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Tips for more smoke?

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  • SmokeyPitt
    SmokeyPitt Posts: 10,490
    I do what both Darby and Theo suggests.  I agree the fire burns mostly down, but as it burns the lump sinks so any wood around it will fall into the fire.  It that picture as the lump in the column burns, the lump and anything around it moves falls to the open space like a drain.   If you put chunks way out to the sides they probably will not burn, except as mentioned the egg tends to be hotter in the back.  I find that if I put a chunk straight in the back up against the wall of the fire box it is always burned up after a long cook.  


    Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. 

  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,890
    busmania said:
    my fire always burns straight down and to the back. If all the wood is on top of unlit lump, how is it burning to produce smoke?
    That's where ou should put the wood. In the middle, up and down. 

    Fire doesnt crawl around the top of the lump or the sides. 

    People used to advocate putting wood on top in top in a spiral. Think about that for a second. Let me know when you are done laughing

    imagine the area occupied by the fire grate extended up thru the lump. In that space is where moat of my chunks or chips are
    Fire will crawl around the top and sides...it just depends on where/how you start your coals...


    Have:
     XLBGE / Stumps Baby XL / Couple of Stokers (Gen 1 and Gen 3) / Blackstone 36 / Maxey 3x5 water pan hog cooker
    Had:
    LBGE / Lang 60D / Cookshack SM150 / Stumps Stretch / Stumps Baby

    Fat Willies BBQ
    Ola, Ga

  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
    edited May 2016
    I don't think it's desensitation as much as it is a small fire and limited airflow with chunks, praying to the fire gods a couple will catch.  I too, have struggled with this on the BGE.  

    Switching to chips sprinkled throughout the lump did not help.  Smoke still cleared after 2 hrs, all that's burning I could see, is the lump.  This is not the traditional clear blue smoke you see off of other smokers with a larger fire and more airflow.  You can go to a local comp comparing pits, and see for yourself.  

    Was chatting with a fellow egghead while cold smokin cheese last night about lack of BGE smoke and how sweet and wonderful the smoke smells off a cold smoke generator compared to egg smoke.  We can smell it in my front yard.  I wouldn't even know an egg is lit in the front.

    We were kickin around setups with the Spider/AR to incorporate it under the drip pan to increase smoke in the BGE using amazn dust.  It's pretty tight in the large, with the firebox tapering, but possible with the spider/ar combo.  You wouldn't need chips or chunks in the lump at all.  We will be testing soon.


    Brandon
    Quad Cities
    "If yer gonna denigrate, familiarity with the subject is helpful."

  • SPRIGS
    SPRIGS Posts: 482
    Agree with alot of the above.  I had the same problem when I first got my Egg. I now layer chunks in with the charcoal pretty much right around the middle and then place a chunk or two right on top of the spot I light (right in the middle), push those chunks down into the fire and then put my meat on.  

    Next time you do a low and slow, put some cotton balls in your nostrils when you are outside lighting and checking on the egg.  Change your clothes and take a shower before eating the food.  I bet you will taste the smoke.  
    XL BGE
  • Griffin
    Griffin Posts: 8,200
    This might seem crazy, odd and/or stupid, but when you are done cooking, take a hot shower, wash all that smoke off of yourself, the steam will clean out your sinuses, put on clean clothes and you will be able to taste the smoke on your food a whole lot more.

    Rowlett, Texas

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  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,890
    edited May 2016
    In the end its all personal preference to the person eating the food.

    Stumps GF smokers do not have a large fire and air flow is controlled by a 3/4 inch ball valve on the firebox. I can still get the thin blue smoke..

    Food that has been put on too early before the fire starts burning clean has more of a bitter  taste to me...again my preference

    I personally have cooked with teams that have won GC's or RGC's without using 1 piece of raw wood to cook with...strictly coal...which is charred wood...

    Rubs and glazes that are introduced before and during the 1st phase of the cook can determine the "smokyness" of the food.

    Now being new to the egg, I will find out what works best for me for my preferences...

    Cooking is like an algebra problem...there is more than one way to get the correct answer..


    Have:
     XLBGE / Stumps Baby XL / Couple of Stokers (Gen 1 and Gen 3) / Blackstone 36 / Maxey 3x5 water pan hog cooker
    Had:
    LBGE / Lang 60D / Cookshack SM150 / Stumps Stretch / Stumps Baby

    Fat Willies BBQ
    Ola, Ga

  • Ladeback69
    Ladeback69 Posts: 4,484
    Focker said:
    I don't think it's desensitation as much as it is a small fire and limited airflow with chunks, praying to the fire gods a couple will catch.  I too, have struggled with this on the BGE.  

    Switching to chips sprinkled throughout the lump did not help.  Smoke still cleared after 2 hrs, all that's burning I could see, is the lump.  This is not the traditional clear blue smoke you see off of other smokers with a larger fire and more airflow.  You can go to a local comp comparing pits, and see for yourself.  

    Was chatting with a fellow egghead while cold smokin cheese last night about lack of BGE smoke and how sweet and wonderful the smoke smells off a cold smoke generator compared to egg smoke.  We can smell it in my front yard.  I wouldn't even know an egg is lit in the front.

    We were kickin around setups with the Spider/AR to incorporate it under the drip pan to increase smoke in the BGE using amazn dust.  It's pretty tight in the large, with the firebox tapering, but possible with the spider/ar combo.  You wouldn't need chips or chunks in the lump at all.  We will be testing soon.


    That's pretty interesting, because when I am smoking something on my Egg in my back yard the neighbors all seem to know and come to see what I am cooking.  I like the smoke flavor I get on my food and feel what I get is enough.  I have had BBQ that was to smokey and didn't care for it to much.


