Demographics

Legume · September 11

My bible knowledge isn't what it used to be.

Can anyone help me out with this question?

Who were the white people in the Bible? Was it just the Romans? That's all that I can remember.

Gulfcoastguy · September 11

It depends on your definition, there were a lot of beige skinned, olive skinned, or even ebon skinned people mentioned in the Bible. As far as romans, they didn't believe in race as such. What was important to romans was if you were a citizen or not with various degrees of respect rising up from slaves, concubines, freemen, tradesmen and merchants, small property owners, large property owners, narrow stripe(on the toga) nobles, and broad stripe nobles. They were very patriarchal though with woman having the respect (about a notch below) of either their father or their husband .

JonWesson · September 11

Christian Bible, Torah, Quran, skin color not mentioned or of import in any of them. In the bible trump sells all good people are white, baddies are of various other colors and God is orange.

fishlessman · September 11

Legume said:

My bible knowledge isn't what it used to be.

Can anyone help me out with this question?

Who were the white people in the Bible? Was it just the Romans? That's all that I can remember.

if they were taking a us census....probably

Legume · September 11

Hmmmm.

I wasn't particularly interested in what the Romans thought of themselves. Question was more about the disconnect we see in the US pushing White Christian nationalism and, well, the origin of Christianity. Race is a more modern concept than the Bible, but I don't recall a lot of people being described as having come from what is now Europe. Roman's, Greeks, sure.

What you described sounds like it was a pretty diverse landscape, except no real "white Europeans"

So where did the white Christian nationalist thing come from - is this just cultural appropriation of a middle-eastern religion?

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

Well most of the white guys the Roman’s knew were either European barbarians or Roman slaves. Christian nationalism began following the Islamic invasion of Europe circa 700 AD.

fishlessman · September 12

Legume said:

Hmmmm.

I wasn't particularly interested in what the Romans thought of themselves. Question was more about the disconnect we see in the US pushing White Christian nationalism and, well, the origin of Christianity. Race is a more modern concept than the Bible, but I don't recall a lot of people being described as having come from what is now Europe. Roman's, Greeks, sure.

What you described sounds like it was a pretty diverse landscape, except no real "white Europeans"

So where did the white Christian nationalist thing come from - is this just cultural appropriation of a middle-eastern religion?

present day white christian nationalism in the us probably has to do with immigration policy, the 1800's to about mid 1920's was pretty much all white immigrants. my portuguese side came here during that time and they were not greeted with open arms. america wanted the english, french, irish, germans swedes italians etc. late 1960's early 1970's the americans from puerto rico were encouraged to migrate here, (i guess i moved to maine as a migrant, im sure the maniacs agree) then the other islands started immigrating here etc . pretty much all the french and irish etc churches here are now hispanic. near me anyways the new englandy french and island wars locally here have stopped. the french moved out, the puerto rican population has mostly left leaving a new population

lawrence ma

circa 2000

Dominican Republic, 22%; other Hispanic or Latino, 12%; Irish, 7%; Italian, 7%, French (except Basque), 5%; Black or African American, 5%; French Canadian, 5%; English, 3%; Arab, 2%; German, 2%; Lebanese, 2%; Central American, 1%; Polish, 1%; Portuguese, 1%; Guatemalan, 1%; Vietnamese, 1%; South American, 1%; Spanish, 1%; Cambodian, 1%; Scottish, 1%; Cuban, 1%; Scotch-Irish, 1%; Ecuadoran, 1%.

present

Black or African American (non-Hispanic): Around 2.3%

Asian (non-Hispanic): Around 1.7%

Native American or Pacific Islander (non-Hispanic): Less than 0.1%

Two or More Races (non-Hispanic): Around 1.8% - 1.9%

Hispanic or Latino: 81.7% - 82.3% White (non-Hispanic): 12.3% - 12.6%

hispanic or latino are probably the strongest christian community in the area for what its worth, would that be hispanic/latino christian nationalism

darn theres some friction thats going to last another thirty or so years. the population divisions have changed rapidly here over my lifetime, gets hard to keep up.

because of voter fraud here. a few years back with a council member chasing the postal truck and stealing mail in ballots from houses with trump posters out front, the city is pushing mass into a voter id law. will see what happens. just a new twist i did not see coming.

did i stay on topic.......

Legume · September 12

Spot on and informative Fish.

The Pilgrims and Puritans came here for freedom to practice their beliefs, get away from a church they believed to be corrupt and too symbolic.

Is the white Christian nationalist movement knowingly or unknowingly taking us back to the intolerant days of the Anglican Church?

