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MBGE questions

Hey gang..thinking of selling my KJ Classic (as it's way too big for 99% of what we cook) and getting a Medium BGE.  Sooo..had a few quick questions for Medium owners:

- Since there's no Adjustable Rig for the MBGE, what do you guys use for raised direct?  Is there a good "off the shelf" product I could get, or do I have to do something quirky (I've seen some MBGE people use bolts to raise a second grid like from a Weber or something..)

- With raised direct, does a 3lb spatched chick fit?

- Does the MBGE get up to temp quicker than the LBGE?  If so, how much faster?  (I hate waiting for the KJ to get to temp - takes a looooong time to get all that ceramic up to temp)

- Does the MBGE "really" burn a lot less lump than the LBGE?  I get that impression from reading here but am curious to confirm that..

- Do the eggs come with the high heat (Nomex?) gasket now?  (Thought I read something about that at one point)

- I've seen a lot of posts lately about under/overbite.  Assuming I buy from a good dealer..what's the odds of having to hassle with this?

Thanks for any / all replies!  We barely use the KJ and instead cook almost everything on the Mini..and I would probably use the MBGE a LOT more than the KJ if it comes to temp faster and uses less lump..


Mini BGE, KJ Classic - Black, Cookshack SM025, Weber Gasser (mostly for Kamado storage!)

Comments

  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,681
    I love my medium.  It is my go to for quick weekday cooks.

    I use a CGS Woo2 with 10" stone for indirect and remove the stone for raised direct.

    Gasket is typical felt style on BGE.

    I get to temp in about 15 minutes.  I use a weedburner though.

    It is a lump miser.  Way less than my XL.  High heat it does ok, but on low&slow I swear it makes lump.

    I would recommend it highly, but I don't know what you like to do.  I love my XL too.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    edited May 2015
    Have a MBGE, 2011 vintage. It is a lump miser compared to the LBGE based on conversations with large owners. Can’t speak to a direct comparison as I don’t have a large. 
    Gaskets are high temp at my local dealer, lots of choice for after market gaskets and High Que makes a grate - which I like. I use a setter, 5# spatched chicken is no problem, I’ve parted out three (about 3# each). Have done a 12# turkey and 10# butt. 
    US ribs run to the large size, they sometimes are too long, so I split them in half to keep them from hanging over the edge of the setter. 
    Pizza, I use a13” stone which sits about 1” above the felt line, works just fine. For raised direct I used fire bricks that sat on the fire ring with the grid at the felt line. As most of our cooks were smaller, just the two of us, I use a Grill Dome rack I picked up on clearance for $15. 
    I have never had an alignment issue, been true since she was born. 
    Less ceramic mass so I think you will find the heat up shorter. 
    Good luck with the decision process. 
    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    Here is the grill dome, which I use for reverse sear..
    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • Theophan
    Theophan Posts: 2,656
    My wife gave me a Medium a number of years ago, and a Large the next year.  I love them both, consider the Large very much more versatile, but most of the time I'm just cooking for the two of us so I use the Medium very much more than the Large.  And yes, I've done many spatchcock chickens in my Medium (but I think you can fit two in a large, but only one in a Medium).  I don't know what a KJ Classic is, but I have to say I felt a bit limited when the Medium was the largest Egg I had.  I love it, and it's what I use by far the most.  But sometimes I just need a larger grilling area.  I love having both a Large and a Medium, have used one or the other, and have used both at once when I needed even more than the Large.  If I were cooking even just a whole lotta burgers for company, the Medium is pretty small.  I don't cook ribs very often, but the Large is better suited for ribs.  I really love the Medium, but I'm really not sure I'd want it to be the largest BGE I had.  If I were choosing between only a Medium or only a Large, I'd probably go with the Large, even though most of the time its my Medium that I cook with.

    I have never tried to estimate how much less charcoal the Medium uses, but if you just go into a store and visually compare the area and volume of where you'd put the charcoal on a Large or a Medium, it'll be clear that the Medium is a lot smaller.  But I have no idea how to translate that even into a guess on how much money one might save in one or the other.

    I've never really paid much attention to how long they take to get up to temp, and I would have thought about the same amount of time.  The large has more volume and more ceramic to heat, but it also has a larger fire.  I might be wrong, but if there's a difference, I doubt it's huge.  With both of them I tend to light it and then set a timer for 15-20 minutes to go out and see how it's doing, adjust as needed.

