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Questions about CGS configurations

smokingal
smokingal Posts: 1,025
edited September 2018 in EggHead Forum
My current two-level carbon steel cooking grid has become warped and needs to be replaced.  I have been checking out what's available on the CGS website.  I bought the spider, wok and related utensils back in 2012 and they remain brand new in their shipping box, so no need to purchase those items.  I have the original BGE cooking grid, but it's not in the best shape.

I'd like to have 3 sliding racks for cooking and am looking at getting the following:

Large Adjustable Rig R&B Combo
Large Adjustable Rig Extender w/ Crossbar
add'l 13 x 17 Inch Oval Stainless Grid
16 Inch Sliding D Grid

I see that the most popular grilling position is with the original grid placed atop the adjustable rig.  Should I also plan to replace the 18" cooking grid?  I'd rather get the 13" cast iron grid for close to the fire grilling purposes than spend the same amount replacing the original cooking grid.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions and input.
It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
Egging in the Atlanta GA region
Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
Arteflame grill grate

http://barbecueaddict.com

Comments

  • jtcBoynton
    jtcBoynton Posts: 2,814
    smokingal said:
    ...
    I'd rather get the 13" cast iron grid for close to the fire grilling purposes than spend the same amount replacing the original cooking grid.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions and input.
    Why?  You would get better results using a thinner wire more open grid for close to the fire grilling.
    Southeast Florida - LBGE
    In cooking, often we implement steps for which we have no explanations other than ‘that’s what everybody else does’ or ‘that’s what I have been told.’  Dare to think for yourself.
     
  • smokingal
    smokingal Posts: 1,025
    smokingal said:
    ...
    I'd rather get the 13" cast iron grid for close to the fire grilling purposes than spend the same amount replacing the original cooking grid.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions and input.
    Why?  You would get better results using a thinner wire more open grid for close to the fire grilling.
    They don't sell what you are describing.  The 13" cast iron grid sits inside of the Spider's base.  The only thing closer than that would be to place the meat directly on the coals.  Also, cast iron gets hotter than stainless steel, so it would create a better crust on the meat.
    It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
    Egging in the Atlanta GA region
    Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
    Arteflame grill grate

    http://barbecueaddict.com
  • Call The CGS and ask them your question. They are pretty good at answering questions an helping you get the right stuff. Also I've found the grill accessories area at Walmart to be a good place to pick up grill grates of various sizes.
    Marshall in Beautiful Fruit Cove, FL.
    MiniMax 04/17
    Unofficial BGE MiniMax Evangelist
    Facebook Big Green Egg MiniMax Owners Group


  • Cornholio
    Cornholio Posts: 1,048
    At first I just got the AR combo without the adjuster and extra grids.  Then I got the extender and extra grids a few weeks ago and haven’t used my original BGE grid since.  I also haven’t used my plate setter at all since getting the AR combo.

    I’ve been grilling with a grid around felt level for protein along with the extender and sliding D grid for veggies etc.  You could obviously go lower too.






  • caliking
    caliking Posts: 19,780
    I think the items you have in mind are what you’ll need. Looks like the setup I bought myself. 

    Do do you have a stone to set on the spider? That way you can have an indirect setup with 3 levels loaded. 

    Do give Tom at CGS a call. He is active on the forum and designed his products to work well with the egg, in all sorts of configurations. He’s not just out to make a buck, and would much rather have you return to purchase additional items than be stuck with extra stuff you don’t use. 

    #1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February  2013 • #3 Mini May 2013
    A happy BGE family in Houston, TX.
  • smokingal
    smokingal Posts: 1,025
    caliking said:
    I think the items you have in mind are what you’ll need. Looks like the setup I bought myself. 

    Do do you have a stone to set on the spider? That way you can have an indirect setup with 3 levels loaded. 

    Do give Tom at CGS a call. He is active on the forum and designed his products to work well with the egg, in all sorts of configurations. He’s not just out to make a buck, and would much rather have you return to purchase additional items than be stuck with extra stuff you don’t use. 
    Thanks for your response @caliking.  I'll get in contact with Tom.  The AR combo includes a stone that rests in the lowest layer of the rig.  It is used in place of the BGE convEGGctor, which allows for an indirect setup.
    It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
    Egging in the Atlanta GA region
    Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
    Arteflame grill grate

    http://barbecueaddict.com
  • smokingal
    smokingal Posts: 1,025
    Cornholio said:
    At first I just got the AR combo without the adjuster and extra grids.  Then I got the extender and extra grids a few weeks ago and haven’t used my original BGE grid since.  I also haven’t used my plate setter at all since getting the AR combo.

    I’ve been grilling with a grid around felt level for protein along with the extender and sliding D grid for veggies etc.  You could obviously go lower too.


    Thank you very much for the info @Cornholio.  This is what I needed to see for direct grilling.  Does the 3rd picture reflect what you do to implement a reverse sear?
    It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
    Egging in the Atlanta GA region
    Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
    Arteflame grill grate

    http://barbecueaddict.com
  • Cornholio
    Cornholio Posts: 1,048
    smokingal said:
    Cornholio said:
    At first I just got the AR combo without the adjuster and extra grids.  Then I got the extender and extra grids a few weeks ago and haven’t used my original BGE grid since.  I also haven’t used my plate setter at all since getting the AR combo.

    I’ve been grilling with a grid around felt level for protein along with the extender and sliding D grid for veggies etc.  You could obviously go lower too.


