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beer can chicken experiment
deepsouth
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there are probably millions of people who have cooked beer can chickens and a few have even gone so far as to document their results. the most notable to me is on the nakedwhiz site....
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/beercanchicken.htm
the naked whiz conclusion:
We suppose the conclusions here are pretty obvious. Doing beer can chicken to produce moist and flavorful chickens is a waste of time, good beer and good flavorings. Side by side comparisons showed that birds cooked with and without beer in the can turned out identical in juiciness. A bird cooked over beer with flavorings turned out identical in flavor to a bird cooked with no beer and no flavorings. It just plain doesn't work. The only reason we can see for putting a chicken on a can is cook it vertically so you can fit more birds into your cooker. But for flavor or juiciness? Nope. If you need to increase the juiciness of your chicken, or if you want to get some flavor into the meat itself, you would be far better off investigating the art of brining.
i'd suspect that more often than not, these beer can chickens are done using macro brews such as budweiser or miller or even a lite version of those beers.

my rub was a mixture of salt and pepper, dizzy pig shakin the tree and tsunami spin and some simply marvelous season all.

i pulled the skin back on the breasts and rubed them good inside and out and let them sit for a couple hours.

i used some onion and garlic in the beers.

for my beer can chicken experiment, i used an oskar blues ten fidy russian imperial stout which comes in just under 10% abv. i cooked the chicken indirect on a small big green egg using the actual oskar blues can and a couple skewers to hold the chicken up inside the egg. i used a bit of onion and garlic in the can.


for the other beer, i used a homebrewed barrel aged double ipa that came in at about 130 ibu and 11% abv. i used a ceramic beer can chicken holder for that one. used onion and garlic in the beer as well.


the one cooked on the large big green egg was cooked direct, however i did use the spider with an aluminum pan sitting on it. i also used the adjustable rig to cook to cook higher in the dome, at the level of the felt on the base of the egg.
the large...

the small...

i was able to put a probe into the ceramic container holding the chicken in the large big green egg to monitor the temp of the liquid...




next readings....



(at this point, i dropped my iphone 4 and shattered the back glass on it. pictures became less frequent as i was pretty ticked off.)
the chicken took less time on the large big green egg. also, the beer boiled in the ceramic holder as there was about 1/2 the amount of beer than what i started with.


the chicken on the small big green egg came off about 30 minutes later. most noticable was the fact that the amount of beer in the can was pretty much the same amount that i started off with.


my conclusion
both chickens were juicy, but i noticed the one done direct at a bit hotter temperature was more moist than the one cooked indirect. the chicken cooked on the small egg indirect picked up little to no flavor from the beer. the chicken cooked direct on the large egg at a bit higher temperature tasted more moist and tasted different than the chicken cooked on the small egg. the beer most certainly added flavor to the chicken cooked on the ceramic chicken holder. there was evidence that the beer in the ceramic holder boiled and that flavor was apparent in the chicken.
so, if you really want get good results on your beer can chickens, my recommendation would be, cook them direct between 375-400 and use a hoppy beer, preferably an india pale ale or a double india pale ale. i'd suspect a very hoppy regular pale ale would work as well. i think it's necessary to get the beer to boil before you will see results.
part two of this test will be using a russian imperial stout direct on the egg to see if beers other than hoppy work for "beer can chicken".
thanks for looking!
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/beercanchicken.htm
the naked whiz conclusion:
We suppose the conclusions here are pretty obvious. Doing beer can chicken to produce moist and flavorful chickens is a waste of time, good beer and good flavorings. Side by side comparisons showed that birds cooked with and without beer in the can turned out identical in juiciness. A bird cooked over beer with flavorings turned out identical in flavor to a bird cooked with no beer and no flavorings. It just plain doesn't work. The only reason we can see for putting a chicken on a can is cook it vertically so you can fit more birds into your cooker. But for flavor or juiciness? Nope. If you need to increase the juiciness of your chicken, or if you want to get some flavor into the meat itself, you would be far better off investigating the art of brining.
i'd suspect that more often than not, these beer can chickens are done using macro brews such as budweiser or miller or even a lite version of those beers.

my rub was a mixture of salt and pepper, dizzy pig shakin the tree and tsunami spin and some simply marvelous season all.

i pulled the skin back on the breasts and rubed them good inside and out and let them sit for a couple hours.

i used some onion and garlic in the beers.

for my beer can chicken experiment, i used an oskar blues ten fidy russian imperial stout which comes in just under 10% abv. i cooked the chicken indirect on a small big green egg using the actual oskar blues can and a couple skewers to hold the chicken up inside the egg. i used a bit of onion and garlic in the can.


for the other beer, i used a homebrewed barrel aged double ipa that came in at about 130 ibu and 11% abv. i used a ceramic beer can chicken holder for that one. used onion and garlic in the beer as well.


the one cooked on the large big green egg was cooked direct, however i did use the spider with an aluminum pan sitting on it. i also used the adjustable rig to cook to cook higher in the dome, at the level of the felt on the base of the egg.
the large...

the small...

i was able to put a probe into the ceramic container holding the chicken in the large big green egg to monitor the temp of the liquid...




next readings....