    And I've been resisting the urge most of us guys have to accessorize to the max.  I have a plate setter for each Egg, a Thermapen, and a Maverick (I think it is) thermometer with an indoor unit to tell me the temps, but no AR, no Woo, no spider, no bricks, no temperature-regulated blower fan.  There is a Woo ring for the Medium that will take the grid to the level of the opening.  I keep thinking about trying it because so many people here talk about raised direct, but I'm so happy with things the way they are that I just haven't ever quite had the incentive to order one.

    And I imagine dealers are variable, but surely you'd have the right to insist that the dealer set it up right, and if there's an overbite, to fix it.  I've never had a problem with my dealer.  They delivered the Eggs all set up, and they were set up properly.

    Theo
  • bboulier
    bboulier Posts: 558
    I have had a medium egg for about 4 years and bought a KJ Classic with the divide and conquer (D&C) system last fall.  Mostly I cook for my wife and myself, with larger cooks on the weekend when children and grandchildren come by.  It sounds like our situations are similar.  I cook about equally on the MBGE & the Classic.

    Like Ozzie_Isaac,  I use a CGS Woo2 with 10" stone for indirect cooking and remove the stone for raised direct.  You will have no problem cooking a 3 lb. (or larger) spatchcock chicken with this rig.

    The MBGE comes up to temp and burns off VOC's  faster than the Classic.  The time differences are not large.  More important is what charcoal you use.  The MBGE is much, much more efficient in burning charcoal.

    As far as I know the felt gasket is still standard.  I replaced mine with a Rutland last year.  No problems with over or under bite.

    I highly recommend the medium egg.  I added the KJ Classic because of the D&C system.  It adds the flexibility of cooking both indirect and direct at the same time and makes reverse sears for steaks or chops much easier.  Also, there are times when I want (need) to cook for large crowds.  In March, I smoked pork shoulders and cooked wings for my grandchildren's joint birthday party (about 45 attendees).  Could not have done that without the addition of the KJ Classic to my arsenal.  My advice:  Add the medium egg and keep the Classic.
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
  • SmokyBear
    SmokyBear Posts: 389
    Thanks, guys!!  MUCH appreciated!

    @bboulier - that's awesome that you have both..one of my big issues with the KJ is how much lump it burns.  Any idea why the MBGE is so much more fuel efficient?  (Better ceramics?  Size?  Airflow?)  If the MBGE truly is a "lot" more efficient, that's a big issue for me as I'm spending about $2 in lump every meal on the KJ - and while that's not a lot, it does bug me that it costs that much to cook even a few burgers..

    I use a CGS AR on my KJ to raise spatch chicks very high in the dome - haven't had much luck getting even remotely crispy skin, so maybe it doesn't matter..but I wonder how to raise beyond felt line for spatch to a comparable height of the KJ w/the CGS AR and if it would still fit at that point?

    @Theophan - good point on the Large having a bigger fire so probably taking around the same time to get up to temp as the MBGE with a smaller fire..

    @Skiddymarker - cool raised grid.  Do you have bolts or something it sits on, or does it come that way?

    @Ozzie_Issac - good to hear that the MBGE is a lump miser..I'd do mostly normal direct and indirect cooks (burgers, steaks, pork tenderloin, etc) as I have a Cookshack smoker for all my smoking needs (brisket, pulled pork, ribs, etc).

    We do 99.999% of our cooks for just the two of us as we don't do much entertaining.  Occasionally (2-4 times a year) it'll be more, but I can't see spending big chunks of cash on lump to heat a LBGE size kamado when all we "need" is for the two of us.  The Mini we have is great - but it's a challenge even moving two 5 oz burgers around on that tiny little 10'' grid most of the time.  If I cook a steak or a chunk of swordfish it's great, but I curse the size of the Mini often also and want 'something' bigger - that doesn't take forever to come up to temp and burn gobs of lump in the process, so the MBGE seems like a good choice.

    I'm leaning toward selling the KJ - my neighbor said he'd be interested at one point but unless he wants it I'm probably stuck with it as I don't want people coming over to the house and seeing what all is on my deck if I put an ad on Craigslist or something like that..

