Rutland Gasket and XL BGE

Central_Bama_Egger · June 2013

what size Rutland gasket needs to be bought for my dads XLBGE? He bought an 84" but has done some research saying he needs to compress it... so he's a bit worried that its the wrong size.

any experience with this? thanks in advance

bigphil · June 2013

i think you need about 9 feet but not 100 percent sure

Carolina Q · June 2013

Don't know, but 84 is what you need for a large if he's compressing it. You could always email RRP through greeneggers. He's been selling them for years.

Little Steven · June 2013

There is an explanation Ron did on sizing, compressing and marking the gasket on TNW's site

Charlie tuna · June 2013

RRP has this down to a science -- sold "at cost" well over 800 gasket kits. He has sold me three of them, and after installing them according to his included instructions i had to trim about an inch off of the end for it to match up to the other end of the gasket. Another advantage is the cushioning effect the Rutland has due to it's thickness.

ChokeOnSmoke · June 2013

84" is not long enough to do it in one piece. I used 94" on my XL. You can't get one that long in a kit. Do what Charlie tuna says and get it from RRP "on the other forum". Also, make sure you don't use the "adhesive" that comes in the Rutland kit, use Permatex Ultra Copper -- you can get it at any auto store for $6.00 or so.

Little Steven · June 2013

Charlie tuna said:

RRP has this down to a science -- sold "at cost" well over 800 gasket kits. He has sold me three of them, and after installing them according to his included instructions i had to trim about an inch off of the end for it to match up to the other end of the gasket. Another advantage is the cushioning effect the Rutland has due to it's thickness.

Yeah but watch what happens if you don't pay him! My wife wasn't in the office to do a US cheque for him and he had already talked to Vito and Rocky about breaking my legs

bigphil · June 2013

@ChokeOnSmoke why not use what comes in the kit ? isn't that good up to 2000 degree's

ChokeOnSmoke · June 2013

bigphil said:

@ChokeOnSmoke why not use what comes in the kit ? isn't that good up to 2000 degree's

I've seen tons of reviews over the years and many said not to use it. Stike had the best argument why not to use it:

"it's water based. the ceramic sucks the water out, and can cause it to eventually cleave off in one piece. it's designed for steel, which doesn't draw out the water (and being water based, it's required for the cure). the permatex is 'only' rated to 700, but your rim never gets to 700 anyway. it is pretty viscous, and sticks perfectly."

BOWHUNR · June 2013

Have Rutland's with Ultra Copper on all four of my eggs. Purchased every one of them from RRP, cut to length and ready to go. The Ultra Copper has held up to pizza cooks and a couple cleaning burns that buried my 1000* TEL-TRU.

Mike

chukknob · June 2013

I have one installed with the factory glue that comes in the box for two years. It's holding up fine. As long as the adhesive is fresh in the container I don't see why it can't be used long term. My 2 cents.

nolaegghead · June 2013

BOWHUNR said:

Have Rutland's with Ultra Copper on all four of my eggs. Purchased every one of them from RRP, cut to length and ready to go. The Ultra Copper has held up to pizza cooks and a couple cleaning burns that buried my 1000* TEL-TRU.

Mike

Mike, bought mine on Amazon, but same stuff everywhere. I did the exactly thang on my medium about a month ago. Solid install, feel like it'll last for years.

bigphil · June 2013

@ChokeOnSmoke guess I'll find out I used the black Rutland adhesive set really fast . I guess if it peels off I'll use the permatex next time . Lesson learned . Thanks

GlennM · June 2013

Can someone post a link so I can find rrp? I need a gasket.

The Naked Whiz · June 2013

Ron Pratt hangs out at the www.greeneggers.com forum. If you post there, he will contact you.

cortguitarman · June 2013

I bought 9' for my XL. I can vouch for the Rutland cement not working. I used the Rutland cement to attach a nomex gasket. It fell off in the middle of a pizza cook and burned in half. Nomex is great, but can't withstand sitting in a charcoal inferno. After the nomex burned off I put on a Rutland with permatex. Use the 3m sanding disc attached to your drill to clean the rim. It works great. The naked Whiz's site has great instructions. I used a sawzall blade to spread the permatex.

bigphil · June 2013

May be I'll be okay my large is mostly used for low and slow and cooks at 450 and below my XL does all the pizza and high temp cooks .if not I now know better for the next time .

