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Rutland or Nomex?
Does anyone have pros and cons of the Rutland over the Nomex, or Nomex over the Rutland.
Is there any other kinds out there? If so, how is there performance?
Just seeking some guidance.
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I think you would be better off to compare Rutland vs Contronics. The Rutland is Superior to Nomex for high hear wear and tear. Nomex is better than the felt but no where near as heat resistant compared to the Rutland and Contronics gaskets.2x Kamado Joe Big Joes + Cyber Q Wifi + Themapen - Pizza Steel + BGE Paella Pan + BGE Ash Tools + Woo2 + Open Bar Fire Ring
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i didn't find one side was good enough for the nomex on my XL - may work fine on a large. the self adhesive came off during my first cook - reapplied with 3m super 77 and it was fine for about a year. i moved on to a rutland after that.
if you decide to go with nomex fred has a pretty good video on installing it on his website. http://www.fredsmusicandbbq.com/category_s/230.htm
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Been very happy with the Rutland on my XL. $13 for the gasket, $6 for the Permatex Ultra Copper and it should last a very long time...
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I think the Naked Whiz has some excellent articles on gasket options for your egg. I think you should be able to find the information your looking for on his site including installation directions.2x Kamado Joe Big Joes + Cyber Q Wifi + Themapen - Pizza Steel + BGE Paella Pan + BGE Ash Tools + Woo2 + Open Bar Fire Ring
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I am very happy with my rutland!Cheers! Shawn My Blog: http://hrmcreativebbq.blogspot.com/ My Dads Custom Handles Blog http://dannyscarvings.blogspot.com
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If you aren't doing pizzas the Nomex is fine. The Nomex has issues with high heat over an extended period of time like when you keep the egg at 700 for 30 minutes to warm up the stone. I have had Nomex last several high heat cooks but it eventually gets them. I have a large with no gasket for high heat and a large with a Nomex for low and slows and the Nomex has held up fine. If you plan on doing pizzas do ahead and get the Rutland.
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Cotronics 395 is self adhesive. The only draw backs is you need a minimum order of $75.00. Plus shipping up here to Alaska is through the roof. Im thinking about buying a couple of Cotronics, and sell the rest.
Cotronics customer support/sales was outstanding this morning. They answered all of my questions and gave me options for shipping.
For those of you that have or are using Cotronics, is there any shrinkage like the Nomex?
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you can get the 5/8" rutland for $10.00 at your local Rona and at any fireplace dealer if in canada and the Pentax Copper Gasket for $6.00 at your local Walmart.Cheers! Shawn My Blog: http://hrmcreativebbq.blogspot.com/ My Dads Custom Handles Blog http://dannyscarvings.blogspot.com
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I don't think the Adhesive backed gaskets are a great idea. They are easier to install but many people have posted complaints about the adhesive coming lose within months of installing the gasket.
I would think you'd be better off using a separate adhesive.2x Kamado Joe Big Joes + Cyber Q Wifi + Themapen - Pizza Steel + BGE Paella Pan + BGE Ash Tools + Woo2 + Open Bar Fire Ring -
I put a Rutland on back in January..its held up fine...GL
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What is the actual length needed for a large egg?
In all the posts I've read, I hadn't seen that.
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Not sure who you are talking to squeezy but this is what you need to do a large. You need the tape not the rope and make sure you read about the install on the naked whiz site (Thanks RRP) because you don't just lay it on you have to push it back and kind of bunch it up or it's not thick enough to seal completly. http://www.amazon.com/Rutland-Inc-Gasket-Tape-95-6/dp/B000MIPB6S/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1319030905&sr=8-10 . As far as the coltronics self adhesive if you call the company they don't recommend the self adhesive for the egg it will not stick according to the engineer I spoke to. They said to get their regular tape and use 3m super 77.
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You'll need about 7 feet for the Large, 9 feet for the XL (depending how much you "bunch" it). Make sure you get the "flat", not the "rope". Use Permatex Ultra Copper to "glue" it on.What is the actual length needed for a large egg?
In all the posts I've read, I hadn't seen that.
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If anyone is willing to go in on a group buy or something for Cotronics 395, I'm in. I'm in Canada so the shipping charge to here is quite pricey. Canadian group buy??
I really need to change my gasket soon, there isn't much left and winter is coming. I was considering Rutland as a last result only because it's easily available here. I mostly concerned about the warning from Rutland it's not recommended to use it in the egg and because of the vapors it can give out at high heat.
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Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg.
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If anyone is willing to go in on a group buy or something for Cotronics 395, I'm in. I'm in Canada so the shipping charge to here is quite pricey. Canadian group buy??
