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Pizza Eggsperts--00 flour question

Judy Mayberry
Judy Mayberry Posts: 2,015
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
i am about to use straight 00 flour, not 80/20 with bread flour, to see what it comes out like.

Can anyone tell me what will be the difference in the final product without starter? With 100% 00 flour vs. 80/20? I do know it will take higher heat, like 700° (as if my Small Egg would ever get THAT hot). Not cooking it till Friday.

Judy in San Diego
Judy in San Diego

Comments

  • Judy,

    I am not sold on types of flour. I have used many types. The main trick or tip is making sure whatever ingredients used with the dough will not cause it to burn and that the dough has had enough time to culture in the fridge before baking.

    I usually make my batch ahead of time so that it has had at least 24 - 36 hours of time culturing in the fridge. I do not let my dough rise after mixing which is not a common thing you hear. I also make sure all my liquids are very cold and that all my solid ingridents disolve first in the liquid. I add my fresh yeast (not dry - I use bakers yeast, come in a block form) that was activated in room temp water. I have my mixing bowl (spiral mixer) ready and I add my activated yeast and mix, then add my flour. I try not to over mix, i want the dough out of teh bowl asap. I also want the dough to be more on the moist (wet) side than too hard with to much flour. The way i test that is I stop the mixer and push my fingers toward the hook and pull back quickly. If no dough has stuck to my fingers, it is enough flour. When portioning the dough, it may require alittle more flour, just dust lightly and roll into dough balls, when the dough has just absorbed the flour, stop handling and refridgerate in a sealed container or in a plastic bag, do not push the dough into the corners of the, keep it in the centre (you will see why).

    I do not use alot of yeast for the size of the batch that I do (20-22 large pizza's), follow the amounts of a recipe you are familar with and monitor results for the proper yeast amount, it will make sense as you make more and more batches.

    This will allow you to roll out your dough by hand (no rolling pin), the gravity of the dough will stretch itself (minimal handling).

    Now for baking, if you want a crispy bottom you want to bake at 425-500 (depends on the cooker elements) and if you want it soft and fluffy like Napoli, flash baking (I call it), find the highest temp the dough bakes well at 600 and up.

    Last tip: When you pull the dough out of the fridge, allow it to stay out until it is room temp before rolling out. Top the pizza quickly and get it to the rock ..."pizza stone" a pre-heated egg, on for at least 45 min at the desired baking temp. Try look baking first then increase, it is always easier to increase temp than to lower, because the stone will be hotter than the air temp (another trick of balancing temperature).

    Let me know your results if you use these tips. Email me.

    Marc Cardinali
    www.cluckandsqueal.com "coming soon"
  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    I can only offer novice info. I've used 00 for several pies. The pies were not any better, but I did notice the dough felt smoother while I was working it. Perhaps with more experience it will work better. My best so far was bread flour mixed with 25% semolina.

    I notice below that you looked at Varsano's recipe. I tried that. It was so wet, I had a lot of difficulty working with the dough. The results were not so good. I believe I had my stone at around 650. I later noticed Varsano talks about rigging his home stove to reach 800. I spoke with a pizzaiolo who makes sour dough pies in a wood fired oven. He said his stone is in excess of 900 F, and the air temp just above is over 1400 F. I figure really wet doughs respond well to that, but drier ones would be better for "cooler" ovens.
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,993
    been getting away with just store bought pizza dough at the supernova temps, not really sure it needs to be wet, just need a basic dough with no sugars added. my setup gets the higher dome temps with the cooler stone, a blue flame actually will hover above the pie. how does Varsano get the wet dough off the peel
    fukahwee maine

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  • Fidel
    Fidel Posts: 10,172
    Two major points of difference in preparation, more so that in the final product.

    The 00 flour benefits significantly from an autolyse period that will help it develop gluten chains. The lower protein does not benefit as well from kneading as higher protein doughs.

    Secondly, the dough made with 00 flour will be more difficult to work with. It will be more slack and more susceptible to holes and tearing. Again, based on the less developed protein chains.
  • Fidel:

    I did a 30-minute autolyse, made it in a KitchenAid with the dough hook, and the dough was silken and perfect. Slightly sticky, but not unmanageable at all. Probably the perfect storm of atmospheric conditions and flour. Let's hope it stays that way in two days when I stretch it out.

    Judy
    Judy in San Diego
  • Ball bearings? :unsure:
    Judy in San Diego
  • I used the recipe from Forno Bravo just to have a baseline. I weighed everything--500 gr flour, 325 gr water, 10 gr salt, and 3 gr yeast, used the dough hook. That's 65% hydration. It was a silky, slightly sticky dough and very manageable.

    The test will come tomorrow, when I stretch it out and cook on two Eggs with different heat capabilities and different setups.

    Thanks,

    Judy
    Judy in San Diego
  • vidalia1
    vidalia1 Posts: 7,092
    I have that same recipe from Forno Bravo but have not tried it yet. Looking forward to seeing how you like it. Good luck. :)