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Not getting smoke ring I want on Ribs!

LFGEnergy
LFGEnergy Posts: 618
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
Still a relatively newby, but getting better with practice ;) .

However, not finding the smoke ring I am looking for. Have tried a few things:

1. handful of oak chips over coals
2. Two fist sized oak chunks.

Not soaking wood. Neither is giving me much smoke flavor, or at least what I am looking for.

Is anyone getting a Bad A**S smoke ring, and if so, please share! I just hear about folks saying they can get too much smoke, but I have not gotten there.

Also, cooking at about 230 to 250 for about 3 hours.

Tried going hotter and shorter, and while good texture, no flavor.

Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks BGE Family!

Dave in Keller, Tx

Comments

  • BobS
    BobS Posts: 2,485
    Getting smoke and getting a smoke ring are not necessairly the same thing.

    The smoke ring can be elusive, but if you cook with smoke you should be getting the flavor.

    I prefer hickory for ribs and have some small-med chunks on top of the lump that will get involved as the fire developes.

    If you are set on a smoke ring, be sure that the meat is cold (gives more time before the temp is reached where the reaction stops. Have your temp lower in the beginning and add a little curing salt to your rub and let it work in before you cook.
  • Richard Fl
    Richard Fl Posts: 8,297
    I do babys at 225-250 for 5-6 hours. Don't open lid for first 3 hours and then spritz with different liquids, depending on mood, every 20-30 minutes.
    St Louis and beef 6-7 hours. Couple handfuls of dry chips or small chunks, usually apple. Have nice rings. sauce last hour or so.

    Baby Backs indirect.

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    Finished 5 1/2 hours

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  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    BobS,

    Thanks for input.

    Are you getting a deep smoke flavor into pork? How hot and how long? May trying going down to the 210-230 range and going 5 to 6 hours per Richard FL below.

    Thanks again for taking time to share.

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Those look beautiful!!!!

    Am going to try a little cooler on temp, a little more wood, and a little longer next (also going to calibrate my thermometer - getting feeling it is reading hot).

    Thanks for input! ;)
  • troutman
    troutman Posts: 498
    Start out with cold pork. Mix chips into lump or put several wood chunks in lump while building fire (no soaking). Let temp stabilize for at least 45 minutes, then put cold pork in BGE.

    I never cook babybacks less that 5 hours, sometimes do 3 hours, then 30 mins foil, then 1.5 hours+ until rack is limp.

    That should give you better smoke rings, and I generally use a mix of pecan and cherry. Good luck.
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Thanks for input!

    You know, I did something I typically dont do the last cook, and that was making sure I took the meat out of fridge an hour or so before grill so it WASNT cold! That is likely in part why I was sooo surprised I got very little smoke into ribs on last cook. I was stumped.

    Heading home to practice low and slow (with cold ribs!).

    Thanks again!

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • troutman
    troutman Posts: 498
    Yeah, I kept warming up the pork like the beef until I finally tried it cold based on advice here. Seems to make a difference.

    I alway let beef warm up, but not pork or chicken. Enjoy and let us know how it works out. I'm interested to see if you think the cold pork makes a difference, and I know the longer cook will make better ribs.
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Will do, will post a few photos if I dont mess up too bad!

    Thanks again, have a GREAT weekend!

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • JB
    JB Posts: 510
    I do mine for at least 6 hours, typically with apple or cherry- 4-5 chunks, and get a good smoke flavor.

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  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Looking tasty! Heading to house to practice!!!

    Have a great weekend.

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • Rolling Egg
    Rolling Egg Posts: 1,995
    Are you throwing your wood on right when you put the food on? If not, then try that. That's the way I do mine. Also keep you ribs as cold as possible before putting them on. I have rubbed mine and put them in the frezzer for about 20 minutes before cooking. Good Luck!
  • CBBQ
    CBBQ Posts: 610
    Sometimes the smoke ring is affected by the type of wood that you use. Oak is a very light colored wood and "sometimes" doesn't lend itself very well to leaving a ring. Woods like hickory and cherry do.
    The other thing with ribs is that depending on the thickness the smoke can penetrate all the way through and leave no ring at all.
    I'd be more concerned about the lack of smoke flavor. As others have said, the colder the meat the better. And make sure you are removing the membrane off of the back of the ribs so that the smoke can get into both sides. If you are already doing that you might want go to a stronger wood like hickory or add more during the cook.
  • BobS
    BobS Posts: 2,485
    I generally cook at 250, indirect, for 5 hours. I generally do not wrap them.
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Thanks for input! What do they say about great minds! I came home, rubbed the ribs, and put them in Freezer for about 20 minutes - they were good and chilled when they hit the grill!!!