    Thanks for all the help guys..
    Mini BGE, KJ Classic - Black, Cookshack SM025, Weber Gasser (mostly for Kamado storage!)
  • SmokyBear
    SmokyBear Posts: 389
    edited May 2015
    @bboulier - PS: a big part of the reason I bought the KJ is the D&C system.  Funny - I've almost never used it.  I THOUGHT I'd be able to light a fire in half of the firebox (using a divider) and only need to use half the lump (or so I thought) - but there's so much ceramic to heat that this never really wound up working the way I thought it would.  (My theory is that half a firebox full of lump just is nowhere near enough to heat all that massive ceramic)..

    I also liked the pull out ash drawer, but now have a Cheetah Ash Vac that I use even AFTER I empty it - so no real net benefit to the drawer as I still pull out the vac every time anyway.

    The other two things leading me toward trying to sell the KJ is the "DFMT" top and how there's nothing equivalent to a rain cap.  I have a nice cover for the SS table that holds the KJ and Mini, and the lever on the "DFMT" top is always poking at my cover and looks like it could rip through at any time.  Having a flat rain cap (ala BGE) would solve that.

    I also thought that the pull out ash drawer would be a pretty safe guard against sparks or hot embers getting out of the firebowl, but there's enough "play" (gap) to either vertical side of the drawer that there's a chance (albeit probably very remote) that something 'could' pop out - and being on a raised wood deck, that could be not good.

    Anyway..I'm leaning toward doing the swap but will have to see if neighbor guy is still interested.  He has 2 kids and does a lot of entertaining so it'd be perfect size for them..
    Mini BGE, KJ Classic - Black, Cookshack SM025, Weber Gasser (mostly for Kamado storage!)
  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    edited May 2015
    Have you checked to see if the BGE rain cap fits the KJ? I'm sure between the MBGE, LBGE and XLBGE one of them might do the trick. 
    The medium grill dome extender is self standing, it only is a 13" grid diameter, with the splayed feet it is 16" wide so it will sit right on the fire ring of a MBGE. I don't think they make it anymore, probably why I got it for $15. There is a large, which has a 15" diameter grid - you could bend the feet in to make it fit a medium I suppose, 

    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • bboulier
    bboulier Posts: 558
    @SmokyBear I don't know why the MBGE is much more efficient in burning charcoal than the KJ  Classic - whether it's the size, the ceramics, the tightness of the chimney cap, etc.  It would be nice to have a comparison of the large Egg and the KJ Classic.  That comparison would hold size constant.

    I also find that it is easier to control the temperature on the MBGE, but that may mostly be due to experience.

    I use the D&C when I cook indirect and direct at the same time or indirect followed by direct (e.g., a reverse sear).  I have an Ash Dragon divider kindly cut down by Kurt Schwab to fit the KJ Classic.  I always leave that in place, but I almost never light charcoal on only one side.

    I have a chimney cap that fits over the top of the Egg when it rains.  Cheap and works well.   Highly recommended.  
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
  • anton
    anton Posts: 1,813
    I love my medium, here are the answers to your questions

    1. woo/ with stone 10"
    2. yes
    3.yes, much faster.
    4.yes, 5 lbs fits in mine when empty, and it will usually do 2 cooks +
    5.no
    6. slim.
     Using a MBGE,woo/w stone,livin' in  Hayward California," The Heart Of The Bay "
  • SMITTYtheSMOKER
    SMITTYtheSMOKER Posts: 2,668
    One advantage of the Large over Medium debate is the amount of accessories available for the L compared to the M.  Large being the best selling size, compared to the Medium being the model that sells the least.

    Re: Underbite...I don't see this as a "good dealer vs bad dealer" situation.  The metal bands on the BGE will stretch under heat and can loosen if not kept tight over time starting after the first few cooks.  Once the new Egg owner realizes his role in the after purchase maintenance things are usually back on track.  That's my 2¢.   

     

    -SMITTY     

    from SANTA CLARA, CA

  • bettysnephew
    bettysnephew Posts: 1,191
    Another XL/M owner here with only two of us at home. We bought the XL first and have no regrets as it is great when a big group cook is planned. We also use it for doing several racks of ribs or pork butts and then vac seal and freeze for those times when it is too cold, snowy or just plain inhospitable for outside activity in the winter. The Medium does get used more these days for the cooks for the two of us and works well to split a single rack of ribs and couple of yams. (My wife's favorite Egg meal.) You will like the Medium for two I am sure, but it is a little limiting if cooking full meals for many more than two unless you get creative with the space available.
    A poor widows son.
    See der Rabbits, Iowa
  • bboulier
    bboulier Posts: 558
    I would like to see a good comparison of fuel efficiency of the KJ Classic vs. the Large BGE.  With little evidence, I would think the BGE is more efficient than the KJ Classic.  However, I would doubt that the present value of the fuel savings on a fully equipped large BGE would equal the cost savings on a comparable  KJ Classic.
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
  • BYS1981
    BYS1981 Posts: 2,533
    I have a medium and an XL, recently I have only been filling half of the XL and using it that way for indirect. I bought the XL after the medium and my thinking was for group cooks I need more real estate. 
  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    @bboulier - wondered why you might think the BGE might be more fuel efficient than a same sized KJ? Both grills are ceramic and with the same grid diameter, they have virtually the same space and ceramic mass to heat. I think they are within 10% of being the same weight, KJ being heavier. That tells me the BGE would stabilize sooner, the KJ might retain heat better. 
    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • SmokyBear
    SmokyBear Posts: 389
    I've wondered this same thing (fuel efficiency KJ vs BGE)..

    I did an indirect spatch the other night with 2.5 lbs (yes, I weigh it - that's the only way I found to ensure I have "enough" in my firebox to get to the right height) and after 60 minutes the lump was pretty much GONE and had dwindled to nothing.

    Lump was a combination of those monster size FOGO pieces, OO and RO.  The fact the FOGO didn't even make it through an hour long cook was disconcerting..I can see the RO..but Fogo?

    I was pushing the KJ pretty hard with the top and bottom vents all the way open, just to stay at 400'ish indirect.  So, that may have contributed to the rapid lump burn.

    I do get the impression (just based on reading about everyone's experiences here) that the KJ is less fuel efficient than the LBGE.  Not sure why that would be, but "seems" like it's the case.
    Mini BGE, KJ Classic - Black, Cookshack SM025, Weber Gasser (mostly for Kamado storage!)
  • ksmyrl
    ksmyrl Posts: 1,050
    @SmokyBear a tad OT here but if you can get the KJ Classic in the truck and leave it there while you list it you could meet the Craigslist Crazies (a term I came up with while selling a waverunner) at your local police station. I've sold a few things recently on CL and you'd be amazed at how many folks suddenly lose interest when you tell them "let's meet at the Sheriff's office". Our local sheriff is great about this. I sold a car for nearly $20,000 recently, dude asked if I would take cash. I called the Sheriff's office to let them know I had a large cash transaction and could we do it in their parking lot. Not only did they say yes, they had an officer come outside and watch the transaction for me. Made both me and the buyer feel much more comfortable. This may not work depending on your vehicle and parking situation at home, just a thought.

    I'm also in the market for a MBGE to compliment my LBGE, especially on weeknight, family only cooks.
    Fish, Hunt, Cook....anything else?

    1LBGE, 1MMBGE, somewhere near Athens GA
  • bboulier
    bboulier Posts: 558
    @Skiddymarker The two grills should have roughly the same efficiency based on the ceramics and sizes, but there are other variables in play - tightness of the gaskets, airflows, no ceramic cap after the cook is over, etc.  Like @SmokyBear I have the feeling that the KJ Classic burns up charcoal more rapidly.  I am always surprised at how much charcoal the KJ burns.
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    @bboulier - thanks for the perspective, interesting. My MBGE shuts down at pretty much the same speed with either the rain cap or the DFMT, it is tightness of the bottom vent that will let lump burn longer, IMO. In fact, the rain cap does not fit as well as the DFMT. Obviously you have to assume the gaskets in both cases are tight. 
    I can comment on the Primo 775 large oval, it does seem to burn fuel as good or better than my MBGE, and the Primo is 20% larger than a LBGE. Go figure. 

    Would be interesting to see a test of all kamados. 

    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,681
    the Nakedwhiz.com has compared the LBGE and the KJClassic.  They concluded they are both equally efficient i.e. should burn lump at the same rate.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • clifkincaid
    clifkincaid Posts: 572
    Just buy the MBGE...be happy..cooks great...you'll be happy..I love my recent purchase. ..the kick ash basket...huge difference. Love it.
  • ads75
    ads75 Posts: 391
    Just a guess, but if you want the medium to save on burning excessive lump, how much lump do you have to burn through before it makes economic sense to justify the medium? My opinion would to keep what you have, unless you sell to the neighbor.
    Large BGE, Mini BGE
    Morgantown, PA