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

Actually the Puritans were pretty fricking intolerant.

Legume · September 12

Gulfcoastguy said:

Actually the Puritans were pretty fricking intolerant.

Absolutely, but they left because the bigger church/government was intolerant of another religion. It's not about what they believed, but their ability to exist.

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

Then they did the exact same thing as England had done to them to others in their new home.

fishlessman · September 12

Legume said:

Is the white Christian nationalist movement knowingly or unknowingly taking us back to the intolerant days of the Anglican Church?

im not in a state where this happens much, only bible thumpers here are johovas and they dont fit the mold, very nonpolitical from the ones ive met, pretty harmless. a few old guys here and there that listen to the talk radio nonsense.

i remember filling out the hospital forms and checked white when i was younger, then i checked caucasian as i got older, they are removing those categories here and now i check none of the above cause its the only thing that fits on the form. race seems to be important on a medical form, dont see why they changed the forms the way they are doing it in some places.

Legume · September 12

Gulfcoastguy said:

Then they did the exact same thing as England had done to them to others in their new home.

Well, the puritans didn't, the early Mormon church tried and a lot of the current rhetoric around America was intended to be and now intends to be a white Christian nation seems like the same path. I guess this is why separation of church and state was so important to the founders.

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

Actually the Puritans did. They hanged quite a few people for consorting with the devil, witchcraft, and other things that basically meant that they didn't attend the Puritan church regularly. Not to mention the stocks etc. The nearest tolerant place was the Dutch settlement of New York.

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

https://classroom.synonym.com/did-the-puritans-support-religious-toleration-12086263.html

I forgot to mention the Quakers, the Catholics, and any dissension within their ranks.

Legume · September 12

Gulfcoastguy said:

Actually the Puritans did. They hanged quite a few people for consorting with the devil, witchcraft, and other things that basically meant that they didn't attend the Puritan church regularly. Not to mention the stocks etc. The nearest tolerant place was the Dutch settlement of New York.

Yeah, I'm aware, but it wasn't a country. It was a pissed off marginalized group that setup their own colony, etc., that never would've been successful separating from the king. I'm more interested in the current 3.0 version in an established US. I suspect you know this, but your knowledge of history is impressive!

Gulfcoastguy · September 12

The past predicts the future. Providing that it hasn't been rewritten 1984 style.
I won't be on air until later tonight. Got other things to do.

REB17 · September 12

What is a white Christian nationalist? I’ve been a member of a bible believing Christian church for years, and we have all races in attendance. We’re all equal at the foot of the cross. Jews, gentiles, every race.

Legume · September 13

REB17 said:

What is a white Christian nationalist? I’ve been a member of a bible believing Christian church for years, and we have all races in attendance. We’re all equal at the foot of the cross. Jews, gentiles, every race.

I would provide a link, but better you google it and go with a website you are comfortable with.

This is what google's AI spit out as first paragraph, note this is not separation of church and state, also not based on the Jesus I learned about in church, in school.

White Christian nationalism is a political and ideological framework that fuses a particular version of Christianity with a white-centric national identity. Its core belief is that the United States was founded as a Christian nation for white Christians and that its laws and institutions should be based on conservative, "Protestant ideals". This ideology is distinct from mere patriotism or being a religious Christian, as it is based on a tribal, exclusionary vision rather than an adherence to democratic ideals.

DoubleEgger · September 14

REB17 said:

What is a white Christian nationalist? I’ve been a member of a bible believing Christian church for years, and we have all races in attendance. We’re all equal at the foot of the cross. Jews, gentiles, every race.

If your church has all races as members, then it’s in the minority. That’s pretty rare.

Buckwoody Egger · September 14

it seems like this is chasing a two or three sentence synopsis that serves as a villain origin story— or maybe even explains a pattern sufficiently repeated across several points in history. even if that crystallizes, what does it get us?

i am not endorsing or criticizing the org at this link but it seemed like something throw in here.

https://buildersmovement.org/2025/09/10/dangers-of-identity-politics/

REB17 · September 14

DoubleEgger said:

REB17 said:

What is a white Christian nationalist? I’ve been a member of a bible believing Christian church for years, and we have all races in attendance. We’re all equal at the foot of the cross. Jews, gentiles, every race.

If your church has all races as members, then it’s in the minority. That’s pretty rare.

I would agree. We had around 10 people join just this morning and only 2-3 are white. But then again, the entire community is very diverse.

Legume · September 14

Every Catholic Church I ever attended was very diverse, including multiple in California, Texas and Colorado.

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