Thatgrimguy · June 2013

I don't understand using permatex to attach something else.. It's already a gasket by itself. Why the need for more gasket?

The Naked Whiz · June 2013

Thatgrimguy said:

I don't understand using permatex to attach something else.. It's already a gasket by itself. Why the need for more gasket?

Permatex can be used as an adhesive or a gasket maker. Some folks do use it to actually make a gasket. I have a web page about doing that. But I would say it is easier to use it as an adhesive to glue some rutland on that to go through the process of making a gasket.

six_egg · June 2013

I read some where Rutland gaskets should not be used around food. There was a post on this forum about it. I was going to buy one until I read the post. I went with nomex. link here Rutland

YEMTrey · June 2013

Finished cleaning the base of my XL Egg tonight. Gonna put the Rutland on in the morning. The Pumice stone that Ron suggested worked like a charm.

bigphil · June 2013

bigphil said:

May be I'll be okay my large is mostly used for low and slow and cooks at 450 and below my XL does all the pizza and high temp cooks .if not I now know better for the next time .

Next time is here less than a month . i wasn't okay did a rib cook yesterday and this morning opened my LBGE and the gasket fell off .My LBGE doesn't see over 400/450 and hasn't seen that temp since i installed the gasket luckily it came off in one piece and the rutland glue flaked off the gasket . off to pep boys for some permatex

homebrewtim · January 2014

Gents,

I have a Large BGE than I am getting ready to install a Rutland Gasket on according the the instructions on The NakedWhiz. I have Stove Cement that came with the gasket and Permtex Ultra Copper Silicone Sealant. I am planning to use the Permatex. It will be 30F and sunny today. Can I install it in that weather? My lid and base are clean (3M wheel and pumice stone rock).

Thanks!

RRP · January 2014

homebrewtim said:

Gents,

I have a Large BGE than I am getting ready to install a Rutland Gasket on according the the instructions on The NakedWhiz. I have Stove Cement that came with the gasket and Permtex Ultra Copper Silicone Sealant. I am planning to use the Permatex. It will be 30F and sunny today. Can I install it in that weather? My lid and base are clean (3M wheel and pumice stone rock).

Thanks!

I posed the curing question to the manufacturer of Permatex Ultra Copper and their technical reply was that yes you can apply it at temperatures between 20 and 30F though the ideal temperature is between 50 and 80F. Silicones such as Permatex are moisture cured so temperatures above and below these ranges remove that element. Curing occurs in 24 hours. If you are able to warm surfaces to at least the 40 to 50F range that will help for better bonding across the surfaces.

homebrewtim · January 2014

What do you think about starting a low fire to cure per NakedWhiz instructions for gasket install using Rutland cement?

RRP · January 2014

homebrewtim said:

What do you think about starting a low fire to cure per NakedWhiz instructions for gasket install using Rutland cement?

I'd rather have had a low fire in the first place to get the ceramic warmed up before application. Of course that means you should have cleaned your old gasket off first. I also recommend you keep the Permatex inside before application. A firs then after application is ok but don't plan to cut the 24 hours short as with heat or not it needs 24 hours to properly cure. BTW those instructions you are reading on TNW site are summarized from my written instructions...yup, I'm the same RRP

homebrewtim · January 2014

Awesome...thanks. I should have warmed up the BGE I think, but its done. Its siting outside in 27F cold dry air and will cure 3-days before I need to cook. Lid is stilll off 'cuz Permatex is still a little moist. Planning a maybe a 1-2 hour low fire Friday, empty. Then planning to smoke this weekend. Got a little Permatex on the inside of the egg, but I assume it'll burn off.

RRP · January 2014

When you get some Permatex slopped inside or out your best bet is to leave it alone - Do NOT try to wipe it off - let it cure and then using a sharp blade trim it off. While some may have penetrated the ceramic pores that won't be an issue but smearing when it was wet just spreads it. Now if there are any loose "hairs" on the gasket just take your butane fire starter and they will burn off. I am curious though why you left the dome open? With it closed while curing you have a uniform pressure which eliminates any hills.

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