Rutland braided "Grapho-Glas" gasket for large BGE?

jjdbike

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

WeberWho

@rrp

RRP

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

jjdbike

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP,
Thank you for your response.
First, I’m wondering why you would assume that I think you’re being a pr*k?
Second, after some more time searching the internet, I ordered a 7” x 5/8. I think this is the correct one.
Respecfully,
JD

alaskanassasin

That’s customer service right there!

Ozzie_Isaac

jjdbike said:

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP,
Thank you for your response.
First, I’m wondering why you would assume that I think you’re being a pr*k?
Second, after some more time searching the internet, I ordered a 7” x 5/8. I think this is the correct one.
Respecfully,
JD

@RRP is the man when it comes to these gaskets.  His kits are cut to length for whatever size egg you want, and his instructions for installation are fantastic.  Also, he sells for cost, no profit in it for him.

And @JonWesson from Indiana still owes him $14.

littlerascal56

Ron has been selling these Rutland gaskets to forum members for many years…at his cost!  A true promoter of the BGE product line, and helping members upgrade their eggs!  He is the expert at this!

RRP

Ozzie_Isaac said:

jjdbike said:

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP,
Thank you for your response.
First, I’m wondering why you would assume that I think you’re being a pr*k?
Second, after some more time searching the internet, I ordered a 7” x 5/8. I think this is the correct one.
Respecfully,
JD

@RRP is the man when it comes to these gaskets.  His kits are cut to length for whatever size egg you want, and his instructions for installation are fantastic.  Also, he sells for cost, no profit in it for him.

And @JonWesson from Indiana still owes him $14.

Thanks for explaining…but just to set the record straight it actually was some loser in Indianapolis, IN  named Wes Johnson, whose word isn’t worth 11 bucks! And someone  here thinks that is so funny will be posting some comment shortly…

jjdbike

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP and friends, 
Clearly, I wish I would have asked this first here too. I'm brand new around here. I saw your comment that was "@RRP". To show my ignorance, I had no idea what that meant. Again, I would never assume anyone is being a pr*ck, and didn't say anything that would imply I did. That's why that comment confused me.
At this point I ordered the 6' x 1". Then, after I read RRP's reply I immediately cancelled that order. I then ordered a 7' x 5/8" black braided gasket. I've seen several websites that say this is the right size. I also have a tube of Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust. Are you able to confirm that these are the correct materials please? 
Also, can I leave the old felt gasket on the top edge? In other words, is that braided gasket on the bottom edge sufficient, even w/ what's left of a worn out felt gasket on top?
I have a high profile cook this coming Saturday at O'Dark30. I'm cleaning the bottom gasket off this evening after work and hopefully will have the gasket installed by Weds evening after work. I will run a dry run burn Thurs evening to help fully cure the adhesive.
I have my premium brisket (SRF Gold Wagyu) cook for good friends starting the middle of the night on Friday.
Is this a realistic time frame, or am I cutting this too close? 
The plan B would be to go ahead with the cook w/ only the old work felt gaskets left on. The down side would be difficulty maintaining the low temp I am shooting to maintain, i.e. between 250 & 275.
Thank you in advance,
JD

Ozzie_Isaac

jjdbike said:

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP and friends, 
Clearly, I wish I would have asked this first here too. I'm brand new around here. I saw your comment that was "@RRP". To show my ignorance, I had no idea what that meant. Again, I would never assume anyone is being a pr*ck, and didn't say anything that would imply I did. That's why that comment confused me.
At this point I ordered the 6' x 1". Then, after I read RRP's reply I immediately cancelled that order. I then ordered a 7' x 5/8" black braided gasket. I've seen several websites that say this is the right size. I also have a tube of Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust. Are you able to confirm that these are the correct materials please? 
Also, can I leave the old felt gasket on the top edge? In other words, is that braided gasket on the bottom edge sufficient, even w/ what's left of a worn out felt gasket on top?
I have a high profile cook this coming Saturday at O'Dark30. I'm cleaning the bottom gasket off this evening after work and hopefully will have the gasket installed by Weds evening after work. I will run a dry run burn Thurs evening to help fully cure the adhesive.
I have my premium brisket (SRF Gold Wagyu) cook for good friends starting the middle of the night on Friday.
Is this a realistic time frame, or am I cutting this too close? 
The plan B would be to go ahead with the cook w/ only the old work felt gaskets left on. The down side would be difficulty maintaining the low temp I am shooting to maintain, i.e. between 250 & 275.
Thank you in advance,
JD

My personal recommendation is do not change anything prior to a big cook. Stick with what you know.