    We will see. Hoping for the best :whistle: . Also tried a little Cherry this time with the oak (not a big hickory fan, and burned out on Pecan).

    Take care, enjoy the evening!

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Thanks for input. The cold thing completely eluded me. Did my rub this time and put them in freezer for 20 minutes. They were good and chilled before they hit the grill.

    Also, threw some Cherry in with Oak. Not a big Hickory fan, and burned out on Pecan. Right now it is smelling awesome! Also, watching temps a lot closer.

    Have a great rest of weekend.

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • hornhonk
    hornhonk Posts: 3,841
    Hey Dave, are you coming to Plano in 3 weeks?
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Don't try to blast the ribs with smoke or rush geting to the pit when you see white smoke, all you will do is give your ribs a bitter flavor. One thing to consider is that you may not notice an actual ring because sometimes you have pushed it through. In other words the entire 3/8" cross section of the rib is a ring.

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    That said, several things help with ring formation:

    1. Cold meat

    2. One or two briquettes on top of your lump (they contain more nitrites/nitrates than lump) will make a nice ring. Sea salt also helps and was most likely used on this one. (it has more nitrates than other salts)

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    3. Nitrites in another form. ;)

    The first two tricks will usually work. The third method will always work, hands down every day of the week, inclucing Sunday. (actually, I can pull a smoke ring in the oven with a doctored briskee.... Heheee. Here is a flat that has been TQ'd for 10 or 15 minutes, rinsed.... rested, and cooked as normal.

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    You can do the same with ribs.
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • Chappy
    Chappy Posts: 198
    I wouldn't worry about a smoke ring with ribs. You won't notice a difference in taste at all.

    With brisket, TQ works like a charm. It gives you a very nice one, but the flavor doesn't change. I still use it because I like to see it on brisket.

    If you use 2 chunks on ribs, you will be fine. You'll get all the smoke you need.
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Thirdeye,

    The ring on your ribs is where I want to get to :woohoo: . Last night, put nice and chilled ribs on with about 5 chunks of oak and cherry (mixed), about 3.5 hours, with last 45 minutes at about 300 F (folks wanted to eat...). I think I got about half way there (every body eating said they rocked...but what do they know! B) ).

    Going to store this AM and trying again. Smoking at about 235-240 (temp at grill level measured with Maverick), planning on 3 hours closed, then spritzing with apple juice vineager every 30-40 minutes to about 5 or 5.5 hours. Rub is mustard, then an ObieQue sweet rub.

    Any tweeking to the above would be appreciated, or if I am still off base, please share!

    Thanks for your post - your finish is exactly where I want to get to.

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    Hadnt heard about it. Can you send me a link or drop some information to lfgenergy@verizon.net? Probably would not cook, but would love to drive up and learn a few new tricks and meet some folks!

    Thanks,

    Dave in Keller, TX
  • LFGEnergy
    LFGEnergy Posts: 618
    JB,

    Went and grabbed some Cherry at your recommendation. I REALLY like the flavor you get off of cherry. Mixed with oak - really good. I had been moving to Pecan, but I think the oak/cherry mix is much better.

    Thanks! :)
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
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    In all honesty, most guests are very polite when it comes to critiquing food, so you kind of have to be your own judge. Being able to alter your style to satisfy guests is one of the keys. Of course, introducing them to something they have not experienced is cool too.

    You will see a wide range of methods used for ribs. What you are thinking is similar to the Car Wash Mike method (which is featured on my cookin' site), give it a look as it is a proven method.

    I don't use anywhere near 4 or 5 chunks of flavor wood, I also tend to cook hotter with baby back ribs, and therefore my cook time is shorter. I'm also not against using a foil step if I need to serve a more tender rib to meet the expected level of quality that other folks like.

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    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery