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Low Temperature control

Ive had my BGE about six weeks and the one thing Ive noticed is that its quite hard to keep the temperature at or below 225 degrees.I lknow about the electric fan controllers and such, but I'd rather try without one. Ive had the lower vent closed to as little as 1/8" and I cant't keep it down that low. I'm unsure of the upper vent settings. Will keeping it closed or nearly closed raise the temp, since you're not letting the heat out? I also have an aluminum chimney along with the daisy wheel, and I'm not sure what the difference between the two are.

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  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,877
    250 is about the lowest I can hit consistently.  I think anything lower than that and you're getting into cold-smoke territory anyway.  I don't generally need much lower than that.
    NOLA
  • dldawes1
    dldawes1 Posts: 2,208
    +1 ^^^^   I don't cook at less than 250*.  I can't imagine any better results than what I am already getting.

    Donnie Dawes - RNNL8 BBQ - Carrollton, KY  

    TWIN XLBGEs, 1-Beautiful wife, 1 XS Yorkie

    I'm keeping serious from now on...no more joking around from me...Meatheads !! 


  • SoCalTim
    SoCalTim Posts: 2,158
    Biggreennessy  , 225 is near impossible to hold unless your using a temp control device. 250 is lots easier ... I find 275 to be the 'sweet' spot on the lg egg. 275 will stick and hold all day long.

    Can I ask what your cooking that needs a 225 temp? Ribs?
    I've slow smoked and eaten so much pork, I'm legally recognized as being part swine - Chatsworth Ca.
  • DaveRichardson
    DaveRichardson Posts: 2,324
    Same here...  225 is tough to hold on my LGBE.  250-275 she settles in like a champ every time!  I'm on the fence on a fan controller, but that's not to get me lower in temp, its to maintain temps during the crazy a$$ weather we've been having here in Atanta with wind and rain nightly.  I've watched my temps jump 20-100 deg from the wind blowing across the chimney and wicking more air thru the draft door....

    LBGE since 2014

    Griffin, GA 

  • I did a 9 lb pork butt and smoked it overnight. Temp was 250 in the morning and it was done by noon. I was hoping to keep the temp lower and cook longer. Same with ribs. to me, low and slow is closer to 225 than 250 and up. 
  • 500
    500 Posts: 3,186
    Agreed that 275* is low enough.  Try and gauge where the wind is coming from and move the back of the Egg towards the wind.  That may help is keeping steady temps.
    I like my butt rubbed and my pork pulled.
    Member since 2009
  • Grillin_beers
    Grillin_beers Posts: 1,345
    I normally cant get mine to hold lower than 235.  I promise 250 will get you where you need to be. 
    1 large BGE, Spartanburg SC

    My dog thinks I'm a grilling god. 
  • 20stone
    20stone Posts: 1,961
    Ive had my BGE about six weeks and the one thing Ive noticed is that its quite hard to keep the temperature at or below 225 degrees....
    Cooking that low is like riding a bicycle (or flying a plane) slowly - You are always teetering on the edge of disaster.  Every little thing (new piece of lump catching, piece of ash dropping into the air flow...), causes the temp to fluctuate, and since at or below 225, you really have a fire that is barely lit, it is easy to go out.

    Back when I started, Elder Ward told me to cook my pork butt at 215 grid, which led to some frustration on my part when the fire would go out in the middle of a snowy night in Chicago.  I bought a Stoker 6 years ago to solve that issue, and haven't had any problems sense.

    Your options are to cook hotter, or to cave and buy a gadget that will breathe a little extra (or less) air adapting to the minor changes.

    Cooking lower, for me anyway, is now more about bragging rights (e.g., the 25 hour pork butt cook).  It also gives you a higher margin of error for doneness, though that is more than offset by the downside risk of your fire going out if you don't use a dirty cheating bit of electronica (like I do).

    On the other hand, you can just start cooking at 250, which is rock solid stable on most eggs and adjust your times accordingly.
    (now only 16 stone)

    Joule SV
    GE induction stove
    Gasser by the community pool (currently unavailable)
    Scale (which one of my friends refuses to use)
    Friends with BGEs and myriad other fired devices (currently unavail IRL)
    Occasional access to a KBQ and Webber Kettle
    Charcuterie and sourdough enthusiast
    Prosciuttos in an undisclosed location

    Austin, TX
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,597
    each egg is different, 1/8 may work on one at those temps but one of mine needs the vent closed by a third of that to hold 220, top vent closed to about a flat toothpick in thickness. in the old days we used to reference the bottom vent opened by the thickness of a credit card and start from there
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • SoCalTim
    SoCalTim Posts: 2,158
    @biggreennessy ... a pork butt is an excellent cook, since you finished earlier than expected, you could have FTC (foil - towel-cooler) your butt and held it for some 4 hrs. When you opened the cooler, it'll be piping hot!
    I've slow smoked and eaten so much pork, I'm legally recognized as being part swine - Chatsworth Ca.
  • dldawes1
    dldawes1 Posts: 2,208
    I did a 9 lb pork butt and smoked it overnight. Temp was 250 in the morning and it was done by noon. I was hoping to keep the temp lower and cook longer. Same with ribs. to me, low and slow is closer to 225 than 250 and up. 
    Can I ask why you want lower than 250 other than peace-of-mind that you can do it ?