    Thank you very much for the info @Cornholio.  This is what I needed to see for direct grilling.  Does the 3rd picture reflect what you do to implement a reverse sear?
    Yes, that was a reverse with the AR stone below it but the drip tray is covering it.  I just remove the whole rig after pulling the steaks and take the stone out and put the AR back in ready for the sear.  Just make sure you have a place to set things down on while hot and some good gloves to handle it and it’s a breeze to work with.
  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,878
    I prefer the stone on the spider rather than the oval stone on the lowest level on the AR.  You can always extend the coverage of the round stone with foil and/or a drip pan.  I like having the lowest level for cooking to 1) either have 3 levels for cooking (with the extender) or to maximize clearance between the bottom and top levels (critical for multiple large butts, etc.)
    NOLA
  • smokingal
    smokingal Posts: 1,025
    @buzd504 Thank you very much for the round stone suggestion.  I think I know what to ask Tom now.
    It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
    Egging in the Atlanta GA region
    Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
    Arteflame grill grate

    http://barbecueaddict.com
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,608
    if you fill the lump up to the top of the ring and use the 18 inch grid on the ring its the same as grilling lower on the spider down deeper.  its also less problematic reaching down in there with a big hot fire. it is also so hot that close to the coals that i do not see an advantage using a cast iron grid. but do call tom with a list of questions about what you want to do cooking wise.
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • smokingal
    smokingal Posts: 1,025
    @fishlessman I get what you mean.  After checking out various configurations and the videos they have posted on the site, it looks like I can use the 13 x 17 Inch Oval Stainless Grid or a flipped over 16 Inch Sliding D Grid for direct grilling.  Save myself $50 that way.
    It's "Smokin Gal", not "Smoking Al".
    Egging in the Atlanta GA region
    Large BGE, CGS setup, Kick Ash Basket, Smokeware SS Cap,
    Arteflame grill grate

    http://barbecueaddict.com
  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,878
    If you want the benefits of searing with cast iron, better to use a skillet or pizza pan.  You get more contact between the meat and the iron surface.
    NOLA
  • jtcBoynton
    jtcBoynton Posts: 2,814
    smokingal said:
     Also, cast iron gets hotter than stainless steel, so it would create a better crust on the meat.
    Not really.  The portion in contact with the CI grid gets a great crust.  The portion in-between gets none -  just over cooked dried out meat without crust development. Yes grill marks look cool, but they leave a lot of flavor behind.  

    You can get a 13" ss grid from BGE.
    Southeast Florida - LBGE
    In cooking, often we implement steps for which we have no explanations other than ‘that’s what everybody else does’ or ‘that’s what I have been told.’  Dare to think for yourself.
     
  • buzd504 said:
    I prefer the stone on the spider rather than the oval stone on the lowest level on the AR.  You can always extend the coverage of the round stone with foil and/or a drip pan.  I like having the lowest level for cooking to 1) either have 3 levels for cooking (with the extender) or to maximize clearance between the bottom and top levels (critical for multiple large butts, etc.)
    Be careful down there. The last cook on my MM was done that way and I melted the aluminum foil. Granted, I was using a cheaper WalMart brand but still. It gets awful hot down by the coals. Hotter than your dome temp is reading. It was a mess to clean up but I won't do that again. I was just trying to protect the stone from drippings burning on it.
    Marshall in Beautiful Fruit Cove, FL.
    MiniMax 04/17
    Unofficial BGE MiniMax Evangelist
    Facebook Big Green Egg MiniMax Owners Group


  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,878
    buzd504 said:
    I prefer the stone on the spider rather than the oval stone on the lowest level on the AR.  You can always extend the coverage of the round stone with foil and/or a drip pan.  I like having the lowest level for cooking to 1) either have 3 levels for cooking (with the extender) or to maximize clearance between the bottom and top levels (critical for multiple large butts, etc.)
    Be careful down there. The last cook on my MM was done that way and I melted the aluminum foil. Granted, I was using a cheaper WalMart brand but still. It gets awful hot down by the coals. Hotter than your dome temp is reading. It was a mess to clean up but I won't do that again. I was just trying to protect the stone from drippings burning on it.

    Good to know, thanks.  I usually "drape" the foil under my drip pan and over the spacers, so it's not in contact with the stone (and I use HD foil), but good to know that can be an issue.
    NOLA
  • SaintJohnsEgger
    SaintJohnsEgger Posts: 1,826
    edited September 2018
    buzd504 said:
    buzd504 said:
    I prefer the stone on the spider rather than the oval stone on the lowest level on the AR.  You can always extend the coverage of the round stone with foil and/or a drip pan.  I like having the lowest level for cooking to 1) either have 3 levels for cooking (with the extender) or to maximize clearance between the bottom and top levels (critical for multiple large butts, etc.)
    Be careful down there. The last cook on my MM was done that way and I melted the aluminum foil. Granted, I was using a cheaper WalMart brand but still. It gets awful hot down by the coals. Hotter than your dome temp is reading. It was a mess to clean up but I won't do that again. I was just trying to protect the stone from drippings burning on it.

    Good to know, thanks.  I usually "drape" the foil under my drip pan and over the spacers, so it's not in contact with the stone (and I use HD foil), but good to know that can be an issue.
    Like I sad, it was cheap foil and I wrapped the stone. That may be what caused the problem. But I thought aluminum  melted at around 1100 degrees so I thought I was safe. The aluminum kind of melted away from its backing (I didn't know it had a backing) and it had to be peeled away form the stone. No real damage but just a mess to clean up.
    Marshall in Beautiful Fruit Cove, FL.
    MiniMax 04/17
    Unofficial BGE MiniMax Evangelist
    Facebook Big Green Egg MiniMax Owners Group