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rlsrlj
rlsrlj Posts: 13
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
Hi Everyone!

I just joined the forum, I got a med. size BGE today. I am in the process of putting an outdoor kitchen together. I am planning on using my new med BGE plus an XL Oval for big parties. This is my first experience with a ceramic cooker and I learned a few things during my first burn tonight:

1. I didn't put enough lump charcoal in the bottom...the temp never got over 300 until I took everything out and loaded more in.

2. I didn't leave the top open long enough to let the temp rise...once I put more charcoal in and let the top stay open-I was finally cooking.

I cooked potatoes in an aluminum pan, 2 ears of corn and 4 porch chops...all yum!

3. Smoke production. Since my outdoor kitchen isn't finished, I just set up on a table in my screened in porch-bad idea. I couldn't believe the amount of smoke it produced once the temp started to rise. Hopefully this time next week my kitchen will be finished and I can put in in it's new home.

I look forward to learning lots of great info from the forum...just wanted to say hello...

Richard

Comments

  • popagar0
    popagar0 Posts: 136
    welcome, you will learn very much here. enjoy you egg
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    Congratulations Richard and welcome to the forum.

    I have not used an oval so I am not sure of the characteristics of it.

    How much lump did you put in the medium and what did you use to light. What were the vent setting when you lit and how long did you leave the dome open?

    You are going to get a white smoke when lighting and that smoke will turn clear or a clear blue. Once the smoke is clear blue (with flavor wood in the lump) and if you are at temperature you are ready to cook.

    GG
  • EGGARY
    EGGARY Posts: 1,222
    XL Oval, like the Primo ?
    Welcome to the family.
  • rlsrlj
    rlsrlj Posts: 13
    yes,the Primo XL...

    I used all natural packet lighters..I think I am going to try the BGE ones. I out about 2/3 inches of coal on the bottom the first time...I added twice that much later when I couldn't get the temp to rise. Almost all of the first round of charcoal was used. I just checked, there is lots left in there.
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    Is there any other kind? :)

    GG
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    I am not sure what a "natural packet lighters" is.

    There a lot of ways to light you ceramic cookers and you will get a lot of different methods.

    Here is what I do.

    Fill your medium to at least above the bottom air holes in the fire box. If you are going to to a hotter cook or possibly a longer cook then fill up to the top of the fire box. If an over night cook I will fill up to the top or almost the top of the fire ring.

    Lighting. I used to use starter cubes, have gone to vegetable oil and 1/2 sheet of paper towel. Sometimes I will use a MAPP torch and sometimes if it is freezing out side and I don't want to be out in the cold I use a weed burner.

    With all lighting methods I take off the DFMT and fully open the bottom vent and screen.

    If using starter cubes. I break the squares in half and push in the sides to to get the cube more loose fibers rather than a hard cube. I move the lump over just a little so I can place the 1/2 cube down in the lump.

    I use 2 cubes (4 - 1/2 pieces) and place them at 3, 6, 9 o'clock and center. I hold them in some food tongs and get the 1/2 cube fully light and place them in the positions. I then move some of the lump close to the top of the burning cube.

    You are going to have to decide if you want the dome closed or leave the dome open for a time.

    Hope stike doesn't read theis... this hurts to say this (I wasn't going to tell anyone). However, stike said to close the dome as soon as the starter is light. I have to do some more testing to be sure, but it is looking like it works better to follow stikes suggestion - I think. (you are new, this is a joke for stike if he ever sees this - he will get the last laugh and I won't live it down).

    With starter cubes, your natural starter, oil / paper towel you will see the dome temperature climb.

    At some temperature at or above 500° (about 650° for me) the temperature peek and then steadily drop down to somewhere around 230° where it will hold and then begin to slowly climb.

    This step is important... When you get about 40° below your desired cook temperature close the bottom screen and close shut the bottom vent to about 1/3" open. Put the DFMT on the top of the egg. Close the slider and close the petals to about 1/4 open. This setting will get the egg stable somewhere around 250° or so.

    If you want to cook at 350° open the petals more and let the egg climb to where the temperature increase stops. Check again and adjust your vents. If you want to cook at 400° or higher then open the bottom vent (screen closed) to about 1/2".

    Only play with one vent at a time. Use the lower vent for course adjustments and the DFMT for finer adjustments. You will soon learn what your vent setting should be for a given temperature.

    Don't over heat the ceramics as far as cook temperature goes. It takes a long time to get the ceramics to cool back down and the process from going high to low is an easy way to choke out a fire.