(at this point, i dropped my iphone 4 and shattered the back glass on it. pictures became less frequent as i was pretty ticked off.)
the chicken took less time on the large big green egg. also, the beer boiled in the ceramic holder as there was about 1/2 the amount of beer than what i started with.


the chicken on the small big green egg came off about 30 minutes later. most noticable was the fact that the amount of beer in the can was pretty much the same amount that i started off with.


my conclusion
both chickens were juicy, but i noticed the one done direct at a bit hotter temperature was more moist than the one cooked indirect. the chicken cooked on the small egg indirect picked up little to no flavor from the beer. the chicken cooked direct on the large egg at a bit higher temperature tasted more moist and tasted different than the chicken cooked on the small egg. the beer most certainly added flavor to the chicken cooked on the ceramic chicken holder. there was evidence that the beer in the ceramic holder boiled and that flavor was apparent in the chicken.
so, if you really want get good results on your beer can chickens, my recommendation would be, cook them direct between 375-400 and use a hoppy beer, preferably an india pale ale or a double india pale ale. i'd suspect a very hoppy regular pale ale would work as well. i think it's necessary to get the beer to boil before you will see results.
part two of this test will be using a russian imperial stout direct on the egg to see if beers other than hoppy work for "beer can chicken".
thanks for looking!
Comments
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Great post! Thanks for sharing!
Next time I do a chicken (spatchcocked) I'm going to double up the grates with a small but deep metal pan filled with hoppy beer sitting on the lower grate and the chicken right over top sitting on the upper grate. The beer will most certainly boil and it would be interesting to see (taste) how much flavour it would add to the chicken.
I've done many "beer can" chickens using beer, apple juice, with and without herbs and garlic and haven't really noticed any of those flavours in the finished chicken. Maybe boiling it underneath will change that. -
Jason,
That was one heck of a writeup, thanks. Good looking birds, i'd eat either one!
And sorry about your phone, that really sucks!
:( -
Excellent test, Jason. Keep up the good work.
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Valiant effort. My only concern is your tests are seriously lacking in control. I would suggest (perhaps this is what the whiz did) is have two birds and add nothing but beer (nothing else on the bird).
Sorry about the iPhone 4. Look at it as an opportunity to go pick up a droid X.
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Tweev-tip wrote:Valiant effort. My only concern is your tests are seriously lacking in control. I would suggest (perhaps this is what the whiz did) is have two birds and add nothing but beer (nothing else on the bird).
Sorry about the iPhone 4. Look at it as an opportunity to go pick up a droid X.
using the same seasonings on both birds, i'm not real sure my test was "seriously" lacking in control.
first i'm not a pro and don't claim to be. i'm far closer to amateur or novice than anything...
fact is, the birds tasted different and i know enough about beer to know that that dipa was present in the chicken i cooked on the LBGE.
thanks for your remarks though.
getting the iphone fixed. i don't really see any of the deficiencies that lots see in it.
cheers! -
Excellent writeup DS!!!! Nothing lacking in my opinion!!!!!
john -
Interesting post Jason. Thanks for taking the time to document.
I may have missed it but what was the done temperature of the bird's and how close that temperature did you pull each bird, and did you read in apx. the same position on each bird. Was there much weight difference in the two birds?
Wondering if cooking in two different eggs would make any difference also if one bird was higher in the dome than the other.
Kent -
Grandpas Grub wrote:
Interesting post Jason. Thanks for taking the time to document.
I may have missed it but what was the done temperature of the bird's and how close that temperature did you pull each bird, and did you read in apx. the same position on each bird. Was there much weight difference in the two birds?
Wondering if cooking in two different eggs would make any difference also if one bird was higher in the dome than the other.
Kent
i pulled each bird at 180. there was a bit of weight differece in the two birds. the bird in the small egg was the smaller of the two, and as you can see in the pics, i actually checked the temp on it from through the daiseywheel.
i think cooking different ways in different eggs made a difference. next time, it's two in the large, on on a can, one on the ceramic, direct/raised grid with a drip pan on the spider. -
I think it would also be a good idea to keep the birds as simple as possible - ideally - nothing but beer.
That sounds bland but just use the chicken afterwards in a BBQ sauce on BBQ chicken pizza - that is great!
I think this is a great thing you're doing. Replication of results in important and not done often enough. -
I agree. Two birds with nothing on them. The only difference is one is on an empty container, one has the beer/spice/etc. in the container. Then you have to give samples to someone who doesn't know what you are up to to see if they detect a difference.The Naked Whiz
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The Naked Whiz wrote:I agree. Two birds with nothing on them. The only difference is one is on an empty container, one has the beer/spice/etc. in the container. Then you have to give samples to someone who doesn't know what you are up to to see if they detect a difference.
my wife did a blind tasting and easily detected the difference in the taste. she's also REAL UP on craft beer, knows a ton about it. she had no idea which bird was which.
a agree that raw birds would be a better test, but there was absolutely zero doubt the birds tasted diffferent. -
I'd up it to three birds (no seasoning of course)
1) empty ass-can
2) ass-can with water
3) stout ass-can -
Thanks for the follow up. I agree, both birds should be done on one egg.
If possible try and do a third bird w/o beer can.
GG -
three birds it is next time.
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I really can't tell much difference when cooking parts, spatchcock, beer can or whole. I have mostly gone to whole and once in a while spatchcock.
What I have found a big difference in is pulling the bird at 165° breast or taking the bird to 190° - 200°.
The lower temp pull is always extremely moist and the higher temperature is a great deep BBQ type flavor.
Both cooks are tasty with eating the meat or using the meat in another cook. For example chicken salad, it is amazing the difference in salad flavor between the two cooks.
GG
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