KICKSTARTER Bulat Knives

Ladeback69

Has anyone seen this or backed it yet?  Do you think it is worth it?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/840887253/bulat-your-go-to-kitchen-knife?ref=FundedToday&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=51dsa.fnd.to

jls9595

I'm interested but want to see what people here who are smarter than me think first.

*bump

Thatgrimguy

Still waiting on my Misen knives...

HeavyG

Thatgrimguy said:

Still waiting on my Misen knives...

Last update I saw was that they would start shipping mid-late September.

I had to quit obsessing over when my Kickstarter projects ship. That way whenever they do show up it's like an extra Xmas gift.

HeavyG

Ladeback69 said:

Has anyone seen this or backed it yet?  Do you think it is worth it?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/840887253/bulat-your-go-to-kitchen-knife?ref=FundedToday&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=51dsa.fnd.to

At this point I wouldn't back this project. All the best deals/pricing are already gone. Now, it appears that the only options available only save you $20 off retail and won't ship until February 2017.

Since early backers MAY receive their knives in November 2016 it would suck to hear that the knife is nothing exceptional and you still have to wait 4 months for yours to arrive.

gdenby

Assuming the quality is comparable to J-knives with a history, and you like the shape, what they offer for kickstarter support is a little less costly than what is already out there. But not quite as hard, and with a less acute bevel than what is available.

VG-10 is a good core steel. I use a petty with that every day, and am delighted. Not easy to sharpen, but holds its edge a long time w. proper stropping.

My opinion, it is a better quality knife at a reasonable price.

Thatgrimguy

HeavyG said:

Thatgrimguy said:

Still waiting on my Misen knives...

Last update I saw was that they would start shipping mid-late September.

I had to quit obsessing over when my Kickstarter projects ship. That way whenever they do show up it's like an extra Xmas gift.

There was some issue with boxes so now it's october.. 

Darby_Crenshaw

from a quick look.... isn't this another one of these faux damascus steel blades.

solid core with a pretty veneer.

true pattern welding in a knife should be through and through, otherwise you are not getting what they want you to think you are getting


VG10 is still carbon steel, and the price is decent, but i just think you should know when something is real versus just a veneer

nolaegghead

This is pretty much what Zhen does already.  Although they're not direct sellers, their knives are in this price range and are VG-10 cores with softer stainless veneers, including the "damascus" like stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=zhen+knives&tag=googhydr-20&index=garden&hvadid=46217378747&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7777859508622045016&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_5z134jynum_e

bigalsworth

There are a million knife makers out there with a massive range of prices, I never watched the video but I'm not sure how this one differentiates from others. I have also read that VG 10 is fairly hard to work with and many knife makers do not do a great job putting it into knives.  Maybe these guys have a lot of experience making knives, I don't know.  If you get one post your thoughts on how much you like it, I am always looking to add to the collection.

Ladeback69

I don't think I will be backing it.  It's a little to much for me for one knife.  I am doing fine with the knives I have i just was wondering if anyone had seen this and there are people on here that know more about knives then me.

Focker

VG10 is legit.  I've got a couple scars to prove it.  Enjoy the Shuns.  Not the best out there, but good enough for me at $90 for the 10" Chefs.  My Japanese White #2 will rust if you look at it wrong.  This Bulat steel will fit well in the maintenance free kitchen, lifestyle, the average Joe or Joan longs for.

Although a couple of Misens are on the way, this Bulat $100 offer is still better than any JA Henckels or Wusthof.

Darby_Crenshaw

Focker said:

 this Bulat $100 offer is still better than any JA Henckels or Wusthof.

price is good, yes.  people need to know what they want and are getting before they buy though, i think.

i don't see it as a case of one knife (or manufacturer, brand) always better than another. 

the softer german knives are better for some people, especially beginners, because they sharpen more easily and don't stain (which some see as a negative).  it's why they make them in drop forged stainless. they were actually a reaction to the 'stainable' carbon steel knives that were the standard.  my grandfather's knives are high-carbon and harder to sharpen.  heck, not long ago we STILL had a tinkerer that rode around sharpening knives for people, like a dude in an ice cream truck.

but of course, that softness means an edge doesn't last as long. which is a negative for a lot of more experienced cooks (those who use them a lot)

for people who really know what they are doing, and what kind of performance they want, the high-carbon knives can be perfect.

i just hesitate to say something is 'better' than another, because it really depends on what the user's criteria, experience, etc are.

gdenby

Actually, there is a JA Henckels 8" Miyabi VG-10 core "damascus" available for about $100.

And VG-10 at this time is no longer "cutting edge."

Focker

Wish I had a quarter for every dull, stamped, "easier to sharpen", use, knife I've encountered in others homes.  

