust to the established airflow.

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,806
    Here's a process I use- starting with FWIW-If going low&slow (anything between 180-and around 300*F on the calibrated dome), I load the lump to whatever level you want (at least to the top of the firebox) then with the dome open and the bottom vent full open light in one spot slightly forward of center-line about 1/3 down the lump load.  Let around a soft-ball sized volume of lump get going then load the platesetter, drip pan and anything else , shut the dome and shut the bottom vent to around 1/2" open.  Once within around 50*F of the desired dome temp (250-280*F most cooks) then on goes the DFMT with the petals full open and dial it in.  
    As above, don't chase +/- 25*F as you can tweak it down-stream.  You will get it-this is best described as an analog system in a digital world.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • SoCalTim
    SoCalTim Posts: 2,158
    If your looking to cook at low temps ... what you want to do is light the lump with ONE fire starter - right in the middle, not three. This is simple, I tend to think your overthinking this. It'll all be good.
    I've slow smoked and eaten so much pork, I'm legally recognized as being part swine - Chatsworth Ca.
  • Ok I'll try with one tomorrow... If I could just get it to settle under 300° I'd be ok with that...  But even after it was pretty well closed down (see pix) it continued to climb about a degree a minute.... With no end in sight.
    Puyallup, WA, USA, Earth
    LBGE
    Realtor, Private Pilot, and Novice Egg Head
    Ready to Learn



  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,176
    You might want to consider lighting a fire in one spot rather than three next time. 
  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    edited November 2015
    When you finally figure it out, you'll be surprised how little air is required. Try this, after your fire is established, call it baseball to softball sized lump glowing, close the dome, when calibrated thermo hits 200, close bottom to credit card width and daisy with only petals slightly open. Leave the cyberq in the drawer. Go inside, come back in 45 min and check temp, go inside. Come back in 30 min, go inside. You'll be under 300. 
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited November 2015

    Yep.
    He'll probably be close to 250°
    ( . . . and a little tired, 'cause you kept making him go inside and back outside.)

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • clifkincaid
    clifkincaid Posts: 572
    edited November 2015
    Buy yourself a map torch. Toss the fire starters in the trash. As said, light in one spot. Hold torch for a minute then call it good. Give a couple minutes then add PS and drip pan if needed. Adjust to 1/8-3/16" openings. Give the egg 45-1hr to burn off and settle in.
      The beginning of egg owner ship is a curve and will make you miss your gas or weber. Be patient and GoHawks 

  • Robo2015
    Robo2015 Posts: 267
    I don't have much to add, other than support.  I just got my egg last summer and at first was having the exact same problems you are.  Just like these guys said, I was all over the egg, constantly making adjustments, and chasing the temps.  The main thing is to try and relax.  I'm always surprised how little air the egg needs to stay in the 200s.  I also only use a half of one fire starter square.  Id rather creep up to the temp than go over it.  Good luck, you will get it.
    A Lonely Single Large Egg

    North Shore of Massachusetts
  • swordsmn
    swordsmn Posts: 683
    YMMV but after I light in one place ( I do use mapp but doesn't matter) I immediately fit the blower, clip the pit probe to the dome thermo stem and my smoke ware cap is just barely open.  I don't get overshoots.   Someone here counseled that I'm turning over control to the cyberq prematurely but I can get 225, 250 or 275 on demand.  
    LBGE, AR.  Lives in N.E. ATL
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I haven't lit a fire in fewer than four places in years. Whether a 250° cook or 900°. Mapp torch at 12-4-8 and center. Always. DigiQ or not. If you shut down the air intake, you CANNOT have a hot fire.

    Sounds like too much air is coming from somewhere. Leaky lower vent perhaps?

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
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  • GregW
    GregW Posts: 2,678
    You might want to consider lighting a fire in one spot rather than three next time. 
    That what I do. One spot is plenty. If I the egg get too hot it is almost impossible to lower the temp in a regulated way.

    I also set my Stoker 50 Deg below the desired temp, when it reaches this point I slowly raise the setpoint up in 10 degree increments to avoid overshoot. Easy does it and it won't overshoot.
  • I had the same issue when I first started but thanks to the same advice you are getting right here i'm good to go now. I never let the fire get going good enough, I kept trying to dial it in before it was really a good healthy fire. Take the advice and walk away and let it do it's thing then come back and adjust. 
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited November 2015

    Now, that's comprehensive!

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989

    Now, that's comprehensive!

    I do get a little long winded at times. But I honestly do it with the best intentions. My father, God rest his soul, always told me that I didn't know when to shut up and that it would be my undoing someday. In this case, I hope that my father is wrong my friend. 

