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Morton's TenderQuick & BBB

GreenEgger
GreenEgger Posts: 38
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
I was thinking about starting some Buckboard Bacon this weekend for the first time and thought I'd probably just use the Morton product since it seems to be the easiest to find close by. Does anybody have anybody have any experience or advice? Thanks!

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,592
    you can make this from scratch and its very good, no need to buy a kit.
    http://www.dizzypigbbq.com/recipesBacon.html
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • I have used it several times to make canadian bacon. I don't know about the buckboard bacon. I take a pork loin half (or two). and put it in a ziploc with one cup Morton's and one cup sugar. Pop it in the fridge for three or four days, turning the bag over daily. Then rinse the loins (or soak them and rinse for less salty). Cook em on the egg with as much wood chunk as you like. Done, slice and vacuum seal for the freezer. Heck of a good fried with breakfast.
  • emilluca
    emilluca Posts: 673
    I use tender Quick as a liquid cure. I believe it is one cup per gallon of water.
    I use 100% apple juice with pork instead of water and it works fine.
    I use a 9 x 11 pan with a small trash can liner full of the liguid cure and tied off then I turn the bag each day for up to 7 days for a butt and 3 days for a whole loin.
  • Davekatz
    Davekatz Posts: 763
    I use it all the time for Canadian-style bacon: http://www.food-fire.com/index.php/2009/02/03/more-canadian-style-bacon/.

    I just got done using to make 2 butts worth of cottage/buckboard bacon. Good stuff but I don't have any photos ready yet.

    Basically I used 1 tablespoon Morton Sugar Cure (Plain) per pound plus 1 teaspoon white sugar per pound and let this cure for 7 days. I soaked them for 3 hours in clear water, and then stored them in the fridge overnight. The next day I smoked them at 225°F until they hit 140°F.

    I let them cool and then sliced and bagged. Tasty stuff.

    Let me know if you have nay questions.

    Dave
    Food & Fire - The carnivorous ramblings of a gluten-free grill geek.
  • NoVA Bill
    NoVA Bill Posts: 3,005
    Hey Dave,

    That's pretty simple way to make some bacon. Like dat!

    I just looked at Hi Mts' BBB cure and it has all sorts of sugars in it and I'm sugar adverse. :blush:

    What would be the effect of leaving out the sugar out of your recipe? Any idea?

    Thnaks,
  • NoVA Bill
    NoVA Bill Posts: 3,005
    As I read more and look at the Morton products they all have sugar. So guess I'll be making a cure with Prague Powder No.1 and whatever spices I come up with.
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Bill,

    Be very careful with any of the pink salts like Prague #1 or Instacure #1 as the nitrate content amounts to 6.25%. I'm not suggesting it's dangerous or anything, it's used by the majority of the curing professionals... just be accurate in your measurements, and the other variables like times and temperatures.

    Pink salts are in contrast to home curing products like Tenderquick (which is 1% nitrare and nitrite blend) and Hi Mountain Buckboard cure.
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • Davekatz
    Davekatz Posts: 763
    I think sugar might be pretty intrinsic to the curing processes, as I've never seen a wet cure without it, but I'm really not sure.

    You could certainly dry cure with salt and herbs and air dry it, but that's a different product. Might be fun, though. More prosciutto than bacon.

    Not sure what the nature of your adversity is, but if it's a diabetic/simple carb issue, you might be okay as you're probably only retaining half the sugar in the cure due to the soaking process. If the issue is with sugar per se, then you could try honey, molasses or maple syrup instead.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes.
    Food & Fire - The carnivorous ramblings of a gluten-free grill geek.
  • NoVA Bill
    NoVA Bill Posts: 3,005
    Wayne,

    Always appreciate your advice. Any recommendation on how to put together a sugarless cure is/will be appreciated.

    Will still make the Hi Mt loin bacon for the wife, would not dare touch that one with a stick but I need something sugarless for my butt bacon.

