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Holding Pork in Cooler - effect of many butts

Doug in Eggmonton
Doug in Eggmonton Posts: 1,999
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
Well what once was 50 pounds of pork is just about done and should come off at about 8:00 - 9:00 I figure. I plan to pull them at about 5:00. So I'm outside the generally suggested 4 hours. I'm even outside the 8 hours mentioned in the definative treatise on the subject by the Naked Whiz. But there are 6 of them, that's a whack of thermal mass.

Does anyone have a guess how much longer one gets from multiple butts or pre-heated bricks or heating the cooler?

Heres the pile of meat just after rubbing and before before it went on:

IMG_0243.jpg

Thanks

Doug

Comments

  • Spring Chicken
    Spring Chicken Posts: 10,255
    This came up a couple of days ago. If you double wrap the butts in foil, then a good thick towel and place in a cooler you should be able to get 5 to 6 hours with no problem.

    If you pre-heat your cooler you can probably get 2 to 3 more.

    Here's my butt-hold'n contraption and I've had butts and briskets in there for 5 hours and it was still so hot I needed heavy gloves to pull.

    SpringChickenputtingbuttsintheButtH.jpg

    Spring "Headed To Chim-Chimney's" Chicken
    Spring Texas USA
  • Gator Bait
    Gator Bait Posts: 5,244
    Aye Curumba, thats a pile of pork!!! :woohoo:

    Sorry I can't help with your question but I was impressed by that photo and hope you post more.

    Gator
  • bull
    bull Posts: 64
    Preheat your cooler with boiling water for 20 minutes.
    Dump out the water, wipe out the cooler bottom.
    Put a bath towel in the bottom, place your double wrapped butts in.
    Cover with another towel until there is very little air space at the top.
    Close top and you can hold your butts for 8 hours easily.

    Please be carefull opening the cooler cover as you will probably get scalded by the steam thats inside.

    Ive done this several times, with temps below freezing and still got scaled by the steam when opening the cooler.
  • Thats exacly what I'm doing thanks Bull. THe cooler is heating as we speak.

    Doug.
  • Thanks Sir Chicken

    I read that post but couldn't find it again. Tee cooler is heating, the butts have 2 more degrees, the towels and foil are ready.

    Thanks again

    Doug
  • I didn't get a photo of them going into the egg. It was stuffed to the rafters. I will take one on the way back out. And I'll try to talk one of my daughters to take a bunch of shots of the action tonight.

    Doug
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    careful with preheated bricks in a cooler. i took out one of my firebricks once, wrapped it in a towel, and it still melted a nice brick shaped cloth pattern into the bottom of the cooler. hahaha


    so. i'm usually the one least-panicked about holding times of cooked foods and all that similar jazz. but i think you are pushing it.

    my brain says that you have cooked, sterile chunks of meat, wrapped in clean food-safe foil, right? so where's the bacteria that's going to harm you even if it drops into the "danger zone" for four hours? seriously? what bacteria are gonna grow?

    the other thing is a bit of a question about the whole logic of the internal temp anyway. the internal temp is irrelevant. there are no bacteria IN the meat (even at the beginning of the cook). so if someone is persnickity about monitoring temps in a cooler, they really ought to be worried about the surface temp of the meat. and there's no way the surface temp lasts as long above 140 than the interior does. that thinking (to monitor internal temps) is as counter to the safety-zone "rules" as some of the other so-called iffy practices.

    long way to go to get to this... but my BRAIN still says you'd be fine, technically. but my gut says it's just not a good habit to get into, leaving warm meat in a cooler for 8 hours.

    i advocate pulling it all now, when it's at it's prime, and keeping it in foil trays or big tupperware bowls. 8, 9 hours is just a little much

    whenever i have a porkbutt cook that threatens to end early, i will often decide to clamp down the vents and let the things ride til they are 205 internal. that sometimes gives you another hour or two of cook time over the fire. stretches out the cook and cuts some time off the "how long can i hold it" conversation
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    You could leave a remote thermometer in one of the butts that is near the top or the side. If its internal approaches 140, then you will know for sure whether or not you are keeping your guests safe. In a cooler, the external should eventually = internal as it cools. Bacteria could be on your hands, in the cooler, on the towels, on the foil when you sneezed, etc. Wait, I'm not actually OCD.

    Mark
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    if that's the case, you could let it plunge under 140 for as long as four hours...

    but the internal temp isn't relevant. he needs to worry about the temp where the bacteria are, and whether there are bacteria there in the first place. there shouldn't be, but the whole idea of holding meat in acoolr for 8-9 hours is a little hincky, even to me.

    hahaha

    .
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • I am a caterer, and I do this all the time. When they are done, double wrap them in foil, put them in your oven set to 150-175.

    They can stay in there all day and they will still pull like they are afraid of the fork when you are ready.
  • They are in the oven at 165.

    Thanks for the advice

    Doug
  • Mainegg
    Mainegg Posts: 7,787
    pics Doug?? how did they come out? Julie
  • bubba tim
    bubba tim Posts: 3,216
    Keep practicing Doug! You will get there.. :lol: :P :lol: :P
    You must master temp, smoke, and time to achive moisture, taste, and texture! Visit www.bubbatim.com for BRISKET HELP
  • My camera melted :angry: just after here they are coming to temp picture and just before the tada moment, batteries are charging, next picture will be of them coming out of the oven.

    Here's the egg just before they came out egg at 230 dome, meat at 202. Aiming at 205. Foil at the ready.

    IMG_0245.jpg

    I took this picture and the camera went ZZZZZZZZ-click.

    Actually here's one of them in the oven cause the batteries are back.

    IMG_0247.jpg

    Could I possibly be more lame? :lol: :silly: :side: :whistle:

    Doug
  • Rolling Egg
    Rolling Egg Posts: 1,995
    I agree on the extended cook idea. I also have been six hours or so from serving and have shut down the vents on the egg and let em ride on up to 205 or even 208 before pulling. This has bought me a couple hours at times. Great advice on the outside surface temps. I never have thought of it like that.