    Donnie Dawes - RNNL8 BBQ - Carrollton, KY  

    TWIN XLBGEs, 1-Beautiful wife, 1 XS Yorkie

    I'm keeping serious from now on...no more joking around from me...Meatheads !! 


  • SoCalTim
    SoCalTim Posts: 2,158
    225 with no temp controller = a long night with NO SLEEP ...lol (I like my sleep)
    I've slow smoked and eaten so much pork, I'm legally recognized as being part swine - Chatsworth Ca.
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,597
    i should mention that ive never had problems with low temps, not hard to maintain temps below 175. i start with a small fire, and even though some will say it doesnt hurt to peek, peeking encourages the fire to grow at the really low temps. water in the pan will also help with low temps under 225 but is not necessary. wiggle rod poked to clear ash thru the lower vent is an absolute must
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • @SoCalTim , thats exactly what I did. I didn't serve until 7 hrs later and it was fine. @didawes1, I was assuming that 225 was just as attainable as 250 with no fan, I just thought that I wasn't having my settings correct.
  • dldawes1
    dldawes1 Posts: 2,208
    @SoCalTim , thats exactly what I did. I didn't serve until 7 hrs later and it was fine. @didawes1, I was assuming that 225 was just as attainable as 250 with no fan, I just thought that I wasn't having my settings correct.
    Some of the other folks do L&S at lower than 250. That is just what I stick with.
    I have eggsperienced and I think others will agree, that eggs sometimes have a 'sweetspot' that they will hold and stabilize at very comfortably.

    Mine is at 260-280. I have never had it stray once stabilized for an overnight. But.....I always use Rockwood lump !!!!  The best !!!!

    You'll see that there will be many "versions" of the perfect setup !!!!

    Donnie Dawes - RNNL8 BBQ - Carrollton, KY  

    TWIN XLBGEs, 1-Beautiful wife, 1 XS Yorkie

    I'm keeping serious from now on...no more joking around from me...Meatheads !! 


  • KSwoll
    KSwoll Posts: 129
    Another thing to keep in mind is the difference between the dome temp and the grate temp.  I have anywhere between 25 to 30 temp difference between grate and dome. That was determined with a calibrated dome thermometer and my BBQ Guru. I always go by my grate temp.
    XL, Large, Medium, and Mini Max
    Northern Virgina
  • Is the grate temp warmer or cooler?
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,597
    the grate temp is usually cooler for most of the cook if there is an indirect setup under the cooking grill, eventually as the meat heats up it gets closer to the dome temp. with a direct setup the opposite is true
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • KSwoll
    KSwoll Posts: 129
    The grate temp is cooler. It has something to do with the airflow circulating from the bottom up through the dome. I am no expert, lol. I think some of the other veterans out there might be able to elaborate a little more.
    XL, Large, Medium, and Mini Max
    Northern Virgina
  • aukerns08
    aukerns08 Posts: 253
    edited July 2015
    Grate temp would be warmer.   Here's a good explanation of why http://www.thermoworks.com/blog/2013/06/dome-temperature-grill-temperature/

    Edit: @fishlessman gave the better answer.  That's still a good article to read regarding temps.
    Large and Mini BGE

    Hamilton, VA
  • Great info from everyone. Thanks so much!
  • Slightly off topic, but still falls under temperature differences. I recently did an unintended eggsperiment that illuminated some of the difference between the grate guarded with plate setter and not. Using my FB 200 I was aiming for a grate of 250 and once I was there I removed the grate and plate setter to put in some smoking wood. When I put everything back I inadvertently clipped the grate probe outside of the plate setter. A few minutes later I checked and the grate reading was 290. By the time I figured out what I had done wrong the reading was 295. How much higher it would have gone I can not say, but when I changed the clip's position to reflect what the cooking surface for my pork butt was going to be the grate reading immediately dropped and within less than 2 minutes was registering my target temperature.
  • ferndchamp
    ferndchamp Posts: 152
    If it is on the best, one thing you can try is moving it away from the wind
  • Langner91
    Langner91 Posts: 2,120

    Sometimes, when I am trying to hold a low temperature, I put a layer of aluminum foil under the daisy wheel and poke a tiny little hole in it.  That seems to allow me to hold low temp better than just closing the daisy wheel.

    Clinton, Iowa
  • bboulier
    bboulier Posts: 558
    250 is definitely the sweet spot.
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
  • KSwoll said:
    Another thing to keep in mind is the difference between the dome temp and the grate temp.  I have anywhere between 25 to 30 temp difference between grate and dome. That was determined with a calibrated dome thermometer and my BBQ Guru. I always go by my grate temp.
    +1

    250 dome temp is likely in the neighborhood of 225* grate temp, you can verify with a decent ambient temperature probe. When you are looking for low and slow at 225* you want grid temp anyway as this is the temp that your meat is experiencing. 

    Also, make sure that you calibrate your dome temp gauge as they can very drastically. Mine was about 20* off on the low side so if I would've been shooting for 225* dome in this condition the actual temp would've been around 200 and I  would've been smothering the fire and struggled to keep it lit. Calibrating is easy by using the slots in a spatula to hold the gauge and submerging it in a pot of boiling water, adjust the temp accordingly too 100*C/212*F by making small adjustments to the nut on the back. 

    LBGE- Charleston, SC