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650 degree plateau

hd-roadking
hd-roadking Posts: 10
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
I recently purchased a large BGE and love the thing. I have double smoked a ham and seared a couple of NY strips... both turned out very well. Two things however. First, my gasket has apparantly contracted (or shrunk)leaving about a 1/2" gap on the lower (base) unit. Is this normal within the first couple of uses? Second, before searing the steaks, the temperature topped-out at 650. The weather was in the mid to high 50's. Shouldn't I be able to get the egg up to 750 or so? I was using BGE lump and was careful to ensure no blockage for air drafting. Any help is appreciated.

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  • Celtic Wolf
    Celtic Wolf Posts: 9,773
    Yes but why?

    There is nothing that NEEDS to be cooked over 650.
  • Thanks for the quick reply. I like to sear my steaks at a very high temperature. Some steak houses sear at 1000 degrees or more and I love the char. I read where people regularly get their eggs at 750 and was just wondering if I need to be stoking to get the temp up. Also, any opinion on the gasket problem? Thanks.
  • Big Papa
    Big Papa Posts: 220
    Higher the temp the higher the chance of burning your gaskets.
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    is the daisy wheel off? my egg tops at 650 with the daisy wide open.
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • Celtic Wolf
    Celtic Wolf Posts: 9,773
    As long as the Egg is holding temps you should be fine.

    If it's not holding temp then it sounds like a gasket replacement is in order.

    As for the 1000 degree sears. Those restaurants are putting the meat in or near the heat source. As stike has pointed out many times the Dome temp is way lower then the actual temp of the burning lump. If you insist on that type of char get the meat closer to the lump. Though I have yet to see a major difference in a 650 degree sear and that 1000 degree sear. Other then the latter taking less time.

    While you can get your egg upwards of a thousand degrees you are asking for gasket failure. Again if you insist getting it that high them make sure the firebox is filled to the level of the fire ring. Make sure all the little holes are not blocked with smaller pieces of lump and keep the daisy wheel is off, bottom vent wide open
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    when restaurants say they sear at 1800 degrees, they are talking about the actual temp of the heating element. the air (the environment) is not at 1800. your lump, when the thermo is at 650, is roaring along at 1200-1400 degrees. the dome thermo tells you air temp, not radiant heat temps.

    when your thermo says 650, rest assured, you are actually searing at 1200 degrees or more.
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • Go to Naked Whiz' TRex page and read up on the TRex method of cooking steaks. This site also has a ton of info on high-heat cooking, gasket repair and FAQ's, and definitely read up on flashbacks - make sure you learn the tips on how to avoid blowing yourself up

    Best of luck - Marge
  • hmm...busted link - www.nakedwhiz.com, click on the doggie and off you go
  • heaven forbid that you and CW are agreeing on some point and i'm gonna disagree with both of you!. ...but i find when i'm searing thick (over 1 1/2 inches) sirloin steaks, that i find a very different texture to the meat when i sear at a dome temp over 750 (more like 850 - 950 degrees dome temp), than at a dome temp under 750 degrees .. .i sear for very precise times, exactly 30 seconds per 1/2 thickness of the steaks. .. .then, after a 20 minute rest (per trex's original directions) i dwell at precisely 400 degrees dome temp till done to my liking (typically 125 - 130 internal temps). ...again, the texture of the meat is very different based on the searing temps. . .. and this from meat that was cut from the same primal cut (i.e. i cut 8 steaks from the original primal strip i bought at costco). ...so i DO see merit in cranking up to 750 + for certain cooks on the egg, but at the same time you only need to be there for less than 5--10 minutes, and thats not enough time to cook your gaskets. .. .so that shouldn't be an issue. ..i've had my eggs for 6+ years now, done more high temp sears than i can count, and still have my original gaskets. . yes, they are thin and greasy, but they are still intact and aren't welded shut. ...

    to answer road king's original question though, to get above 650, he needs to make sure his fire box is lined up properly to the lower vent, his air holes are all clear, and top vent is removed completely. .. shouldn't have any trouble going nuclear then.. . .
  • As stated above heat differs with the difference of height away from the lump.

    I have taken a reading of the lump on my large which was 1100°

    If you like very high temp sears invest in a spider. The spider will allow closer to the lump cooking.

    With the spider, you will be able to get much higher temps. without having to put the gasket and or gasket adhesive in as much danger.

    GG
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    i don't mean to say that 650 is the same as 800, because of the sear temps, i'm just letting him know that noe restaurant "sears at 1800". the electric element they sear with is 1800, but the environment the steak is in is NOT.

    same for us. the dome temp may read one temp, but the charcoal is at 1200-1400. higher dome temps reflect even higher lump temps,or fire with more lump involved (at 650 dome, you may have 1200 degree lump, but not all will be lit), etc.

    i ain't disagreeing with max man (no more than i'm agreeing with CW. i often go higher than 650)

    just trying to disassociate lump temps versus dome temps when searing. of course the ambient (dome) temp has an effect, but what'ssearing the steak is the lump. the 650 temp is really roasting it (unless you open the dome, which would restrict all cooking to just the sear)
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    I've had a little gasket shrinkage after a number of uses. One has about an 1/8" gap where the two ends don't meet. 1/2" seems sort of large, but if it is only on one gasket, your seal should still be quite good.

    More often than not, I can get to 750, but occasionally the temperature will top out lower, say 650 and then actually decline. I can only suppose that the lump is compacting while burning. As has been said, at 650, you will still get a really good sear.

    As an aside, on Saturday I had some lump that just would not get going. I checked at about 10 minutes, the temperature was under 100. I checked at 25 minutes, and it was hardy 130. Checked at 35 minutes, and I thought it was at 0. Then I noticed the fierce heat distortion above the top vent, and realized that I was seeing the needle passing 800 :ohmy: . Had to wait another 35 minutes to get back down to where I needed the temperature.
  • Celtic Wolf
    Celtic Wolf Posts: 9,773
    there are exceptions to every rule :woohoo:
  • I had taken the daisy completely off the egg. No restriction at all. Don't get me wrong, my steaks came out great, but I understood that I should be able to easily reach 750 dome temp.

    Thanks for all the input. This is definately the best grill/smoker I've seen or used.
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    you should be able to. i just assumed 650 plateau was the same thing that happens to me. wide open daisy, i stop at 650.

    i'd ask how much lump you had, whether it was fresh (fresh will get you there quickly), whether there was a lot of ash around the back of the firebox... etc.

    750 isn't (shouldn't be, i mean) difficult
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • Fidel
    Fidel Posts: 10,172
    If someone else has asked it and I missed it, I apologize - but how much lump are you using? (eta: looks like stike asked while I was typing this)

    Just enough to cover the vent holes in the firebox is probably not going to get to 750 or above, and if it does it won't get there for long.

    Fill the firebox and let it go - and make sure you know about flashback.
  • I'll leave the high temperature question to the eggsperts, but if it's the wonderful "char" you're looking for, try coating the steak with melted butter before the sear. For a 3/4 inch NY strip at 650 I can guarantee a medium rare with a perfect "char" taste with 3 minutes on each side.
  • hd-roadking,

    If the good advice offered so far doesn't work, try increasing the air input by means of a fan or hair dryer or the like in the botom vent. Your thermometer could be off at the high end as well.


    Steve

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON