Pallet of lump cost?

littlerascal56

Have been buying my pellets from the manufacturer direct.  Just got 2 pallets (4000#) of Lumberjack delivered for $1300.  A bunch of us are also using lump for our eggs, and the best price has been $19.95/bag delivered from Firecraft.

Just curious if anyone is buying Missouri lump from "The Good One' or "Rockwood" direct, or do you have to go thru a dealer?  I live in Kansas, and those 2 brands are only 1 state away.  Shipping costs should not be that much, considering a 250 mile delivery on I-70 to our commercial dock.

feef706

Interested in the responses here 

Skiddymarker

Been a year or so, but JH at Rockwood would do a pallet at a very good price. Contact him and ask. He is here as stlcharcoal

Eggcelsior

We used to get a few Rockwood pallets delivered to Maryland but haven't been able to in a long while due to his orders piling up with retailers, if I recall.

Last one was 15 or 16 per bag. That was for 60 or 90 bags, I can't quite remember the amount.

RRP

In Jonathan's defense I would just imagine he is not about to undercut the merchants he sells to on a regular basis. I mean, what you proposed makes sense to you, but you are a one time buyer of a pallet, not multiple pallets meaning a sustained business relationship year after year. 

Thatgrimguy

You gotta be careful about stepping on retailers toes. Most of the charcoal distributers can't do it because of that. You should try contacting a few privately and see if you can set something up. Maybe through a business or something.

theyolksonyou

Ask your local dealer, they may do a volume discount. 

caliking

If you can't buy Rockwood from  a local dealer, then contact stlcharcoal. Service was great the last time I ordered a couple of pallets to split with others.

Eggcelsior

RRP said:

In Jonathan's defense I would just imagine he is not about to undercut the merchants he sells to on a regular basis. I mean, what you proposed makes sense to you, but you are a one time buyer of a pallet, not multiple pallets meaning a sustained business relationship year after year. 

He doesn't undercut anyone near me, since no one sells it. Who exactly is he undercutting if he is selling it to 4 or 5 people at the same price that he is selling it to a retailer, who then marks it up for profit?

Thatgrimguy

Eggcelsior said:

RRP said:

In Jonathan's defense I would just imagine he is not about to undercut the merchants he sells to on a regular basis. I mean, what you proposed makes sense to you, but you are a one time buyer of a pallet, not multiple pallets meaning a sustained business relationship year after year. 

He doesn't undercut anyone near me, since no one sells it. Who exactly is he undercutting if he is selling it to 4 or 5 people at the same price that he is selling it to a retailer, who then marks it up for profit?

Ace Hardware. By taking one of their best clients out of the market for an extended period of time and cutting them out. Someone who is interested in a pallet is someone who would (in their mind) come buy that charcoal and possibly hundreds of dollars in other merchandise during their many visits (over the life of a pallet.)

littlerascal56

My only source of lump is Home Depot (Royal Oak) and my BGE dealer. ACE Hardware stocks Cowboy, which I will not use.   Most people that live here use pellet grills and buy Traeger pellets at ACE.   Traeger has the market for grills and pellets in central Kansas, and has for the past 10 years. 

I have to order higher grade lump "on line" or drive 300 miles to pick it up, so it's not like I am undercutting a local dealer!  Several of my employees have an egg, so we would be ordering every season.

Eggcelsior

Thatgrimguy said:

Eggcelsior said:

RRP said:

In Jonathan's defense I would just imagine he is not about to undercut the merchants he sells to on a regular basis. I mean, what you proposed makes sense to you, but you are a one time buyer of a pallet, not multiple pallets meaning a sustained business relationship year after year. 

He doesn't undercut anyone near me, since no one sells it. Who exactly is he undercutting if he is selling it to 4 or 5 people at the same price that he is selling it to a retailer, who then marks it up for profit?

Ace Hardware. By taking one of their best clients out of the market for an extended period of time and cutting them out. Someone who is interested in a pallet is someone who would (in their mind) come buy that charcoal and possibly hundreds of dollars in other merchandise during their many visits (over the life of a pallet.)

I guess it depends on what your market can handle. There nearest place to me to get Rockwood is about 60 miles away. They've only started carrying it in the period since we last ordered. I could totally see the issue you describe if it was a local business to me.

