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Ribs weren't tender enough
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NoobZero
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Went with the 3-2-1 method on spares. Foiled, added apple juice, butter, brown sugar, Tiger Sauce ala Trigg. But they just weren't anywhere near what I expected regarding tenderness. You think I may not have added enough juice to the equation? Is there a specified measurable amount? Wondering where I went wrong.
Atlanta GA.
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Did you cook them long enough? They should pass the bend test(pick up one half and the other should bend 90 degrees) or the tooth pick test(probe between the bones without resistance).
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I may have rushed them, the result of the probing were not definitive, but I figured after 6 hours they should be ready.Atlanta GA.
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time matters not, only texture
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I agree, @NoobZero, that it seems awfully surprising that 6 hours, including 2h wrapped, wasn't enough to get a rack of baby backs done. That seems really odd to me, and I can't help wondering about the temperature. You didn't say what the dome temperature was, and maybe you might want to check its calibration with boiling water.
Many people here smoke ribs at 225° or even lower (dome temperature), but many of us, and I'm definitely one, think we get better smoke and better results in general when the Egg is at or above 250°. I usually try to keep my Egg at 250°-275° for ribs.
But I agree with the others, and pretty much everybody on this forum agrees: with ribs you don't cook to time or temperature, but to tenderness. Regardless of the time, regardless of the internal temp, you don't take them off until they're demonstrably tender enough, either by the toothpick test (almost no resistance going into a meaty part) or the bend test (about 90°). -
Did you pull the membrane off?
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Spaightlabs said:Did you pull the membrane off?
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As an egg novice I really shouldn't say much, but I have done two different rib cooks and noticed a difference in tenderness. The only thing I did different was the amout of liquid I had in the drip pan on the plate setter. No sure if that was the cause or not. Thoughts?
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It would make sense to me that the liquid will affect the cooking temperature. For what it is worth I don't use any type liquid in the egg.
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The membrane can make a difference. The only person I've read about who didn't remove it took his temp on an offset cooker to 450 just before the finish to burn them away.
Liquid doesn't make any difference in an Egg. It just cools the air, and slows the meat reaching the temp where the connective tissue breaks down. But not all ribs are the same. While most hogs are currently raised in a very uniform method, some producers sell slightly meatier and/or fatter slabs. That can make a difference.
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gdenby said:The membrane can make a difference. The only person I've read about who didn't remove it took his temp on an offset cooker to 450 just before the finish to burn them away.
Liquid doesn't make any difference in an Egg. It just cools the air, and slows the meat reaching the temp where the connective tissue breaks down. But not all ribs are the same. While most hogs are currently raised in a very uniform method, some producers sell slightly meatier and/or fatter slabs. That can make a difference.
The only way liquid vs no liquid could affect tenderness is if you cook to the same time, and the egg with the water pan is at a liwer temp due to the heat sink
if your vents are set the same, the one with the waterpan will be a little lower, as the BGE tries to boil the water away (which it really can't). That lower temp means the ribs would take longer
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Darby_Crenshaw said:gdenby said:The membrane can make a difference. The only person I've read about who didn't remove it took his temp on an offset cooker to 450 just before the finish to burn them away.
Liquid doesn't make any difference in an Egg. It just cools the air, and slows the meat reaching the temp where the connective tissue breaks down. But not all ribs are the same. While most hogs are currently raised in a very uniform method, some producers sell slightly meatier and/or fatter slabs. That can make a difference.
The only way liquid vs no liquid could affect tenderness is if you cook to the same time, and the egg with the water pan is at a liwer temp due to the heat sink
if your vents are set the same, the one with the waterpan will be a little lower, as the BGE tries to boil the water away (which it really can't). That lower temp means the ribs would take longer
water pans are actually for temp management. They don't keep meat more moistIt's an obsession, but it's pleasin' -
How flexible was the rack prior to cooking? I choose racks that feel soft and flexible when shopping for ribs. Racks that are stiff tend to be tough when cooked.
I don't wrap my ribs. I cook to tender. Check between ribs with toothpick.SE PA
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Only can be temp wasn't high enough. Never seen a rack of ribs not be fall apart after a 3-2-1 even at 225. Regarding the membrane, most restaurants leave them on and they're still tender so I don't think it's that. Me thinks your temp was incorrect.
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Try Turbo next time. You'll like it, much simpler and the ribs will be tender.New Albany, Ohio
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Dragonwmatches said:Darby_Crenshaw said:gdenby said:The membrane can make a difference. The only person I've read about who didn't remove it took his temp on an offset cooker to 450 just before the finish to burn them away.
Liquid doesn't make any difference in an Egg. It just cools the air, and slows the meat reaching the temp where the connective tissue breaks down. But not all ribs are the same. While most hogs are currently raised in a very uniform method, some producers sell slightly meatier and/or fatter slabs. That can make a difference.
The only way liquid vs no liquid could affect tenderness is if you cook to the same time, and the egg with the water pan is at a liwer temp due to the heat sink
if your vents are set the same, the one with the waterpan will be a little lower, as the BGE tries to boil the water away (which it really can't). That lower temp means the ribs would take longer
water pans are actually for temp management. They don't keep meat more moist
this is all speculation (i mean, it looks ominous, burnt stuff in a pan), but it really doesn't result in the negative flavors we all think.
for one thing, even if it DID burn, what is it that is burning? sugars, proteins, etc. the same stuff that blackens on the corners of our steaks or gives us grill marks.
much ado about nothing
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Darby_Crenshaw said:Dragonwmatches said:Darby_Crenshaw said:gdenby said:The membrane can make a difference. The only person I've read about who didn't remove it took his temp on an offset cooker to 450 just before the finish to burn them away.
Liquid doesn't make any difference in an Egg. It just cools the air, and slows the meat reaching the temp where the connective tissue breaks down. But not all ribs are the same. While most hogs are currently raised in a very uniform method, some producers sell slightly meatier and/or fatter slabs. That can make a difference.
The only way liquid vs no liquid could affect tenderness is if you cook to the same time, and the egg with the water pan is at a liwer temp due to the heat sink
if your vents are set the same, the one with the waterpan will be a little lower, as the BGE tries to boil the water away (which it really can't). That lower temp means the ribs would take longer
water pans are actually for temp management. They don't keep meat more moist
this is all speculation (i mean, it looks ominous, burnt stuff in a pan), but it really doesn't result in the negative flavors we all think.
for one thing, even if it DID burn, what is it that is burning? sugars, proteins, etc. the same stuff that blackens on the corners of our steaks or gives us grill marks.
much ado about nothingIt's an obsession, but it's pleasin' -
Use a paper towel for grip when pulling the membrane off. Makes it very easy to pull off.Aledo, Texas
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I just did 2 racks straight thru for 4 hours at 250 degrees. They were fall off the bone tender.
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spares? no way they could be spares... unless something is wacky. 250 grate temp?
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250 dome and they were spares.
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mine have been on four hours at 300, and they aren't even close, including the trimmings.
yours are raised, which is hotter in the upper dome, but still, something is off.
falling off the bone is a rib cooked well past the 'pull' level of doneness.
i have a hard time believing it's truly 250 in four hours.
heck,loin backs done with a braise step are barely done in four hours.
not saying i disagree with you. just say it has never happened in my experience, and i have never seen it happen in maybe close to a dozen years here. not unless a thermo reading was off
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I will have to calibrate my thermometer haven't done that recently.
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