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stoker or bbq guru?

stones
stones Posts: 61
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
i have had my egg for about a month now. i have done everything from burgers to mad max turkey,ribs,chicken,pizza etc, i am ready to move into pulled pork and brisket but i also want to start getting ready for my next accessory. So guru or Stoker????
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  •  
    I ended first buying the DigiQII (q2) but still wanted the computer hook up ability and remote access. So I got the Stoker too.

    Both great units. So it's up to you, less geeky q2 more geeky Stoker. Sometimes I like to monitor multiple meats on one egg so I use the Stoker.

    When using the q2 my eggs are far enough away from me that I also use the Maverick ET-73 for remote monitoring and alarms. The stoker connects to the notebook or any other portable wifi device.

    GG
  • The Whiz did a comparison of a few models. Check here and hopefully you can get the model you need. I have the Q II and it is a good unit.

    http://www.nakedwhiz.com/productreviews.htm
  • I like the Stoker that I have. I connect to my PC via a wireless network. I also at times set it up so I can monitor/change temp of a cook from my mobile phone. Another benefit I see with the Stoker is the ability to control multiple BGEs. I have two Lg BGEs and can control them both with 1 stoker (just buy two fans).

    I really have no experience with the Guru. You might want to check The Naked Whiz site and there is an in depth comparison.
  • I use the Stoker. I like to use double meat probes on my whole briskets, or each pork butt has it's own meat probe when you cook two. I like the expandability it gives me.

     

    -SMITTY     

    from SANTA CLARA, CA

  • The guru folks have a new product out now that can run 2 pits simultaneously from your computer. Give them a call, great customer service.
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I must be missing something here. I thought that the egg was designed to maintain whatever temp you stabilized it at. I know mine does anyway. I have yet to do a low 'n slow overnight, but when I do them during the day, I stabilize at 250 and it just sits there - at 250 - all day long. Just sayin'......

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • stones
    stones Posts: 61
    it;s not a question of "need". It is just a very nice device that can be helpful and
    lets you get a bit more exact on your temps. Its all part of the fun, accessories.
  • I find the Egg can do that, but sometimes doesn't. I did a butt cook Friday night through Saturday afternoon that had me scrambling early Saturday when my lump burned a hole (I had plenty of fuel) and the temp dropped to about 150. It had been stable at 230-240 for hours before that.

    It's not unusual - I find myself having to "goose" the air flow on almost all my low-n-slow cooks at some time to get the fire to jump to lump that's just a little too far away. Using the DigiQ will do that automatically, and throttle back the air once the fire's stoked properly again. And I'll sleep better.
  •  
    Vertical burns do happen. I had one with the DigiQII. I now am more careful how I light the lump no matter if I am using the Stoker or q2 or letting the egg control the temperatures.

    GG
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    Both do a great job of temperature control.

    If you would like to hook it up to your computer network or the Internet using a wireless connection then the Stoker is the way to go. This enalbes you to monitor and control your cook from anywhere with an Internet connection.

    If you plan to use it by reading it and controlling it directly from the unit (at the Egg) then the Guru is probably a better choice.

    I have a Stoker and control it entirely from my computer or iPhone. Apart from plugging in the probes and turning the control unit on, I don't actually touch the controller.

    The Stoker is more versatile and less expensive than the CyberQII, but the CyberQII has an easier to read display and top-notch customer service.

    Mark
  • Bacchus
    Bacchus Posts: 6,019
    You should learn to control and stabilize the egg on your own before getting a draft controller. The Egg itself is so much more stable than most conventional smokers.
    You dont have a hair on your Stones if you can't cook bbq without a draft controller.
    Maybe a handle change is in order. "Stoneless", "Sans Stones", etc.
  • Rather than start a new thread, I was wondering how long it took to receive your Stoker?

    I ordered my Stoker last Tuesday (dec. 15th), and the status of my order on their website is saying that it's still Pending. I was hoping I would get it in before Christmas, so I could do a few cooks with it this weekend. I've got my wireless bridge in, so I'm ready to use the Stoker remotely. I guess I could call them, but I don't want to hound them. I guess I'm wondering how long it takes them to ship it? A week, two weeks, a month???
  •  
    "If you plan to use it by reading it and controlling it directly from the unit (at the Egg) then the Guru is probably a better choice. "

    That and if you only plan on one fan and one meat probe the q2 'feels' easier to use. However, both are very simple. After having both for a while now the Stoker only has a bigger 'footprint'. I do like the damper feature on the blower.

    Both are great units.

    GG
  •  
    The only disadvantage with getting my Stoker was the delay with them having the probes ready. There was a delay in getting mine.

    We are getting to be and 'instant' world and it seems the delay's get more and more frustrating.

    If I recall corectly, it took a couple of weeks after I sent payment.

    GG
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    GoonSlapper wrote:
    Rather than start a new thread, I was wondering how long it took to receive your Stoker?

    After 2 weeks, I called Rocks Barbque. John told me that my unit was being shipped that day (I received it 4 days later). I can't hurt to call.

    Mark
  • Celtic Wolf
    Celtic Wolf Posts: 9,773
    I can cook sans controllers, but I prefer a restful sleep.. Hench the Guru's
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    Carolina Q wrote:
    I must be missing something here. I thought that the egg was designed to maintain whatever temp you stabilized it at. I know mine does anyway. I have yet to do a low 'n slow overnight, but when I do them during the day, I stabilize at 250 and it just sits there - at 250 - all day long. Just sayin'......