YukonRon

I live in Louisville, an area loaded with Ceramic cookers. I have tried to get a dealer set up to carry Rockwood lump. I was told they are unable to do it because they can't supply it. I am down to my last bag. I have to drive 40 miles to the closest dealer if he has it, or order it on line. Good Luck.

pgprescott

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

YukonRon

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

Got no trailer gotta get a u haul!

Hi54putty

We tried to order another pallet of Rockwood a few months back and they wouldn't sell it to us. Said they didn't have the capacity. We bought a pallet of Wicked Good one time for about $16 per bag delivered. That was a while back. Both are excellent lump in my opinion. 

HeavyG

RRP said:

In Jonathan's defense I would just imagine he is not about to undercut the merchants he sells to on a regular basis. I mean, what you proposed makes sense to you, but you are a one time buyer of a pallet, not multiple pallets meaning a sustained business relationship year after year. 

A lot of folks do not have a retailer nearby that sells Rockwood. The closest retailer to me that sells it is 100 miles away. They sell just the 10lb bags for $15.

My daughter happens to live in that city so I had her buy a few bags to bring me on her next visit. It was nice but not really worth twice the price of what I normally buy.

I did inquire about ordering a pallet but, like others, was informed that I couldn't buy one. He suggested I order it from Firecraft.

Since anyone can order it from Firecraft the whole "protecting the local retailer" argument does not fly.

The problem with ordering from Firecraft is that one cannot be certain that the bags won't be kicked/tumbled/dropped thereby turning the contents into dust.

There will soon be another quality lump that folks may want to check into. Kamado Joe has gotten into the lump business. They are importing bulk lump from a South American supplier and they will be doing the sorting and bagging in their Georgia facility. It will be sold/labeled as their "Restaurant Grade" lump. Early reports from some folks that have been able to get some before it gets wider distribution have been pretty good. The price will be about the same as Rockwood. No word yet if one would be able to buy a pallet load of that from KJ.

RiverRatSkier

Wicked Good still does pallets.  I have one on the way right now.  This will be my third pallet from them.

http://http//www.wickedgoodcharcoal.com/pallet_shipping_outside_ne.htm

I don't know about elsewhere, but I was told that Rockwood does not have the capacity to ship pallets to MN.  Maybe that will change in the future.

DaveRichardson

I saw the KJ lump at a local Ace Hardware south of Atlanta this weekend.  I would have jumped to give it a try, but I was under watch and under strict orders for no more lump today!!!

Eggcelsior

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

It is when you live in the Baltimore/DC region. If I want to go to Dizzy Pig in Manassas or the Ace Hardware in Glen Burnie, I'm looking at a 3.5-4hr round trip. There is no such thing as 60 mph around here with the population density and menagerie of imported drivers and their tendencies from other states and countries. 

chrisc133

DaveRichardson said:

I saw the KJ lump at a local Ace Hardware south of Atlanta this weekend.  I would have jumped to give it a try, but I was under watch and under strict orders for no more lump today!!!

The KJ lump at ace isn't the same stuff as the restaurant grade stuff talked about above ...but is still very very good.  Very neutral, large pieces, and low spark compared to RO. Ace sells it at a reasonable price ...but check out the Costco kamado Joe road shows if they hit your area.  They sell a double pack--44lbs total for $30.

Thatgrimguy

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

It is when you live in the Baltimore/DC region. If I want to go to Dizzy Pig in Manassas or the Ace Hardware in Glen Burnie, I'm looking at a 3.5-4hr round trip. There is no such thing as 60 mph around here with the population density and menagerie of imported drivers and their tendencies from other states and countries. 

That is some of the worst traffic I have ever seen. It just stops in the afternoon. 

Acn

Thatgrimguy said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

It is when you live in the Baltimore/DC region. If I want to go to Dizzy Pig in Manassas or the Ace Hardware in Glen Burnie, I'm looking at a 3.5-4hr round trip. There is no such thing as 60 mph around here with the population density and menagerie of imported drivers and their tendencies from other states and countries. 

That is some of the worst traffic I have ever seen. It just stops in the afternoon. 

Yep.  This was from last Friday, around 5:15.