However if you cannot maintain 275 then you might need to do something.  Even with no gasket, 275 is easily maintained, so I might be misunderstanding your comment.

Lool up posts by @lousubcap about brisket cooks if you want brisket advice.  He is one of the SRF brisket whisperers.  Looks like your question really is, "How do I nail this upcoming cook, and do I need to change my setup for best results"

As for your bolded questions, I do not know.  I use smokeware nomex gaskets.  Easy no fuss install.  However, they do need to be replaced every 5 years or so.  The ones you are trying are lifetime gaskets.

hoosier_egger

I follow Wes Johnson on twitter...true story. He even has a pic of his egg on there with his free gasket from Ron. 

RRP

@jjdbike - I just sent you a long PM.

fishlessman

if it were me and i was having problems with the gasket, i would just make a long loose rope of tin foil and put it between the base and dome. works in a pinch and save the gasket instal for a weekend when its nice out and warm.  but then again i have an rrp gasket thats been waiting 2 years for an install, i hate wasting nice sunny days

The Cen-Tex Smoker

jjdbike said:

RRP said:

jjdbike said:

Hey folks,
Can anyone here share info, experience or tips about installing and using "Rutland Grapho-Glas" as a replacement gasket for the large BGE? I just ordered a 6' x 1" piece and "Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust" to adhere - seal it.
Is this a good choice? Is 6' long enough?
Any need to do a dry run burn before a high profile low & slow cook?
I want to replan it this week after work and I'm having friends over for a premium brisket.
Respectfully,
JD

Nope, when done properly that 6’ piece is too short for a Large. Besides that a 1”x 6’ tells me you ordered a rope style Rutland and I would never put a rope style on a BGE! Think I’m being a pr*ck? Nope…just been at this for 20 years. Sorry… wish you would have asked first…

Hello RRP and friends, 
Clearly, I wish I would have asked this first here too. I'm brand new around here. I saw your comment that was "@RRP". To show my ignorance, I had no idea what that meant. Again, I would never assume anyone is being a pr*ck, and didn't say anything that would imply I did. That's why that comment confused me.
At this point I ordered the 6' x 1". Then, after I read RRP's reply I immediately cancelled that order. I then ordered a 7' x 5/8" black braided gasket. I've seen several websites that say this is the right size. I also have a tube of Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker Exhaust. Are you able to confirm that these are the correct materials please? 
Also, can I leave the old felt gasket on the top edge? In other words, is that braided gasket on the bottom edge sufficient, even w/ what's left of a worn out felt gasket on top?
I have a high profile cook this coming Saturday at O'Dark30. I'm cleaning the bottom gasket off this evening after work and hopefully will have the gasket installed by Weds evening after work. I will run a dry run burn Thurs evening to help fully cure the adhesive.
I have my premium brisket (SRF Gold Wagyu) cook for good friends starting the middle of the night on Friday.
Is this a realistic time frame, or am I cutting this too close? 
The plan B would be to go ahead with the cook w/ only the old work felt gaskets left on. The down side would be difficulty maintaining the low temp I am shooting to maintain, i.e. between 250 & 275.
Thank you in advance,
JD

Don't worry about it. There is so much background to this that there is no way you would have any context. I was confused by Ron's comment as well and I do have all the context ha ha. Ron's a good guy and will help you out with a gasket if you need it. Otherwise, welcome and carry on.

HeavyG

For any new members curious about the Rutland gasket here's a link that provides some info about installing one:

http://www.nakedwhiz.com/rutlandgasket/gasket.htm

If you decide to proceed just get in touch with @RRP to arrange a purchase.

Sidebar - Wondering if @RRP has an apprentice or plan for succession of "The RRP Gasket Store". Can't let the tradition pass when he does!

bluebird66

Go with Ron, I'm so glad I did! Installation was a breeze.