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,176
    Must be slow at the office @SGH
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989
    Must be slow at the office @SGH
    Right now it really is. Sadly about 1:00am they will be making tie-in welds and it will get busy as heck. I try to take advantage of the down time and answer questions on the forum and cut up with folks.  

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • When you finally figure it out, you'll be surprised how little air is required. Try this, after your fire is established, call it baseball to softball sized lump glowing, close the dome, when calibrated thermo hits 200, close bottom to credit card width and daisy with only petals slightly open. Leave the cyberq in the drawer. Go inside, come back in 45 min and check temp, go inside. Come back in 30 min, go inside. You'll be under 300. 
    Pretty good info right here along with what SGH said. I chased temps around at first but if you try this, it makes it look so simple. 
  • I haven't lit a fire in fewer than four places in years. Whether a 250° cook or 900°. Mapp torch at 12-4-8 and center. Always. DigiQ or not. If you shut down the air intake, you CANNOT have a hot fire.

    Sounds like too much air is coming from somewhere. Leaky lower vent perhaps?
    How do I check for leaky lower vent??
    Puyallup, WA, USA, Earth
    LBGE
    Realtor, Private Pilot, and Novice Egg Head
    Ready to Learn



  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    On your initial run up as you described in the first post, I would guess your ceramics were still heating up, still eating heat off of your fire.  This means when you think you're making small adjustments at 250 to hold at 275, the fire was likely still getting enough air for 300+ but you won't see that temp with a probe until the temp of the ceramic catches up to the temp of the air.  It's a big heat sink and the reason it takes sooo long to bring temps back down.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • Cookinbob
    Cookinbob Posts: 1,691
    I also say toss the fire starters.  I usually start my fires in s Weber chimney.  A few pieces of lump for low and slow, more for a hotter fire or a direct cook.  Once the liyt coals are dumped into the egg, I add the plate setter and grate and close the lid. I have no idea the size of the area of burning lump. I watch the thermometer (or my Maverick).  Keep in mind, you are not just heating the air in the egg, but also a lot of ceramic.  It really takes some time to truly stabilize, but you can start cooking as soon as the smoke clears.  Be patient, catch it on the way up.  Your temp will drop when you add food to the egg, be patient, it will recover and stabilize. 

    For a low and slow butt or brisket,plan to pull it and rest in foil/towel/cooler. .The finish time becomes unimportant ( as long as you are not late).  For a butt, don't hesitate to raise the temp to speed the finish - you really can't screw it up
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  • tarheelmatt
    tarheelmatt Posts: 9,867
    I read a little above, got to Scotties dissertation and quit.  

    My lighting and frustrations quickly diminished when I tossed using starter cubes and got a weed torch.  I light in one place with it and it's good to go.  
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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989
    I read a little above, got to Scotties dissertation and quit.  

    Brother Tar, I'm kind of hurt that you didn't read my book ;) Just kidding man, I do get a little long winded at times. 

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • Theophan
    Theophan Posts: 2,656
    First, sorry this has been a frustrating problem!

    Second, I use fire starters, have zero problems with temperature.  Switch to something else if you like, but not for this reason.  It's not the fire starters.

    I really think @SGH's reply nailed it.  And maybe the additional idea some have offered about how you might need to close the vents more after all of the ceramic has heated up, but I'm not sure how big an effect this is in real life.  I don't guess I've ever written it down, but it seems to me that within half an hour after reaching target temp I'm not adjusting vents much at all anymore.
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Others have already described the problems and offered some solutions but seeing the picture in your signature let me add  another analogy: you're experiencing pilot induced oscillations. So relax and don't fight it so hard. :)
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • Mikee
    Mikee Posts: 897

    Use the bottom vent to control the temperature. If the Egg is allowed to get up to and over 300* for a period of time, it's takes forever for it to drop back to 250-275*. On a hot sunny day, the amount of heat needed is very minimal and the Egg may never settle down unless you shut it down. I let my dome temp settle in at about 25* above my cook temperature before I put in the platesetter and the protein. Once the platesetter and meat are added, the temperature will drop. Eventually the temperature will rise. I leave the bottom vent and daisy wheel almost closed and let it go for 30-60 minutes and make a fine adjustment as needed.

  • Thanks everyone!! I tried out some tips from this post today and pretty well nailed 275° for 5+ hours.  Just made a new post... Thanks again!
    Puyallup, WA, USA, Earth
    LBGE
    Realtor, Private Pilot, and Novice Egg Head
    Ready to Learn