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Couple of Fish Sauce questions....

First: About 4 or 5 years ago this stuff got very hot to use in hamburgers. How much per pound? I never tried it.
Second: This bottle has been setting on my shelf for a lot of years (never opened till today). The date to best use is June 2013. Bet I bought it sometime in 2011.... Think it would still be good, sure as hell can't  taste it to tell for sure.

Salado TX & 30A  FL: Egg Family: 3 Large and a very well used Mini, added a Mini Max when they came out (I'm good for now). Just given a Mini to add to the herd. 

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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,714
    edited September 2016
    the bottle we're using must be at least 5 years old and it has only 50% sodium ... yours has 62% ?  I wouldn't worry.



    canuckland
  • Mickey
    Mickey Posts: 19,768
    the bottle we're using must be at least 5 years old and it has only 50% sodium ... yours has 62% ?



    Is that good or bad?
    Salado TX & 30A  FL: Egg Family: 3 Large and a very well used Mini, added a Mini Max when they came out (I'm good for now). Just given a Mini to add to the herd. 

  • Elijah
    Elijah Posts: 880
    I'd say that that stuff can't go bad. If you're worried get another if you have time. Just don't base whether it's good or bad off of the smell :P
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I bought some back then too. Don't remember how much per pound, but I do remember that it didn't seem to make any difference. Tasted like any other burger. I haven't used it since, but I just checked the pantry and I still have the bottle, opened and never refrigerated. With that much salt, it's probably still okay to eat. If pointless.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Mickey
    Mickey Posts: 19,768
    I bought some back then too. Don't remember how much per pound, but I do remember that it didn't seem to make any difference. Tasted like any other burger. I haven't used it since, but I just checked the pantry and I still have the bottle, opened and never refrigerated. With that much salt, it's probably still okay to eat. If pointless.
    Much the same story here. I do remember I ordered two bottles off Amazon and gave one of them away back when we were doing the Egg Christmas stuff. Just can't think who I gave it too. 
    Salado TX & 30A  FL: Egg Family: 3 Large and a very well used Mini, added a Mini Max when they came out (I'm good for now). Just given a Mini to add to the herd. 

  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,714
    edited September 2016
    62% is better than 50% as far as longevity goes, more salt!
    canuckland
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Couple tablespoons per pound should do it.

    If you see it, get the three crabs brand.  Well, it has three crabs on the label, I'm not sure what it's called.  I'm a connoisseur (somewhat) of fish sauce.
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  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    "Best used by date" started out as a way for the producers to get the grocers to do a clearance sale. The only foods that must be sold by a certain date are baby foods.

    W. that much sodium, and sealed, should be good for several generations.

    Fish sauce ranges from very mild to massively strong. 1st time I went to buy some at a Vietnamese shop, the lady told me that what I had was only for special use, and pointed out a liter bottle and said "that's for everyday." Don't know about the particular one you have, but what I have on hand is fairly mild. A couple of teaspoons in a pound of burger makes a tiny difference. Sort of like mashing a half anchovy into the mass. You can taste it but it just adds a little savory note.
  • Mickey
    Mickey Posts: 19,768
    Couple tablespoons per pound should do it.

    If you see it, get the three crabs brand.  Well, it has three crabs on the label, I'm not sure what it's called.  I'm a connoisseur (somewhat) of fish sauce.
    Damn, I was told this was the one to get. Will try that three crabs next (guessing I will run out of this in my late 90's). 
    Can you really tell a difference in the burgers with it?
    Salado TX & 30A  FL: Egg Family: 3 Large and a very well used Mini, added a Mini Max when they came out (I'm good for now). Just given a Mini to add to the herd. 

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    Couple tablespoons per pound should do it.

    If you see it, get the three crabs brand.  Well, it has three crabs on the label, I'm not sure what it's called.  I'm a connoisseur (somewhat) of fish sauce.
    That's the brand I have. Still don't see the point. Just a salty, foul tasting (alone) and tasteless (in a burger) bottle of drool. Some swear by it. For me, it was a waste of (not very much) money.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    It works really well in chili and other beef dishes. I like to "umami bomb" stew or short ribs with it, Worcestershire, soy sauce, and tomato paste. 
  • smbishop
    smbishop Posts: 3,061
    Mickey said:
    First: About 4 or 5 years ago this stuff got very hot to use in hamburgers. How much per pound? I never tried it.
    Second: This bottle has been setting on my shelf for a lot of years (never opened till today). The date to best use is June 2013. Bet I bought it sometime in 2011.... Think it would still be good, sure as hell can't  taste it to tell for sure.

    This is the brand I use, mostly for stir fry broccoli.  I mix in some oyster sauce some mirin and some onions.  Great taste!
    Southlake, TX and Cowhouse Creek - King, TX.  2 Large, 1 Small and a lot of Eggcessories.
  • Mick,

    Darian sent me a bottle of that (amongst a lot of other things) in a gift exchange). It is freaking awesome. Now I have to come back to Tejas. Probably a quarter tsp per burger. 

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON

     

  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    I add a few dashes of fish sauce to lots of things, adds a nice missing layer to sauces and marinades.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,714
    edited September 2016
    Take this with a grain, or whole bottle, of salt, haha ... I found this at random and guess what?  Your Red Boat ranked first, and 3-crab was way down in the list, what gives?
    https://ourdailybrine.com/fish-sauce-taste-test/

    Few years ago I bought a bottle of 3-crab based on old forum recommendation, for some hard to describe reason, we liked the old noname bottle better and kept it.
    canuckland
  • Take this with a grain, or whole bottle, of salt, haha ... I found this at random and guess what?  Your Red Boat ranked first, and 3-crab was way down in the list, what gives?
    https://ourdailybrine.com/fish-sauce-taste-test/

    Few years ago I bought a bottle of 3-crab based on old forum recommendation, for some hard to describe reason, we liked the old noname bottle better and kept it.

    Lemme know if you find that Red Boat. Gotta have it in TO.

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON

     

  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,714

    Lemme know if you find that Red Boat. Gotta have it in TO.
    will do.  
    canuckland
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,374
    I have a bottle of Red Boat for dipping sauces, and Tiparos for cooking.
    Two compounds increase umami, glutamates and nucleotides.  According to testing done by Cook's Illustrated, when both are present they amplify each other about 20 times (not sure how they measure that).
    Try this: mix 1/2 tsp fish sauce, AND 1/2 tsp dried mushroom powder (or just chopped mushroom) into your hamburger, chili, or stew.  In soups and stews, for me anyway, my mouth is still watering as I'm eating the last bites.  Seems to work well for me, and I use them in combination on many cooks.  

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,374
    Oh yeah, the Tiparos specifically says on the bottle, Do NOT refrigerate.  If you do, crystals of some sort begin forming in the bottle, and they don't go away even when warmed up.  That's when I tossed mine and bought fresh.  

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • jlsm
    jlsm Posts: 1,012
    Red Boat is relatively new, two or so years. Really good and really expensive. I make a lot of Vietnamese food and use s lot of it. 
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    Owner of a large and a beloved mini in Philadelphia
  • smbishop said:
    Mickey said:
    First: About 4 or 5 years ago this stuff got very hot to use in hamburgers. How much per pound? I never tried it.
    Second: This bottle has been setting on my shelf for a lot of years (never opened till today). The date to best use is June 2013. Bet I bought it sometime in 2011.... Think it would still be good, sure as hell can't  taste it to tell for sure.

    This is the brand I use, mostly for stir fry broccoli.  I mix in some oyster sauce some mirin and some onions.  Great taste!

    The little fish that make it sit and rot in a barrel with a weighted lid for two years. Yes they go in raw. I wouldn't worry about the best before date pal.

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON

     

  • caliking
    caliking Posts: 19,780
    edited September 2016
    smbishop said:
    Mickey said:
    First: About 4 or 5 years ago this stuff got very hot to use in hamburgers. How much per pound? I never tried it.
    Second: This bottle has been setting on my shelf for a lot of years (never opened till today). The date to best use is June 2013. Bet I bought it sometime in 2011.... Think it would still be good, sure as hell can't  taste it to tell for sure.

    This is the brand I use, mostly for stir fry broccoli.  I mix in some oyster sauce some mirin and some onions.  Great taste!

    The little fish that make it sit and rot in a barrel with a weighted lid for two years. Yes they go in raw. I wouldn't worry about the best before date pal.
    I was about to say exactly that. It's rotted to begin with  :) 

    a little goes goes a long way in things like stir fries or papaya salad. 

    #1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February  2013 • #3 Mini May 2013
    A happy BGE family in Houston, TX.
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,374
    edited September 2016
    For those of you who can't find it locally (I can't) its available on Amazon and Prime-eligible:  https://www.amazon.com/Sur-Table-Boat-40%C2%B0N-Sauce/dp/B00FQMW4PQ/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1474833283&sr=1-1&keywords=fish+sauce+red+boat  (lots of sizes available)
    I got a Prime membership mostly for CDs/concert Blurays (rarely watch the movies it offers) but I find myself getting oddball groceries more and more, too; utard grocers don't sell a lot of unusual ingredients.  Plus, its normally cheaper, doesn't require a car trip, and (for now) avoids sales taxes.  

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • sctdg
    sctdg Posts: 301
    Walked point with a dog for a year in Vietnam ,never had to look for dogs' alert when the gooks were eating Nuoc Mam  with their rice in the jungle,you could smell it a mile away .NASTY ! Don't know how you could tell if it was bad or good by smell,it always smelled BAD!!!
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,593
    use a tablespoon on your first pound batch, then two on the second batch then three on the third. =) this is trial and error til you find your limit, you want it right at the edge of YOUR limit,  i used it in the meat sauce of a lasagna this weekend =) three crabs for me as well, tried some expensive italian stuff and did not like the flavor at all
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • use a tablespoon on your first pound batch, then two on the second batch then three on the third. =) this is trial and error til you find your limit, you want it right at the edge of YOUR limit,  i used it in the meat sauce of a lasagna this weekend =) three crabs for me as well, tried some expensive italian stuff and did not like the flavor at all

    The Italian stuff was probably Garum. It's made from macerated fish guts or at least it used to be.

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON

     

  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,374
    "Macerated Fish Guts" WBAGNFARB!   B)

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,714
    Lemme know if you find that Red Boat. Gotta have it in TO.
    Found it!  Canuck importer in BC gave me name of two places in TO, I made a special trip to Danforth during evening rush hours and cleaned out their limited supply. Saving a bottle for you, are you going to TO eggfest?


    canuckland