RRP

HeavyG said:

For any new members curious about the Rutland gasket here's a link that provides some info about installing one:

http://www.nakedwhiz.com/rutlandgasket/gasket.htm

If you decide to proceed just get in touch with @RRP to arrange a purchase.

Sidebar - Wondering if @RRP has an apprentice or plan for succession of "The RRP Gasket Store". Can't let the tradition pass when he does!

Only problem with that link is it is VERY dated and it was back using the adhesive that came with the gasket. And then my advice about determining the age of the adhesive isn't applicable anymore as Rutland changed their formulation.

As of today I have shipped 7,478 gaskets and my goal is to have shipped 10,000 before I croak or find someone to take over my not for profit service...whichever comes first! 

EGGjlmh

Here is my freshly installed gasket from @RRP. Very pleased with it 

jjdbike

Very nice!
Very clean job. It looks like you have the old felt gasket still on the top rim.
Is that correct?
JD

jjdbike

RRP said:

@jjdbike - I just sent you a long PM.

Thanks RRP!
I just emailed you.
JD

caliking

I think @Eggcelsior first mentioned this a long time ago, but consider installing the gasket on the dome, instead of on the base. The base seems to crack way more often than the dome does. 

It would entail removing the dome, to flip it over, and install the gasket. So, may not be for the faint of heart. I guess you could install it upside down, without removing the dome, too. 

Ozzie_Isaac

caliking said:

I think @Eggcelsior first mentioned this a long time ago, but consider installing the gasket on the dome, instead of on the base. The base seems to crack way more often than the dome does. 

It would entail removing the dome, to flip it over, and install the gasket. So, may not be for the faint of heart. I guess you could install it upside down, without removing the dome, too. 

I am confident you could install it on the dome while you are standing upright.  No need to be upside down.

RRP

jjdbike said:

RRP said:

@jjdbike - I just sent you a long PM.

Thanks RRP!
I just emailed you.
JD

Got it and just now replied!

RRP

caliking said:

I think @Eggcelsior first mentioned this a long time ago, but consider installing the gasket on the dome, instead of on the base. The base seems to crack way more often than the dome does. 

It would entail removing the dome, to flip it over, and install the gasket. So, may not be for the faint of heart. I guess you could install it upside down, without removing the dome, too. 

After someone buys their gasket then that is their call, BUT I still suggest on the base only.

EGGjlmh

jjdbike said:

Very nice!
Very clean job. It looks like you have the old felt gasket still on the top rim.
Is that correct?
JD

Acutally the top is clean per rrp directions. This is a very old egg and the dome surface is black because of this. 

If you use RRP directions you cannot go wrong. 

jjdbike

Hey everyone,

I’m kind of panicked because I have this cook coming up starting midnight Friday for a get-together Sat.

After reflecting upon my last cook, I realize my gaskets are no longer effective. It’s leaking smoke & air. 

I’m kind of obsessed w/ good air flow from bottom vent to top vent, bathing food w/ clean smoke. I know that’s a limitation of eggs, as compared w/ others like off sets. 

I feel like leaky gaskets not only make it harder to control a specific consistent temperature, especially a lower temperature. I also feel like leaky gaskets screw up the flow of air to provide the flow of clean smoke.

I know the hardest part and most time consuming work is removing the old gasket and especially the adhesive. I wonder how important it is to create a perfectly clean surface? For the original felt gaskets, how perfectly clean does the surface need to be? For braided Grapho-Glas on bottom, will that adhesive not stick if it’s not completely pristine? Seeing that no gasket goes on top, as long as the bulk of the old gasket is removed, is that fine, or does it need to be totally clean?

Thanks in advance.
JD

lkapigian

@jjdbike My gaskets are shot, If I need it tighter, I just lay some foil ( heavy duty and doubled up )over the gasket, it makes a great sealand will get you by .....deal with your gasket when you have time 

jjdbike

lkapigian said:

@jjdbike My gaskets are shot, If I need it tighter, I just lay some foil ( heavy duty and doubled up )over the gasket, it makes a great sealand will get you by .....deal with your gasket when you have time 

Thanks Ikapigian.
Someone mentioned that previously, perhaps it was you. I would have never thought of that or that this would work.l at all, let alone works well.
Knowing that this does in fact does work well, is very reassuring and anxiety reducing. 

