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Raised?

when you all refer to raised direct or indirect is it raised to felt line or higher in the dome?   And how do you keep temps at 350 or so going direct when opening the lid makes the lump take off towards inferno....  I know direct is over fire n indirect is over a pan or platesetter.  The other 2 are the issues i deal with tryin to use the egg.  Discouraged egg user...  What am i doing wrong???

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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989
    Raised direct is anything raised higher than the standard grid height. Most usually raise to at least gasket level or even higher into the dome above the gasket level. This is true for both direct and indirect. As far as controlling the temp when opening the dome, try to get in and out fast. The longer it's open the hotter it will get. If you are going to have the dome open for more than a few seconds, reach down and close the bottom vent once you have the dome open. It will help a little to keep the fire from running away. It won't prevent it but it will slow it down. If you need to see it, I will post pics of raised direct and raised indirect. 

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    Raised means gasket level, more or less. Most of my cooks seem to be raised direct these days. 400° more often than not. When it stabilizes there, I put the food on. I may open the dome briefly from time to time to check meat temp, but the egg temp doesn't change much or for long. I don't really pay much attention to it. Open it, do what I gotta do, close it and walk away. If it was stable in the first place, it won't vary much.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Thanks carolina and sgh.  The other problem after opening lid and temps taking off is the acrid white smoke comes back after the closing lid snuffs out the fire.  How do you prevent that?
  • Theophan
    Theophan Posts: 2,656
    I've been Eggin' for a few years, now, have two BGEs (medium and large), LOVE cooking on the Eggs, ... and I have never raised my grid!  So many others here do it that I have to believe there's some benefit, and I may try it some day, but so far, I just haven't felt the need.  So please don't get the idea that if you don't raise the grid you're not going to be able to cook perfectly well!

    Second, if you could say a little more about exactly what you're cooking, how long the cook is, how often you're opening the dome, and what happens to the temperature, it might help somebody here to figure out what's going on.  I don't feel like opening the dome causes big temperature problems for me, but I might not be cooking whatever you're cooking.  Could you be more specific?

    Theo
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Mostly chicken thighs and legs n burgers Theophan.  Temps rocket towards inferno when i open the move food around to keep from sticking to grid.
  • danv23
    danv23 Posts: 964
    Raised.

    The DudeThis is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

    Walter SobchakNihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

    Cumming, GA
    Eggs - XL, L, Small
    Gasser - Blaze 5 Burner
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Its a large egg too.   Thanks
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989
    Here is a shot of both raised direct and indirect. The Woo raises the grid to gasket level. It can be used with the setter for indirect or without the setter for raised direct. Note: pay no attention to the Kingsford charcoal in the egg. 

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    How long do you wait for the temp to stabilize before you put the food on? It almost sounds like you just wait till it gets where you want it an then put the food on. VOCs still not burned off and temp not stable.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    I wait till it hits temp ... How long to wait for it to stabilize carolina?
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Thanks for the pics SGH!!!  I didnt see anything!  Lol.  Ur secret.   Good Lord Dan....  Awesome pic of some ribs
  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    You can also try using less lump on direct cooks to keep the inferno smaller. 

    As Michael said, get in, get out walk away and temp will come back. 

    I agree, you may not be letting it stabilize, also, how often are you peeking?  Relax and enjoy your cook. 
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Sounds like im peeking to much yolk....  This grill is ruining my wife for letting me use it :(  ...  How long after temp hits desired before i can start grilling and the voc's burned off?
  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    edited May 2015
    Put your hand in the smoke and smell it. If your hand smells like bad smoke, your food will too. 

    When you see that pretty blue almost clear smoke and the temp is holding steady, cook. 

    It really depends on your brand of lump how long that is. 
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Usually i use BGE lump.  Rare occasion RO.  Would like to try Rockwood.
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,989
    Grader07 said:
      Would like to try Rockwood.
    This will not disappoint^^^^^^^^^^.

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Do i wet the wood for smoking?  Or just throw it on?
  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    Just throw it in when you load your lump. It will smolder just like the lump. You still get the flavor even though you don't see the white wood smoke. 

    Where re are you located?
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Thanks SGH!  Gonna try it
  • danv23
    danv23 Posts: 964
    Grader07 said:
    Thanks for the pics SGH!!!  I didnt see anything!  Lol.  Ur secret.   Good Lord Dan....  Awesome pic of some ribs
    Here's today's spares after 3:10 @ 275.  Note, all i use are 2 bricks and my large bge grate. So you would need to scale down to terracotta feet of some sort and a smaller grid.  You get the idea.



    The DudeThis is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

    Walter SobchakNihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

    Cumming, GA
    Eggs - XL, L, Small
    Gasser - Blaze 5 Burner
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Im in Maryland yolk
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264
    Thank you Yolk.  A store is located just 8 miles from home :)
  • tjv
    tjv Posts: 3,846
    You might be looking to much.  going higher in the dome with the grid, you don't have as much tending to the food as you can have lower down in the cooker.   

    t


    www.ceramicgrillstore.com ACGP, Inc.
  • Theophan
    Theophan Posts: 2,656
    I doubt this is part of the problem, but it occurred to me that if you mostly used the top vent (daisy wheel or Smokeware cap) to control the fire and left the bottom vent much more wide open, that might cause a bigger rush of air to the fire when you open the dome.  I imagine you're closing both top and bottom vents a fair bit, so that's probably not it, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning.

    If I have the dome open for very long, like if I'm turning a whole bunch of things, the fire does ramp up some, but I figure it slows down again when I close the dome.  I just cooked a couple of chicken breasts this evening, though almost certainly at a lower temp than you're cooking burgers, and I paid more attention to the thermometer than I usually do when I opened it, and it stayed rock steady at 350, only going down a bit, briefly, when I opened it.
  • SMITTYtheSMOKER
    SMITTYtheSMOKER Posts: 2,668
    I like using a raised grid direct with chicken, helps eliminating flare ups.

    (SGH uses Kingsford in his Egg...say it ain't so.:))

     

    -SMITTY     

    from SANTA CLARA, CA

  • bi11fish
    bi11fish Posts: 36
    I use raised direct just because it makes it easier to deal with the food!  :)
  • Grader07
    Grader07 Posts: 264