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Can any eggers in KC help me out? No flavor woes
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I understand.....douse was a little of an exaggeration, however I am a visual person and have problems with determining correct amounts when reading recipes if it's not EXACTLY specified what amount to use when I'm cooking...what is a good rule of thumb to use for salt?
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well, like all things it'll be to taste...
heck. i salt before hand and at the table. hahahaed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante -
I personally take a big pinch of kosher salt per side of steak, but as stike says it's a matter of personal taste.
Doug -
Mike,
By chance are the steaks at your local bar pan seared? Also, what cut are they using?
If they are pan seared, you could duplicate it on the egg by using a cast iron pan direct.
Also, some of the cheaper cuts of meat that local bars use have a different flavor. Some of the more expensive cuts of beef (tenderloin comes to mind) have a less "beefy" flavor, you end up paying more for a more tender steak.
I typically cook both Flat Irons and Rib Eye with Montreal Spicy Steak Seasoning and I promise you that lack of flavor not an issue. 'Course I normally eat mine on the rare side of medium rare as well, but everyone's tastes are different.
Just some thoughts... -
Springfield, MO is the last weekend in September.
Mike -
Sorry but this is going to be looong!
Hello, I am the one with the similar complaint about some bland food off the egg. My complaint has been mainly with BBQ. As far as steaks, after I figured out how to use the Sear/rest/roast or 'Trex' method and not over char the meat my steaks came out very good. I agree that you may be under-salting the steak. Much of the seasoning will fall off during cooking so don't be afraid of a good coating. I use Montreal seasoning alot and nearly cover each side before cooking. I would never go past medium with any good steak and med rare will be more juicy, I am sure you know that.
As far a the Brisket being bland I had pretty much the exact experience.
I am a pretty experienced cook, I lived and worked with a head chef from Johnson & Wales Culinary academy who taught me a lot about the importance of seasoning and sauces so I feel like I am qualified to at least offer my opinion. (which I am sure will be ripped to pieces by the experts)
What I think is happening (to me anyway)is a compound problem, I.E. more than one issue.
I personally believe that brisket tastes best when cooked, at least for the first part of the cook, at a temperature closest to its target finish temp which is around 200. I think that often times the egg wants to run quite a bit hotter than that, more like 250.
My theory is that during the cooking process in the egg, the chimney is nearly closed to keep the temp down, trapping in water vapor that should be escaping and creating a very steamy environment inside the egg while the meat is giving up its water. Steam cooks much faster than dry heat and the brisket essentially steam cooks its way through the vital early hours of the BBQ process. A side effect of this steaming is that some seasoning might wash off and/or not get into the meat as well.
The second part of my theory is that because the egg is so efficient and is burning so little coal to maintain 250 degrees, very little wood is actually being combusted early on when I believe the meat takes on the most flavor as well as develops a smoke ring. Unless a piece of wood is sitting directly in the pool ball sized spot that might be burning you won't get any real smoke. I understand the theory of the smoke 'seasoning' the meat throughout the cook but personally believe that BBQ takes on more flavor early in the cooking process.
I relate back to my experience making brisket in the old offset. I kept the cooking chamber at about 210 degrees and constantly was feeding it a steady diet of coal and hardwood with the chimney wide open until the meat is done. Smoke was always rolling, heavy at times and light at others and I never once had a brisket come out anything less than stellar with a beautiful deep smoke ring. One of the rules of cooking on an offset is to NEVER close the chimney at all unless you need to lower the temp quickly. This lets out the steam as well as the excess smoke nasties. With the egg you have to keep the chimney closed to keep the temperature down enough to BBQ.
Let the attacks begin!!!
GulfCoastBBQ -
I skipped one more point-
Water boils and turns to steam at 212F. If you can keep your cooking chamber below that, say 200-210 I think you will get a better product due to the drier cooking environment. Contrary to popular belief water and steam do not create juicy food, quite the contrary they tend to overcook foods quickly driving out the real source of flavor and juiciness which is melted fat. -
Not to much of an argument from me on temps. I try to keep my temps around 200-225 dome for the frist 3 hours on my ribs, brisket, and pulled pork. As far as moisture, that is the great thing about an egg, it retains moisture so well. I have cooked on an offset for 20 years in the grocery business. We used logs not chunks of wood.
As far as dry heat, I have no opinion. I just know I have cooked on both for years. And prefer my eggs.
Mike -
I'll offer a couple counterpoints.
First and most importantly, you can cook with the daisy wheel completely removed and control temps with the bottom vent. This would allow any steam or moisture to escape more readily.
While your dome temp may read 250 - the temp at the grid level is actually much closer to 210-215 - especially during those early hours of the cook.
Believe it or not, smoke flavor is not drawn deeply into the meat. Smoke particulates land on and loosely bind to the outer surface of the meat. These particulates don't care how done the meat is as they land there. The smoke ring does not create a smoky flavor, and conversely a lack of smoke ring does not indicate a lack of smoky flavor.
A target finish temp of 200 is a bit high for most briskets. I understand that some need to go that high in order to get tender, but there are many that are done in the mid 180 range as well.
If you want more wood to combust/smoke earlier in the cook, then once you light your egg and get it stabilized - as you add your meat remove your platesetter (or other indirect barrier) and place a few chunks directly on the hottest parts of the lump pile. The reassamble the indirect and put the meat on. This should get you maximum smoke early on as you theorize will help the smoke flavor of the meat.
I'm not saying your ideas are off base, but this information may help you reformulate some of your hypotheses. In short, if you are unhappy with your results there are some outstanding BBQ experts here and hundreds of years of BGE experience -- and many of these folks are standing at the ready to help each and every person that posts here. I'm no competition BBQ guy, and certainly not a trained chef. But I grew up in the heart of BBQ country and make some pretty good groceries on my eggs (so I've been told). I think the BGE makes great BBQ and I wouldn't want to cook on anything else. I hope you can get there too, it's a good place to be.
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