    XL, WSM, Coleman Road Trip Gas Grill

    Kansas City, Mo.
  • thetrim
    thetrim Posts: 11,387
    I'm going to go watch Backdraft again after all this fire discussion
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    XL 6/06, Mini 6/12, L 10/12, Mini #2 12/14 MiniMax 3/16 Large #2 11/20 Legacy from my FIL - RIP PitBoss Navigator 850G 11/25
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    EIB 6 Oct 95
  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
    Focker said:
    I don't think it's desensitation as much as it is a small fire and limited airflow with chunks, praying to the fire gods a couple will catch.  I too, have struggled with this on the BGE.  

    Switching to chips sprinkled throughout the lump did not help.  Smoke still cleared after 2 hrs, all that's burning I could see, is the lump.  This is not the traditional clear blue smoke you see off of other smokers with a larger fire and more airflow.  You can go to a local comp comparing pits, and see for yourself.  

    Was chatting with a fellow egghead while cold smokin cheese last night about lack of BGE smoke and how sweet and wonderful the smoke smells off a cold smoke generator compared to egg smoke.  We can smell it in my front yard.  I wouldn't even know an egg is lit in the front.

    We were kickin around setups with the Spider/AR to incorporate it under the drip pan to increase smoke in the BGE using amazn dust.  It's pretty tight in the large, with the firebox tapering, but possible with the spider/ar combo.  You wouldn't need chips or chunks in the lump at all.  We will be testing soon.


    That's pretty interesting, because when I am smoking something on my Egg in my back yard the neighbors all seem to know and come to see what I am cooking.  I like the smoke flavor I get on my food and feel what I get is enough.  I have had BBQ that was to smokey and didn't care for it to much.


    3 hrs in to any egg cook, I cannot.

    I can easily pick up the WSM "Q" smell throughout.

    Cousins mentioned it first thing the other night, while rolling up on their bike.  

    As mentioned, all personal preference.
    Brandon
    Quad Cities
    "If yer gonna denigrate, familiarity with the subject is helpful."

  • smokeyw
    smokeyw Posts: 367
    I witnessed a demonstration on proper fire and smoke control by a well known pitmaster (everyone would know him if I said his name) using an offset stick burner. No charcoal, nothing but hickory wood. Once he got the fire where he wanted it, he maintained it for an entire day. You hardly ever saw any smoke whatsoever and the smoke flavor in his food was very subtle. This guy has won 4 world championship BBQ cook-offs.
  • Darby_Crenshaw
    Darby_Crenshaw Posts: 2,657
    billt01 said:
    busmania said:
    my fire always burns straight down and to the back. If all the wood is on top of unlit lump, how is it burning to produce smoke?
    That's where ou should put the wood. In the middle, up and down. 

    Fire doesnt crawl around the top of the lump or the sides. 

    People used to advocate putting wood on top in top in a spiral. Think about that for a second. Let me know when you are done laughing

    imagine the area occupied by the fire grate extended up thru the lump. In that space is where moat of my chunks or chips are
    Fire will crawl around the top and sides...it just depends on where/how you start your coals...


    that's constrained.  of course fire will crawl around the fuel when trapped in a maze.

    lighting on top of a pile of lump in the BGE almost always means (as in, i have never seen a case) that the fire will dive down into the pile and seek the incoming air.  it doesn't wander around the top



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  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,890
    Just going to have to do some trials to figure out if I can get the egg to burn in a circle around the fire grate using my custom built fire chimney...if I can get that to work, I should be able to alternate from coal to wood and get an extended (almost controlled) burn and introduce wood after an hour or two into the cook..
    Have:
     XLBGE / Stumps Baby XL / Couple of Stokers (Gen 1 and Gen 3) / Blackstone 36 / Maxey 3x5 water pan hog cooker
    Had:
    LBGE / Lang 60D / Cookshack SM150 / Stumps Stretch / Stumps Baby

    Fat Willies BBQ
    Ola, Ga

  • Darby_Crenshaw
    Darby_Crenshaw Posts: 2,657
    ^that will work.

    i was talking ablut a normal set up of piled lump and wood chips.  long ago people used to recommend laying the wood chunks in a spiral around the top of the lump.  as if the fire would faithfully follow it or something.

    but yeah, any restricted path should work

    one question... why delay smoke for an hour?
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  • bhedges1987
    bhedges1987 Posts: 3,201
    I use 3 - 4 chunks going downward, and I'll put a handful of chips halfway down in a circle, and another handful on top.  I don't have any problem with smoke flavor.

    Kansas City, Missouri
    Large Egg
    Mini Egg

    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" - Gandalf


  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,890
    ^that will work.

    i was talking ablut a normal set up of piled lump and wood chips.  long ago people used to recommend laying the wood chunks in a spiral around the top of the lump.  as if the fire would faithfully follow it or something.

    but yeah, any restricted path should work

    one question... why delay smoke for an hour?
    @Darby_Crenshaw...just saw this....I do the same thing in my Gravity fed Stumps....I guess its personal preference on how the product turns out....I will "layer" lump and wood alternating for the first several hours until the pork butts or shoulders get to 160, after that I will wrap and just do charcoal as a heat source...I've done it both ways (all coal or all wood) but am partial to this method...
    Have:
     XLBGE / Stumps Baby XL / Couple of Stokers (Gen 1 and Gen 3) / Blackstone 36 / Maxey 3x5 water pan hog cooker
    Had:
    LBGE / Lang 60D / Cookshack SM150 / Stumps Stretch / Stumps Baby

    Fat Willies BBQ
    Ola, Ga