I really need to change my gasket soon, there isn't much left and winter is coming. I was considering Rutland as a last result only because it's easily available here. I mostly concerned about the warning from Rutland it's not recommended to use it in the egg and because of the vapors it can give out at high heat.I'm also in Canada and even though I'm not in need of a gasket at this time, I am with you on a group buy. Can you give me an idea of cost? Perhaps you could start another 'thread" on this..... to target us Kenuckians that may want one ...
It may attract more ...
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I sent them an email asking for a price. Their reply below:
Your assumption would be incorrect; the adhesive backing on the 397-81PS and the 395-81PS is meant more to hold the material in place while you use a high temperature sealant to do the job. The adhesive backing will melt off at around 250°-300°F, and is inadequate for your use.
Seems a bit pricey, even for a group buy, especially when each person in the buy would need the adhesive.
Most of the customers who inquire about fixing the Big Green Egg have had success using our standard 395-81 ($39.55) and our 907GF adhesive (the 907GF-1 is priced at $38.95).
Please keep in mind that orders to Canada are subject to a $25 Canadian Foreign Handling fee. We do not quote shipping, but can ship these items to you via UPS ground. -
Rona in canada has the rutland kits for $11 and walmart has the pantex copper gasket maker for $6 which you use for the adhesive.Cheers! Shawn My Blog: http://hrmcreativebbq.blogspot.com/ My Dads Custom Handles Blog http://dannyscarvings.blogspot.com
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jasper, the rutland doesn't give off any vapors at high heat. it's not been tested for use around food, that's all. being fiberglass, some have assumed the fibers could get into food. again, though, that hasn't been tested.
i don't know if the coltronics has been tested either. and it's ceramic fiber (rutland is glass fiber).
i don't understand how some can dismiss the rutland as dangerous (being friable fiber), whiule the coltronic is a similar fiber too.
b/t/w, none of the concern is that there is poison in the gasket, it's that small fibers could be inhaled and cause irritation or, if you ask some folks, a long lingering painful death by asbestosis or pneumonia.
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I sent them an email asking for a price. Their reply below:
Your assumption would be incorrect; the adhesive backing on the 397-81PS and the 395-81PS is meant more to hold the material in place while you use a high temperature sealant to do the job. The adhesive backing will melt off at around 250°-300°F, and is inadequate for your use.
Seems a bit pricey, even for a group buy, especially when each person in the buy would need the adhesive.
Most of the customers who inquire about fixing the Big Green Egg have had success using our standard 395-81 ($39.55) and our 907GF adhesive (the 907GF-1 is priced at $38.95).
Please keep in mind that orders to Canada are subject to a $25 Canadian Foreign Handling fee. We do not quote shipping, but can ship these items to you via UPS ground.
Sounds rediculous " a foreign handling fee" ... that says to me, that they can't be bothered with us, but if we insist ... get your wallet out.I'm out!
Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg. -
jasper, the rutland doesn't give off any vapors at high heat. it's not been tested for use around food, that's all. being fiberglass, some have assumed the fibers could get into food. again, though, that hasn't been tested.
i don't know if the coltronics has been tested either. and it's ceramic fiber (rutland is glass fiber).
i don't understand how some can dismiss the rutland as dangerous (being friable fiber), whiule the coltronic is a similar fiber too.
b/t/w, none of the concern is that there is poison in the gasket, it's that small fibers could be inhaled and cause irritation or, if you ask some folks, a long lingering painful death by asbestosis or pneumonia.
How much fiber is going to be liberated to find it's way into our food and lungs .... really?Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg. -
After all this debate ... juat what is the best gasket as pertains to longevity and cost?
I'd also like to more about that I believe it was liquid copper or something?
Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg. -
The Rutland kit for 11 bucks is looking pretty good for me.
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Squeezy check out this link about the copper gasket. I am thinking about this myself.
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What about the high-q gasket?
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Link?
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Just looked at the high que gasket for the XL, looks like an easy install. Has anybody tried it? How long does it last and will it actually stand up to searing steaks at 650-700 deg f?
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Just looked at the high que gasket for the XL, looks like an easy install. Has anybody tried it? How long does it last and will it actually stand up to searing steaks at 650-700 deg f?
What is the high que gasket?
Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg. -
Squeezy check out this link about the copper gasket. I am thinking about this myself.
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/gasketsafety/permatex.htm
I looked that over yesterday and it looks like it could get messy ... also although Canadian Tire has many Permatex products, they didn't have this one listed ...Never eat anything passed through a window unless you're a seagull ... BGE Lg. -
Squeezy, Try this link to the high que gasket. http://www.high-que.com/b/2991138011
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