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Need help with Mortins Sugar Cure
okesmokie
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Has anyone tried Mottin Sugar Cure?
I purchased some mortin sugar cure [smoked added] and instruction is very vague. They give an email address if you have any questions and brag how they will get back with you. Its been a week and they have not returned my email. Anyway I would like to cure a pork butt and would like to know how much to use and how much long to cure it. someone thats in the know would inform me.
Thanks
okiesmokie[p]
I purchased some mortin sugar cure [smoked added] and instruction is very vague. They give an email address if you have any questions and brag how they will get back with you. Its been a week and they have not returned my email. Anyway I would like to cure a pork butt and would like to know how much to use and how much long to cure it. someone thats in the know would inform me.
Thanks
okiesmokie[p]
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okesmokie,[p]It's been a long time since I've used Morton's Sugar Cure & I have never used the smoked variety. Unless something has changed, "vague instructions" sums it up well. I recall the chart on the box broke it down into something like 2 pounds of cure to 100 pounds of meat, then they told you how to mix in the spices from the small pouch. For something like a butt, Morton's recommends two applications of cure during the cycle. Following curing the butt needs to be rinsed, soaked, rested and smoked.[p]Let me snoop around in my cooking binder and I can nail down the measurements for smaller quantities. If you have any more specific questions ask away and I'll try to get you squared away.[p]In the meantime.....Click the link and check out my Buckboard Bacon page. It is made with butts, loins or tenderloins. The brand of cure & technique I use is similar to Morton's, but the measuring and the instructions are much easier to follow.[p]~thirdeye~[p][p][p]
[ul][li]Buckboard[/ul]Happy Trails~thirdeye~Barbecue is not rocket surgery -
I think the Sugar Cure and Tender Quick use the same measurments[p]1/2 ounce per pound or 1 tablespoon...[p]Rub cure on meat and store in fridge at 36-40 deg for 8 hours[p]Rinse and do again....then cook.
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<p />okesmokie,[p]Here is a summary of the Morton's notes I found, they were compiled from two of us with only slight variations. This applies to a 7 to 8 pound de-boned pork butt with the heavy areas of fat trimmed.[p]Mix 1.25 teaspoons spice mix with one cup of Morton's Sugar Cure. Thoroughly rub the seasoning into the meat on all sides and into the flap where you removed the bone. Bag and refrigerate for 9 to 10 days. Rotate the bag every 2 days to distribute the liquid. (For a "harder" cure apply a sprinkle of cure after 5 days). Rinse then soak in cold water for 3 hours. Rest in refrigerator from 3 hours to overnight. Start smoking with low temps, increasing to 225° over 2 or 3 hours. Pull off at 140° to 150°.[p]I'm doing some cured loins later today. This go-round I tried curing them in a vacuum bag (about half-vacuum) pic is above. I usually use a big tub or zipper bags. The vacuum bags are convenient and the liquid is in good contact with the meat. I'll report later on the results as some folks claim that curing in a vacuum speeds up the process.[p]To give you a visual on the Hi Mountain cure, it comes with three small packages to a box, all pre-mixed for 8.3 pounds of meat. Making the box good for 25 pounds of meat. Their ratio is less than Morton's measuring out at 3/4 cup for the 8.3 pounds.[p]

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thirdeye,
Hey old man, I sampled the cured loin yesterday. It was a little on the salty side but very good. Nice flavor and texture, thanks for all your help. -RP
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AZRP,[p]You will get your preference dialed in in the next one or two. Good notes will help you tweak it. A longer rinse and rest are always better. Maybe knock a day off of your cure time.[p]Your questions about the refrigerator temperature still has me curious whether that is another variable in the saltiness when the ranges are closer to 40°. I have always done mine colder. I mentioned earlier that I have some loin pieces soaking today that were vacuum cured, but all other things remained the same. I'll post the results.[p]~thirdeye~[p]
Happy Trails~thirdeye~Barbecue is not rocket surgery -
We've done one butt and about 20 pounds of loin using Morton's Sugar Cure (the non-smoke variety). Everything has turned out pretty well. Here's the pics and details:
http://www.ramblekatz.com/Dave/davesgeek_BGE.html#bacon
In general, we used one tablespoon of cure plus one tablespoon of sugar per pound of meat. We cured the butt for 7 days, rinsed it, and let it sit in cold water for 30 minutes. We used the flavor packet as indicated, but it didn't seem to make much of a taste difference.
The butt was smoked over hickory at 225°F for an 2 hours, and then 300°F until the butt hit 145°F internal. I stuck in the freezer for about an hour, sliced it real thing, and then cooked it like you would regular bacon (we like the Alton Brown oven method).
Hope this helps,
Dave
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thirdeye,
I'm guessing that the loin I used was salt injected, I didn't see the post warning not to use those before I bought it. I'm not to sure the grocery stores here even sell any fresh non-injected loins. -RP
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thirdeye,I have your buckboard page saved not only in my favorites but also in my documents. Awesome sums it up. that stuff in those pictures look fantastic and I might say that I got the idea from you and am going to use your cooking instructions on my egg. But I chose the mortins because of the smoke flavor that I thought would go all the way through the butt. If this doesn’t work I will go to high mountain stuff. Cause ive got to have some of that stuff. Already bought my butt and would like to know if the curing time would be about the same as the high mountain.
Thanks
Okesmokie from Oklahoma[p]
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okesmokie,[p]About is the key word here. The 8 to 10 day cure for butts is what I have used with both the Morton's & Hi Mountain. You could always cut the butt in half after 8 days, process and smoke it, then compare it with the other half after a 10 day cure.[p]There are a couple of ways to get flavor inside big pieces of meat like hams or butts. Both are used in ADDITION to a dry cure. One method is called a "sweet pickle cure" and it involves making a brine, sometimes with tenderquick (or pink salts) added, and pumping it into the meat. This is used on a commercial level all the time with hams. The second way is much easier and I do it with loins often. It just involves injecting a 50:50 mixture of maple syrup into the loins a couple of hours before they go to the smoker. I suppose you could inject other flavors as well, I've never experimented with anything other than maple.[p]~thirdeye~
Happy Trails~thirdeye~Barbecue is not rocket surgery
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