    There's a lot more to it than just stability. But while we're on stability, it takes a while to get the Egg there. After establishing the fire, you have to wait for all the ceramic (platesetter included) to get to temp. Then get your meat in, and if it's a full setup, then wait while that stabilizes to find out if an adjustment is necessary. That can take an hour to 2 hours. With a draft controller, that time is significantly reduced. Once the fire is established, you can throw your stuff in the Egg and let the controller sort out the fine tuning.

    Every time you open the Egg, the temp spikes, and the fire can change, thus requiring an adjustment. A draft controller takes care of those adjustments.

    There's also the issues of monitoring and control. With a remote-capable controller, you can change your cook temp, or simply monitor where things are from anywhere (not just within the distance of a remote thermo unit). That alone is a reason for some to get a draft controller.

    Then there's the peace-of-mind on an overnighter. Even the most eggsperienced are not immune to temperature fluctuations during an overnighter.

    All these things suggest that people who like to cook and sleep at the same time, or do a bunch of stuff while cooking could have use for a draft controller.

    Mark
  • I heard Rock's Bar-B-Que had over a 100 orders after the first airing of the TLC show. I think he has shipped about half thus far.

    The Holiday business along with the show's added business has them a bit backed up with orders currently.

     

    -SMITTY     

    from SANTA CLARA, CA

  • Bacchus
    Bacchus Posts: 6,019
    Why would you open the egg during a butt cook?
  • Thanks Grandpa Grub, SkySaw, and SMITTYtheSMOKER, for the info.

    I'll just wait patiently for the Stoker. I would prefer to have it soon, but if it takes a while, so be it.
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    A draft controller is useful for lots more than just cooking butts/briskets.

    Mark
  • Yikes, even with the DigiQ? I'll have to keep an eye on that baby after all.
  • stones
    stones Posts: 61
    my only concern with the stoker is how complicated is it to set up on my home network? will i be able to control and get feedback on my apple notebook?
  • stones
    stones Posts: 61
    whT DO YOU MEAN "WIRELESS BRIDGE"?
  •  
    There are a lot of mac folks using the stoker and there will be a lot of help available for you.

    The Stoker is not complicated ot use.

    GG
  • stones
    stones Posts: 61
    Grub,

    out of the box can you tell me the quick and dirty set up , step by step to be up and running on a home network. I am not so much a computer geek hence my apprehension. I do think i would perfer to ultimatley control via home network. Just sounds cooler and more versatile. But I am always concerned when more tech savy people make like its nothing to configure a network. So , any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    I also could use a great pulled pork recipe.:)
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    A wireless bridge is an Airport Express.

    Here's how to set up a Stoker on a home network (and the internet) using a Mac:

    http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&func=view&id=770727&catid=1

    Mark
  •  
    I'm a Windows guy and Mac is a different world for me.

    {edit} I just read SkySaw's post above. That is probably a lot more clear than what I have stated below.{end edit}

    My side.... I have set up a network in my home consisting of cable modem (provided by comcast) then I used Wireless router (I am using a Linksys), the wireless router connects to a switch via CAT6 cable. Then the switch connects to the 5 computers via CAT6 cabling. 2 notebooks are connected via wireless.

    That is it for the networking side of all this.

    I connect a cat5 or cat6 (internet cable) to the stoker. The stoker then is assigned a IP address from the wireless router. xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx I remember that number or write it down. Go in to any of my computers and type that IP address into a browser and the Stoker shows up in the Browser screen.

    All works well to this point.

    Here is where I am having problems. I want to use a second Linksys located at the egg and connected to the Stoker. As I understand things this is an access point. Then both Linksys boxes will connect wireless. Thus eliminating having to run a CAT6 cable from the Stoker in through a window, across a room and into the switch or directly into the router.

    Back to you.

    If you have your Mac hooked to a router then you could do the same steps as I do at the present time.

    As I understand things on the Mac side. You have available an "Air Port" (I am guessing it is a type of router). The Air Port/AirPort connects to the Stoker and you are up ang going.

    Back to my side. If I want to control the stoker via a phone or other wireless device away from my in house network, I would open my network or the stoker to the web. I have to give permission for this to happen. At that point anyone in the world who knows the IP address can access and control my cook.

    Several members have opened up their stokers so we on the forum could watch the progress of their cook. It works very well.

    If you call Rock at Stoker he will also set up a Stoker so you can watch a Stoker working.

    If you want further details I would suggest you make a now post asking for help with a Mac and the Stoker.

    GG
  • stones,

    I was reading about the Stoker before I bought one, and in order to access your Stoker remotely, you'll need to hook it up to your home network. The stoker doesn't have wi-fi, you can only hardwire it to your router. So, if you don't want to hardwire it, you'll nee to use a wireless bridge.

    I used RU Eggsperienced's schematic to figure out what I needed. http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&func=view&id=753058&catid=1

    I bought a bridge off Amazon for about $40/$50. I'm usually on my computer, and/or my iphone, so this was a no-brainer for me. I also liked the ability to add more fans and probes to the Stoker, in the event that I get more BGE's.

    BTW, I received a call from Rock's Bar-B-Que, and they did confirm that they had a backorder on Stokers, specifically the probes. I've got no problem with this, and I'll be excited when I receive it from them. Would I like to receive it soon? Yes. Is it going to make me think less of them? No. It's more like a kid receiving a Christmas gift. I want to use it now, since it's a new toy. Even though I know I'll have it for such a long time.

    I'm sure you'll enjoy whatever device you get.

    Edit to add: This is the bridge I bought on amazon...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002Z45DQ/ref=oss_T15_product