YukonRon

Acn said:

Thatgrimguy said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

It is when you live in the Baltimore/DC region. If I want to go to Dizzy Pig in Manassas or the Ace Hardware in Glen Burnie, I'm looking at a 3.5-4hr round trip. There is no such thing as 60 mph around here with the population density and menagerie of imported drivers and their tendencies from other states and countries. 

That is some of the worst traffic I have ever seen. It just stops in the afternoon. 

Yep.  This was from last Friday, around 5:15.

Try the 5 in Southern California. About as bad.

HeavyG

chrisc133 said:

DaveRichardson said:

I saw the KJ lump at a local Ace Hardware south of Atlanta this weekend.  I would have jumped to give it a try, but I was under watch and under strict orders for no more lump today!!!

The KJ lump at ace isn't the same stuff as the restaurant grade stuff talked about above ...but is still very very good.  Very neutral, large pieces, and low spark compared to RO. Ace sells it at a reasonable price ...but check out the Costco kamado Joe road shows if they hit your area.  They sell a double pack--44lbs total for $30.

Right. The "new & improved" stuff is clearly labeled "Restaurant Grade" and is a completely different product.

littlerascal56

This is why I live in Kansas.  5 miles @ 79 mph = 3.5 minutes.  I have crews in 40 counties, and travel 300 miles a day. Set the cruise control and spend the next hour on your cell phone and you are there!  I just can imagine the traffic issues you guys deal with daily, and really don't need to.  I manage an electric utility that encompasses 1/3 of the state of Kansas, so my day is full of interstate travel. Guess I will keep purchasing my lump from Firecraft delivered to the front door!

Toxarch

I know people who drive 200 miles on Saturday to eat at a favorite restaurant and then drive 200 miles back home. My parents drive 150 miles round trip to eat at their favorite Indian restaurant. Most everything is highway so it doesn't take long to get there. 
Closest Rockwood to me was 100 miles, now a new place has it 60 miles away. Problem is they are all through the worst parts of city traffic. 

fishlessman

wicked good is under 14 bucks for 22 pound bags by the pallet picked up or 15 delivered in newengland.  a little more for shipping elsewhere but if you could swing 3 or more pallets to a commercial dock im betting the shipping cost would be fair. its been a while but i think the owners name is lee ann

stompbox

fishlessman said:

wicked good is under 14 bucks for 22 pound bags by the pallet picked up or 15 delivered in newengland.  a little more for shipping elsewhere but if you could swing 3 or more pallets to a commercial dock im betting the shipping cost would be fair. its been a while but i think the owners name is lee ann

What do they consider NE?  I assume not PA?

I am a homebrewer and people do bulk grain buys all the time.  They will order a pallet or more of base grains (2row, wheat, rye, etc.) and split up the costs and it ends up being like 1/2 the price you can buy it wlsewhere.

fishlessman

stompbox said:

fishlessman said:

wicked good is under 14 bucks for 22 pound bags by the pallet picked up or 15 delivered in newengland.  a little more for shipping elsewhere but if you could swing 3 or more pallets to a commercial dock im betting the shipping cost would be fair. its been a while but i think the owners name is lee ann

What do they consider NE?  I assume not PA?

I am a homebrewer and people do bulk grain buys all the time.  They will order a pallet or more of base grains (2row, wheat, rye, etc.) and split up the costs and it ends up being like 1/2 the price you can buy it wlsewhere.

new england states (Ross express was handling this area)

Lit

YukonRon said:

Acn said:

Thatgrimguy said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

60 miles isn't as far as you make it sound. Take a trailer and buy as much as you want. 

It is when you live in the Baltimore/DC region. If I want to go to Dizzy Pig in Manassas or the Ace Hardware in Glen Burnie, I'm looking at a 3.5-4hr round trip. There is no such thing as 60 mph around here with the population density and menagerie of imported drivers and their tendencies from other states and countries. 

That is some of the worst traffic I have ever seen. It just stops in the afternoon. 

Yep.  This was from last Friday, around 5:15.

Try the 5 in Southern California. About as bad.

I wish I could go 5 miles in 27 minutes. I live a half hour north of Atlanta and even at 345 in the afternoon it takes 45 minutes to go the 10 miles to get home. At 515 it takes an hour and 15 minutes on an average day but hits an hour and a half frequently.