I was actually considering taking Friday off to deal with the gaskets & also trimming, injecting etc…
Beast regards,
JD

lkapigian

jjdbike said:

lkapigian said:

@jjdbike My gaskets are shot, If I need it tighter, I just lay some foil ( heavy duty and doubled up )over the gasket, it makes a great sealand will get you by .....deal with your gasket when you have time 

Thanks Ikapigian.
Someone mentioned that previously, perhaps it was you. I would have never thought of that or that this would work.l at all, let alone works well.
Knowing that this does in fact does work well, is very reassuring and anxiety reducing. 

I was actually considering taking Friday off to deal with the gaskets & also trimming, injecting etc…
Beast regards,
JD

Type A for sure LoL - relax, that is what this is all about ( or aboot for our friends up north ) 

fishlessman

jjdbike said:

lkapigian said:

@jjdbike My gaskets are shot, If I need it tighter, I just lay some foil ( heavy duty and doubled up )over the gasket, it makes a great sealand will get you by .....deal with your gasket when you have time 

Thanks Ikapigian.
Someone mentioned that previously, perhaps it was you. I would have never thought of that or that this would work.l at all, let alone works well.
Knowing that this does in fact does work well, is very reassuring and anxiety reducing. 

I was actually considering taking Friday off to deal with the gaskets & also trimming, injecting etc…
Beast regards,
JD

it works fine, just looks a little crude. pretty much all smokers leak smoke and with an egg holding 250 it can leak alot and be stable. use the bottom vent for most of the control and if windy you may want to turn the lower vent out of the wind or lean something infront of it to slow the wind down. if the gasket is still on it, it wears first in the back, you can loosen the upper band and push the dome down while retightening it. you want the egg stabile for an hour or so, put the meat in and close your eyes for 4 or more hours before making any minor adjustment. the ocd in people make them touch those vents. if you are trying for 250, just be happy with temps between 230 and 280, you can speed things up much later in the cook or slow them down. with a brisket plan on getting it out of the egg early, like 6 hours early, thats what the cooler is for. if its not ready 6 hours early, you raise the temps, foil if you have too

jjdbike

fishlessman said:

jjdbike said:

lkapigian said:

@jjdbike My gaskets are shot, If I need it tighter, I just lay some foil ( heavy duty and doubled up )over the gasket, it makes a great sealand will get you by .....deal with your gasket when you have time 

Thanks Ikapigian.
Someone mentioned that previously, perhaps it was you. I would have never thought of that or that this would work.l at all, let alone works well.
Knowing that this does in fact does work well, is very reassuring and anxiety reducing. 

I was actually considering taking Friday off to deal with the gaskets & also trimming, injecting etc…
Beast regards,
JD

it works fine, just looks a little crude. pretty much all smokers leak smoke and with an egg holding 250 it can leak alot and be stable. use the bottom vent for most of the control and if windy you may want to turn the lower vent out of the wind or lean something infront of it to slow the wind down. if the gasket is still on it, it wears first in the back, you can loosen the upper band and push the dome down while retightening it. you want the egg stabile for an hour or so, put the meat in and close your eyes for 4 or more hours before making any minor adjustment. the ocd in people make them touch those vents. if you are trying for 250, just be happy with temps between 230 and 280, you can speed things up much later in the cook or slow them down. with a brisket plan on getting it out of the egg early, like 6 hours early, thats what the cooler is for. if its not ready 6 hours early, you raise the temps, foil if you have too

Thanks fishless! Love the screen name.

I saw that trick, i.e., loosening, pushing & retightening done. I’ll try that tonight.

Yup, not messing w/ it too much is an OCD challenge.

I’m shooting for a 6 hours in cooler. Dinner’s at 6:00 pm Saturday. I’m on putting brisket on cooker at 12:00 midnight Friday. That’ll allow 12 hours to cook & 6 to rest.

Thanks brother,
JD