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Newbie Needs Help W/15-Lb. Boneless Pork Shoulder

BerryB
BerryB Posts: 3
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
Hi,

Just bought a large egg and have used it 3 times. Have a BBQ for 35 coming up and am looking for advice (how-to and recipe recommendations) on cooking a 15-lb boneless pork shoulder that seemed like a good idea at the time. Now I'm not so sure.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Berry

Comments

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,597
    if its in a cryovac its likely two smaller ones
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • civil eggineer
    civil eggineer Posts: 1,547
    Most times it is 2 butts like previously mentioned. I would also advise you cook 3 butts weighing 20 lbs total for 35 people.
  • Ripnem
    Ripnem Posts: 5,511
    Berry,

    You've got 2 shoulders in that pack, probably 7 and 8 lbers. First calibrate your dome thermometer in boiling water. Fill the entire fire box and even into the fire ring a bit with lump, no ash and some smoking wood mixed in. I use 5-6 good sized pieces of Apple. Then get your egg set-up indirect with platesetter (assuming you have one) and a STABLE 250 degree fire. I would say 45-60 minutes at 250 would be stable for a beginner. Most of us use mustard on the butts first and then add your dry rub. Toss them on and don't monkey with the vents, because the temp will nosedive from the big cold hunks of meat. But the fire hasn't changed, so don't touch the vents. A wireless thermometer is really nice for butt cooks and you should expect a cook that will be from 12-14 hours +/- and hour :P. Once they are done, double wrap them in foil and place in a cooler and a bunch of towels or an old blanket. They will hold that way for 4+hrs if needed. I would leave it at least 45 minutes or so.
  • Ripnem
    Ripnem Posts: 5,511
    Good point, Tim. May as well do all 4 :laugh:
  • highpress
    highpress Posts: 694
    and they'll be perfect. In order to calibrate therms stick in boiling water, should read 212*. you can turn the nut on the back to adjust. Ok, 212 varies slighty depending on atmospheric conditions and your height above sea level, but 212* will be pretty dang close... HTH. :silly:
  • deepsouth
    deepsouth Posts: 1,796
    i was hoping for a pic of a 15lb pork shoulder!!!

    i thought the same thing when i bought my first multi-pack!

    cheers.
  • Hi B.B. & Welcome
    You will get many different suggestions to choose from on this forum. My personal suggestion is first to do it right you need a remote therm for meat to give you readings while BGE is closed, such as a Maverick from BB&B or a Polder sold at many grocery, Target etc. Also a plate setter and drip pan with VRack, if you dont have that I used before a large ceramic pot bottom such as you would put under a plant from Home Depot, Lowes, etc. and drip pan with VRack on top. See Photo below. You want to open BGE least amount needed as it will dry meat and loose temp the more opened. Fill BGE as much as you can with lump. Start BGE and get to 250 and level off temp by adjusting vents. Rub your butt :ohmy: with seasoning of your choice. If you have time for mail order, try Dizzy Dust, if not grocery carry's P.P BBQ Magic and Grill Mates by McCormick or maybe stop by your local grill store. Put probe in butt and close BGE and do not open till butt hits 195-200. Hope this helps and post some pic's when you get a chance.

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    BGE'er since 1996 Large BGE 1996, Small BGE 1996, Mini BGE 1997
  • kmellecker
    kmellecker Posts: 332
    Ripnem is right on the money although I have had 8lb Butts go 16+ hours. The only thing I would add is once you put the Butts on and close the lid, leave it closed. No peaking despite the temptation. Believe me, they will turn out crowd pleasing perfect. By the way, welcome to the wonderful world of Egging and the Forum.
  • Ripnem
    Ripnem Posts: 5,511
    a drip pan is a good idea too. Pull them off once they hit 195ish.

    Another heads up is regarding the plateau, it is typically around the 160+ range and will stall like crazy and can last hours. More often than not my temps actually drop a few degrees. Once it clears that range it will climb as it was before.

    Enjoy it and don't worry about a thing. ;)
  • Ripnem
    Ripnem Posts: 5,511
    Little Steven just had one go for like 20 hours or something crazy. :pinch:

    Okay kids, wake-up it's time for dinner. :laugh:
  • Ripnem
    Ripnem Posts: 5,511
    Tim,

    What's the Pheasant crop looking like this year?
  • The most frequent mistake that new people make when cooking their first butt is they cook it too low. This is either due to a poorly calibrated thermometer (factory defaults suck) and the fuzzy-ness between 'how low and slow'.

    1) To mocking bird: Because it is a relatively new egg make sure you calibrate the thermometer per the instructions.

    2) Do NOT cook below 250oF. At this temp reading in the dome, it is probably a little less than that at the grate (225?). Anyway better done slightly earlier than way late. 250 - stick with it. There is very very little to be gained if anything at all in cooking any slower than what is achieved at cooking at 250F. (Although many think the benefits of low and slow are over-rated but we can debate that in another thread).