    I'll vet any recipe I come up with on the forum to be on the safe side.

    Thank you,
  • Davekatz
    Davekatz Posts: 763
    No problem. I see from your breakfast post (looks nice, BTW) that it's a carb thing. In that case, try agave nectar as your sweetener. It's still a sugar, but its glycemic index is significantly lower.

    Best of luck,

    Dave
    Food & Fire - The carnivorous ramblings of a gluten-free grill geek.
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Tenderquick has been around for a long time and I have used it in various applications for 30 years. Interestingly enough although TQ was marketed as a "home curing" product, all the early methods discussed large quantities of meat. The Morton Salt Book's dry cure method for loins calls for 6 pounds of TQ per 100 pounds of meat, and the application is a three part delivery. 1/3 is applied, then in two or three hours the second 1/3 is applied, then twenty four hours later the remainder is applied. They mention an overhaul halfway through the process, and call for 10 days of curing time. No mention of a soak out or equalization steps.

    Motron's engineers kind of give canned responses when visiting with them on the phone. Usually saying things like, "use a tried and proven method with our products", from my experience they are not real good at shooting from the hip.

    All that said, there are tons of home curing folks that ust TQ in the 1 tablespoon per pound ratio, adding sugar and other spices to their taste. I used it on loins prior to switching to Hi Mountain's cure. And I honestly don't recall using it on butts as I believe that Hi Mountain was the one that opened my eyes to anything other than loin bacon. I used to add sugar, garlic powder and black pepper to the base cure. My curing times were about the same as I use now, I always turned more frequently than once, and I have always done a soak out and rest.

    I have a couple of bags of TQ I use for other things, so the next time I do some Buckboard, I'll do a side-by-side.
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • NoVA Bill
    NoVA Bill Posts: 3,005
    Thanks again. I'm saving that info.
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Bill,

    It has always been my understanding that the sugar acts to buffer the harshness of the salt, and adds some back flavor along the way. Like Dave mentioned, I don't think it's essential to the process, but let me check that out. I have tons of information on curing.

    It's possible that an alternative for you may be using a sweet pickle cure, which is a liquid brine. Maybe the amounts of sugar could be lessened because of the liquid delivery verses the dry cure delivery. I'll look into that approach too. Another thought here (and I'm really speculating).... I use honey as the sweetener in my pastramied turkey breasts which are injected with a curing brine that Old Dave helped me with. Maybe there is an option worth looking into here.

    Do you have issues with honey?
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • NoVA Bill
    NoVA Bill Posts: 3,005
    Thanks Wayne,

    Unfortunately it's a carb thing. I'm borderline diabetic and my last blood work showed good improvement by avoiding carbs so I'm continuing the life style change to loose weight and keep my "numbers" in the green.

    I appreciate all yours and Dave's advice.
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Bill,

    I checked a couple of my curing books, and all mentions of sugar in dry and wet cures seem to be to knock the edge off any harshness of salt. One mentions using a finer sugar, because less is needed..... but that statement is actually reminding us that with fine grains you would get more sugar than the same measure using a regular grind. (maybe 3/4 of a tablespoon of fine would equal 1 tablespoon of regular grind)

    Looking at different recipes, some of the cures for belly bacon have a lot more sugar than ones for Canadian (loin) bacon. So, it sounds like you need to experiment on your own.

    Neither TQ or Buckboard list the actual percent of sugar in their product, TQ lists only "sugar" as an ingredient, Buckboard lists "brown sugar and maple sugar". TQ has a total of 1% nitrate & nitrite, Buckboard has 0.7% nitrite. From my experience in talking to both Morton's and Hi Mountain, the folks at Hi Mountain are a little easier with the information. (of course I identify myself as a Wyomingite and a longtime user of their products and that might help) Just off the cuff here I'm betting the percentage of sugar in TQ is lower than Buckboard, because all cure recipes that call for TQ also call for additional sugar. Buckboard is ready to go right out of the box.
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery