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Wood on top for big meat smokes
Powak
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I'm about doing a butt or brisket with just the wood chunks on top rather than layered throughout. Has anyone tried this? I've read smoke is mostly absorbed the first few hours.
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I never bother to layer mine. Would it be better if I did? Beats me.
Meat will take on smoke flavor as long as there is smoke, not just for a while.I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!
MichaelCentral Connecticut -
A few things. First, it's the smoke RING that only happens in the first part of the cook, NOT the smoke FLAVOR. Smoke flavor can keep building up throughout the cook.
Second, yes, I've done many cooks with 4 or 5 wood chunks on top of the fire and not mixed in, and I thought it worked fine. Since then, though, I've been convinced that mixing a few chunks in, especially in the central part of the lump will probably keep the smoke going longer.
So, it depends on how smoky you want your food. Some things I want only a little smoke, but some things I want as smoky as I can get them! I like both pork butt and brisket really smoky, so for me, it'll be a few chunks mixed in with the lump in the central part of the lump, not toward the edges, plus some more on top, radially from the center. -
Smoke is never actually absorbed. But it can land on the meat at any time during the cook and add smoke flavor at any time
cook ribs with no smoke in a microwave. Then smoke for an hour. They will still taste like smoke
the 'no smoke is absorbed after an hour' thing is a bro-science misundestanding of smoke *ring* formation.[social media disclaimer: irony and sarcasm may be used in some or all of user's posts; emoticon usage is intended to indicate moderately jocular social interaction; the comments toward users, their usernames, and the real people (living or dead) that they refer to are not intended to be adversarial in nature; those replying to this user are entering into a tacit agreement that they are real-life or social-media acquaintances and/or have agreed to or tacitly agreed to perpetrate occasional good-natured ribbing between and among themselves and others] -
Is bro-science a form of peer review?Darby_Crenshaw said:Smoke is never actually absorbed. But it can land on the meat at any time during the cook and add smoke flavor at any time
cook ribs with no smoke in a microwave. Then smoke for an hour. They will still taste like smoke
the 'no smoke is absorbed after an hour' thing is a bro-science misundestanding of smoke *ring* formation.They/Them
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Bro science is that official sounding stuff a dude tells you at a cookout
like, "don't poke the meat or all the juices will run out".
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Love me some bro science-circulates around here at quite a frequent basis.
Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint. -
And fwiw, because i have been seeing "layered" referred to a few times lately... Let's nip this in the bud
it isn't a painstaking process, it isn't layering. It is simply "if you want smoke, put the wood where the fire is coupled with "if you want a lot of (or more continuous) smoke, put the wood also where the fire will be later in the cook"
which generally mean in the center, and within the vertical column of charcoal below it
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@Darby_Crenshaw What would folks have to fight about without the bro-science? People ask me how I cook x and such - they think I'm lying when the answer is just, "Build a fire, let the smoke clear, cook it until it's done." For most things it is almost that simple.Coleman, Texas
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YukonRon -
AND , since we all know the egg is hotter in the back , I leave a trail of wood from center to back that never survives the cook:-)Darby_Crenshaw said:And fwiw, because i have been seeing "layered" referred to a few times lately... Let's nip this in the bud
it isn't a painstaking process, it isn't layering. It is simply "if you want smoke, put the wood where the fire is coupled with "if you want a lot of (or more continuous) smoke, put the wood also where the fire will be later in the cook"
which generally mean in the center, and within the vertical column of charcoal below itMore meat please !! :-) -
Yeah. I almost wrote center/back, but it is such a condusing topic for many to begin with.

seriously, about ten years ago there was regulat oft-repeated advice to lay wood chips on top in a pattern which spiraled outward.
Utter befuddlement trying to decipher the logic.
It was, ostensibly, that the fire would spread outward and engage the wood in some continuous way.
Except the fire doesn't burn outward so much as downward. Or in a spiral. Or in other magical ways
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@Darby_Crenshaw - interesting comments re: smoke. I have read the same thing before. So essentially we are only imparting flavor to the surface when smoking? And any bite of meat which does not include a surface portion will not have a smoke flavor?
DonNew Orleans LA -
I've only done one butt on the egg and it was partially frozen when it went on.Dondgc said:@Darby_Crenshaw - interesting comments re: smoke. I have read the same thing before. So essentially we are only imparting flavor to the surface when smoking? And any bite of meat which does not include a surface portion will not have a smoke flavor?
Don
I layered the wood and coal down to the grate in the center of the egg. there was plenty of smoke throughout the cook but the meat didn't not have a smokey flavor past a half inch or so of the exterior. I've done briskets the same way minus being partially frozen and they were smokey throughout. This is why I wonder if smokiness has more to do with the meat and its temperature than the method of layering smoke wood or putting it on top.
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A brisket is not as thick as a butt, higher surface area to meat ratio, more smoked surface.Powak said:
I've only done one butt on the egg and it was partially frozen when it went on.Dondgc said:@Darby_Crenshaw - interesting comments re: smoke. I have read the same thing before. So essentially we are only imparting flavor to the surface when smoking? And any bite of meat which does not include a surface portion will not have a smoke flavor?
Don
I layered the wood and coal down to the grate in the center of the egg. there was plenty of smoke throughout the cook but the meat didn't not have a smokey flavor past a half inch or so of the exterior. I've done briskets the same way minus being partially frozen and they were smokey throughout. This is why I wonder if smokiness has more to do with the meat and its temperature than the method of layering smoke wood or putting it on top.They/Them
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If you want some good info on smoke and what a smoke ring really is check out amazingribs.com. Lots of great info there on all things BBQ.LBGE - I like the hot stuff. The big dry San Joaquin Valley, Clovis, CA
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Smoke flavor doesn't penetrate. It just doesn't. Not significantly anyway. Not actively. Only if there is a way in. Like an actual physical opening larger than the smoke particle
When we mix pork butt together when shredding, we comingle the exterior with the interior. Transferring some flavor (including rub), but even then, not a lot
smoke is pervasive and invasive. Sure. It gets into every nook and cranny and can really make it seem like it is everywhere. But the stuff is physical. It's soot. There are chemicals that wick into the meat, like those that create the smoke ring, but those aren't 'smokey flavor'.
At some level sure it can be said that smoke 'penetrates'. But don't for a second believe it Penetrates(!) with a capital P. Meat is muscle. There are no 'pores' in meat that open and allow smoke deep inside. It's got waterproof membranes, fascia, fat, silverskin....
But that doesn't mean it doesn't get into damn near every crevice and taste great.
If smoke could penetrate, it would penetrate you. It doesn't. You can wash it off
so add it whenever you want
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I toss chunks in as i see fit right on top of the coals. Seems to work well and is a lot less work.
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