    Oil/napkin method to see how this is done check this link - How To Use Oil & Paper Towel"

    On the large egg I use 2 (1/2 sheets) and on the medium I use 1 (1/2 sheet).

    You will get the same up down temperature as detailed above.

    A lot of people use a MAPP torch. I find the oil / paper towel lights just as fast.

    Here are my settings on the large for a 450° cook with lump filled low in the egg.

    eggsettings455.jpg

    That is enough for now. Ask if you have questions.

    GG
  • rlsrlj
    rlsrlj Posts: 13
    thanks for that great info...question- when do you add the food? I know the temp will drop again-after it has reached the temp you want? Or, after after it does it's drop? Also, won't the temp drop again after adding the food?


    Thanks!
  • Eggscriber
    Eggscriber Posts: 276
    Hey,
    The only other thing I can think of mentioning to you is that some charcoals seem to give off more than others, especially at lighting. I had a bag of Cowboy charcoal that I needed to use up and it smoked like a leaf-burning until it was all lit. Also, the lighting squares seem to generate a lot of smoke until they burn off. Has anyone else noticed that some brands generate more smoke than others?
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    if you are getting smoke from them (starter cubes), then they aren't getting enough air and are smoldering.

    the starter cubes require lots of air to stay lit. when i used them, i went vents-full-open and stayed near the egg to make sure they burnt off but that i also could dial the vents closed so it didn't overshoot.

    i use the paper napkin and oil trick. it burns hot, fast, lots of flame, and i can set vents right away for the desired final temp without needing to babysit.
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    the early temp rise is just flame from the starter stuff (whether cubes or paper or whatever). i don't even look at the thermo really, because you pretty much know that you just lit it, and the temp can't "really" be that high.

    actually, i probably spend a few minutes futzing around bridging lump over the fire, and covering gaps where the flame shoots out. it really gets the fire going, but it also probably keeps the flame from going as high as the thermometer. i don't think i really ever see high temps while lighting the egg...
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • Beanie-Bean
    Beanie-Bean Posts: 3,092
    Hi Richard,

    Congrats and welcome to the EggNation!
  • rlsrlj
    rlsrlj Posts: 13
    So just to make sure I am clear, you add the food when the temp is where you want it and it is stabalized?

    I know when you open it and add the food the temp will drop, so should i overshoot a little before opening?

    Thanks everyone!
  • Once the egg stabilize, leave the settings alone. When you add the food the temp will drop because of the open lid and the cooler temps of the food. The egg will recover to the stabilize temp if left alone, otherwise you will be chasing temp throughout your cook. Hope this helps and welcome to the cult.


    Andres
    Zuni, NM
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    After that first rise and following dip in teperature there will be slower climb in temperature. Sometime in that second increase the white (bad smoke) will change to clear or to a clear blue. You then want to stabilize the temperature. Once you have done that you are ready to put your food on.

    The dome temperature will most always drop when 1. the tome is opened. 2. any furniture (plate setter etc.) 3. put flavor wood on the lump 4. put food on. All this is normal and should be expected.

    If you have truly stabilized the egg do not change vent settings as the egg will come back to the previously stabilized temperature.

    Before opening the dome visually look at the settings of the DFMT and after closing again visually check again. If by chance there was a change then move the settings back to before opening the dome.

    If flavor wood had been put in the lump when lighting there may always be white smoke (good smoke). You can cup your hand over the smoke coming out of the dome then smell the aroma of the smoke. If the smoke has an acrid aroma the food will have an acrid flavor. If the white smoke is has a pleasant aroma then the food will get the flavor you intend.

    GG
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    For that reason I don't use starter cubes, I use the paper towel / oil method to light.

    If I do use starter cubes after the lump is lit I usually fish the cubes out of the lump.

    GG
  • rlsrlj
    rlsrlj Posts: 13
    I see, I figured I would have to allow more air to get the temp back up, but I guess not...

    I am wanting to cook again on it before my kitchen is ready. I would, but I would have to set it up outdoors. I would buy a nest but I will only need it for a couple of weeks. I guess I need to wait before trying again :angry:
  • Grandpas Grub
    Grandpas Grub Posts: 14,226
    NO.... don't overshoot temperature. You will always be chasing temperatures and changing vent settings trying to get things where you want them.

    Also, don't change both the bottom vent and top vent at the same time to correct temperatures.

    There will be a point in time when you will know about where your settings will be. Stike explained that a little in his above post. The post that talked about covering the napkin / oil with lump to eliminate a lot of flame.

    GG
  • AnnaG
    AnnaG Posts: 1,104
    Welcome! Congrats on your new BGE, you will not regret it. Please show us pics of your outdoor kitchen... :)