    3) Cooking times with butts are variable due to how good your precision and accuracy of achieving 250 (see point 1). Also, the fat content of the particular butt you have will also influence cooking times. This is difficult to control and estimate - just something to be aware of.

    4) My belief at least, if you do see a small drop in the temp reading of your butt midway though, it is because you have your probe in a low fat area of the butt. This will go up above the rendering point and then rendered fats from other parts of the butt will migrate to the area giving an illusion that somehow the butt temperature went down. Nothing to worry about and it's largely semantics because the butt isn't done until >195 so who really cares what's going on at 150-160 range.

    Butts are super easy to make and close to impossible to wreck. If it comes out a bit dry, add a good BBQ sauce on top and it'll be great.
  • I did 2 boneless pork butts as my first cook on my new large 2 weeks ago and it went far easier than I thought it would.

    1) Definitely calibrate the dome thermometer. Use a meat thermometer too if you have one, and especially if you are used to relying on one. I didn't use a remote thermometer.

    2) Follow everyone's advice on how to fill the egg w/ fresh lump, using the platesetter and geting the temp stable at 250F. The temp at meat level will be closer to 200F.

    3) When pork reaches the internal temp where the collagen begins converting to gelatin, the temp in the egg will drop while this process is taking place. Don't open the egg, just let it cook/smoke away.

    4) I wrapped my sholders in aluminum foil, and then in towels and kept them that way for about 10 hours till dinnertime. They were still warm and I "pulled the pork" and mixed all the bark and "white" meat together just before serving. Unbelievably juicy! Now I know why everyone who owns an egg one talks like they've had a religious conversion.

    I used a homemade 5 spice rub w/ 2 pieces of cherry wood with a piece of hickory for smoke, and since they were two boneless pork butts, I put a piece of aluminum foil under each butt to act as a small heat shield so the meat didn't dry out too much. Don't know if the foil was actually any use or not.

    Good luck with your first bbq!
  • berrygood
    berrygood Posts: 372
    Berry, one of us needs to change handles! I'll flip you for it... Wait, I was here first.
  • FlaPoolman
    FlaPoolman Posts: 11,677
    10 hours? I don't keep my fishing bait out that long :ohmy:
  • WessB
    WessB Posts: 6,937
    I would have to agree 10 hours is an awfully long time..
  • deepsouth
    deepsouth Posts: 1,796
    my butts are lucky if they sit in a cooler for two hours. always at least one, rarely more than two.
  • triehle98
    triehle98 Posts: 208
    Jason , Here is a 24lb shoulder in case you have never seen one . it took 33hrs to cook . I think next time ill get a few 8lb butts insteat of this monster.

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  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    APPLE? On a butt? Hickory, man, hickory! Or oak. Or both.

    Mustard is for hot dogs.

    :evil: :lol:

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • interesting, the idea there that maybe some fat from elsewhere in the butt nearby cools the thermometer, making for a short-lived drop in thermometer reading, though not really indicating a drop in temp of the entire butt itself

    i wonder where it was i heard that the first time?
    hahahaha
  • Mainegg
    Mainegg Posts: 7,787
  • Mainegg
    Mainegg Posts: 7,787
    OUCH... 10 hours :sick: I would be a little nervous with that long. 4 is the most I have gone to be feeding others and still comfortable with serving it.... best test is the temp when they start dropping you are in trouble. preheat the cooler and toss the towels in the dryer. it all helps.. a few warmed fire bricks wrapped will also or wrap and into the oven if you have to.but I do not think I would go for 10. and I have an iron tummy :P
  • Yes I agree w/MainEgg
    10 hours is DANGEROUSLY long to hold meat. You never want interal to drop below 140-145 to be on safe side.
    BGE'er since 1996 Large BGE 1996, Small BGE 1996, Mini BGE 1997
  • You've taught me so much, I thought you would appreciate it that I returned the favour ;)

    But seriously, I don't think it's not a bad working theory.
  • double negative... i see what you did there ;)
  • hornhonk
    hornhonk Posts: 3,841
    It's not the weekend yet. Everyone play nice. :)
  • walrusegger
    walrusegger Posts: 314
    If you have the two butts in a cryovac, I would recommend cooking them separate...BUT, those bone out ones tend to have little pieces of flap that hang out form the main hunk. I would highly recommend tieing them so that it's as close to two round tight hunks as possible (I just use that turkey twine stuff). Otherwise those hanging pieces tend to burn up and aren't very good (this was my very first exp with pork butt on the BGE). I go to a local butcher now for bone in or one of the local grocery stores always has smaller bone ins in the 4-6lb range.

    Also, 10 hours is too long IMO, but I rest for at least 2-3 hrs, did the last one for the office and rested 4 hours, still hot when I pulled it from the cooler and pulled it.

    Good luck
  • BerryB
    BerryB Posts: 3
    Thanks to all for your advice which I have copied out and am studying. In particular I want to acknowledge Ripnem, Grillin & Chillin, Tweev-tip, Eggo Pacifico and Walrusegger for their instruction and comments. I'm really looking forward to this and will let you know the outcome.

    BerryB