I judge a knife by it's total construction, performance.  Not the pretty cosmetic damascus wannabe patterns, or user experience.  A beginner is better off with a knife that stays sharp, longer, between maintenance.  

Guess I could've expounded a bit, and stated this Bulat is better than their(JA and Wustys) finest offerings, Ikon for ex, that are 50 dollars or so more.

Darby_Crenshaw

Focker said:

Wish I had a quarter for every dull, stamped, "easier to sharpen", knife I've encountered in others homes.  

I judge a knife by it's total construction, performance.  Not the pretty cosmetic damascus wannabe patterns, or user experience.  A beginner is better off with a knife that stays sharp, longer, between maintenance.  

Guess I could've expounded a bit, and stated this Bulat is better than their(JA and Wustys) finest offerings, Ikon for ex, that are 50 dollars or so more.

i agree.  but it's like trucks.

a heavy duty professional truck is 'better' than a cheaper one.

but it may not be better for the end user, depending what they need, what their experience is, etc.

bigbadben

I am chuckling reading all the replies. I saw this and got excited.  Then I went into my typical, if I could by expensive chef knives I don't need Internet shopping route. Then I remembered my shuns work great and stay pretty sharp. And I set this aside. 

Focker

gdenby said:

Actually, there is a JA Henckels 8" Miyabi VG-10 core "damascus" available for about $100.

And VG-10 at this time is no longer "cutting edge."

Kudos to JA, for adapting.

Who said it was cutting edge?

gdenby

The nominal reason for prettying up the blade is to reduce blade stickiness. Otherwise, a less expensive simple cladding is enough to keep more reactive steels from rusting all over, and/or more brittle steels from chipping, or cracking.

FWIW, even pure pattern weld is not real Damascus. Real Damscus was made from a steel from India, commonly called woot, or wootz. The blade makers in Damascus found a way to treat the raw steel so that it would not break when used in thin, light swords. Part of that was the standard  method of pattern welding, but evidently they found or stumbled onto materials that added trace elements, rather like modern crucible steel makers, which improved the base steel. Apparently the supply was exhausted, and true Damascus disappeared. Pattern welding in the West was a later attempt to recreate the lightness and keenness of the originals.

But there are quite a few modern stain resistant steels that require little care, will easily take a 15 degree bevel, and have RC higher than 60, and are substantially less expensive. Don't know at what the market niche the Kickstarter folks are aiming.

fishlessman

great blade material, am fine with the easy clean veneer, really hate the finger guard style(makes it harder to hand sharpen).  its very similar to my ginsu with the vg1 core

nolaegghead

I find the high carbon steel knives easy to sharpen, esp compared to the VG10, AUS8, etc alloys.

Darby_Crenshaw

i think if a person is inclined to let one type of knife get dull, he'd let any type of knife get dull. 

HeavyG

Darby_Crenshaw said:

i think if a person is inclined to let one type of knife get dull, he'd let any type of knife get dull. 

To me it doesn't really matter what steel is involved or how much it cost.

Bottom line is - is it sharp? Are you going to keep it sharp? If you're not going to keep it sharp are you willing to pay someone to sharpen it for you when needed?

jls9595

I think I'll wait until I can get a good valyrian steel knife

ThrillSeeker

 jls9595 said:

I think I'll wait until I can get a good valyrian steel knife

It doesn't look like Tommen Baratheon is gonna need his. 

 

HeavyG

ThrillSeeker said:

 jls9595 said:

I think I'll wait until I can get a good valyrian steel knife

It doesn't look like Tommen Baratheon is gonna need his. 

 

Yeah but I think Cersei is going to be getting a lot of use with that next season.

nolaegghead

I prefer unobtanium or adamantium, but very difficult to sharpen.

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

I prefer unobtanium or adamantium, but very difficult to sharpen.

The molecular hammer makes that a very easy task.

SmokeyPitt

ThrillSeeker said:

 jls9595 said:

I think I'll wait until I can get a good valyrian steel knife

It doesn't look like Tommen Baratheon is gonna need his. 

 

Spoiler alert! 

gdenby

nolaegghead said:

I prefer unobtanium or adamantium, but very difficult to sharpen.

As it happens, if you load your strop w. Illudium Phosdex, unobtanium  can easily be brought back to mirror like smoothness.

Testing to see how antique you are.

nolaegghead

gdenby said:

nolaegghead said:

I prefer unobtanium or adamantium, but very difficult to sharpen.

As it happens, if you load your strop w. Illudium Phosdex, unobtanium  can easily be brought back to mirror like smoothness.

Testing to see how antique you are.

Not that antique, I had to look it up!