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Flame Boss 200 held steady + then spiked
It was holding pretty steady at 225 degrees for almost 2 hours - and then spiked...-started small - one coal lit - raised temp slowly
-bottom vent sealed
-top is virtually closed (tiny crack - I shut it down much smaller than FB suggested)
Anybody experience this?
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Not sure, but it wasn't the flameboss that did it.......fan wasn't running.
Did you have a water pan in? Where. Was the probe? Did that pit temp jive with the dome temp? -
no water in the panstlcharcoal said:Not sure, but it wasn't the flameboss that did it.......fan wasn't running.
Did you have a water pan in? Where. Was the probe? Did that pit temp jive with the dome temp?
grill probe was on the grill (lower)
temp reads about 10 degrees cooler on the BGE thermometer -
Did you open the lid at ~1:45pm? If you are using the daisy wheel it may have swung open wider.
As pointed out above, the fan wasn't blowing as the pit temp increased, so I'm guessing there was air getting in somewhere, and thus fed the fire.
#1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February 2013 • #3 Mini May 2013A happy BGE family in Houston, TX. -
You have air leakage somewhere.
Thanks for posting your graph 'cuz that makes it much easier to offer some advice. Notice that your fan never really ran. Once the temp reached target at about 12:40, then it burped on a little here or there. Shut down your top even more. I have to completely close the Smokeware cap on one of my eggs to hold the temp at 225*.
The Flameboss and Guru controllers can only turn the fan on or off. They turn the fan on when the temp is below target, and turn it off when at or above target. Once the temp goes above target, the only thing that will bring it down is to close off the natural airflow ... close the top vent even to the extent that it's completely closed.
If that still doesn't work, we can investigate closing off the bottom vent some by adding a little tape to throttle natural airflow at that end of the egg. Shouldn't need to though.
Couple of questions: 1) Is your egg exposed to the wind? 2) Is the wind strong today?
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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Couple more questions ... did you have water in the pan at the start? What size egg do you have? Did you have both the Flameboss probe and the BGE thermometer shielded from the lump by a plate setter leg or some other means?
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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Really helpful thanks. I moved my FB grill probe up to the BGE thermometer (in case I was getting a bad reading coming up from the side of the platesetter.Jeepster47 said:Couple more questions ... did you have water in the pan at the start? What size egg do you have? Did you have both the Flameboss probe and the BGE thermometer shielded from the lump by a plate setter leg or some other means?
Never put water in the drip pan (always did w my Weber, but was thinking that it was unnecessary w BGE.
I have a XL -
TheRainMan said:
Really helpful thanks. I moved my FB grill probe up to the BGE thermometer (in case I was getting a bad reading coming up from the side of the platesetter.Jeepster47 said:Couple more questions ... did you have water in the pan at the start? What size egg do you have? Did you have both the Flameboss probe and the BGE thermometer shielded from the lump by a plate setter leg or some other means?
Never put water in the drip pan (always did w my Weber, but was thinking that it was unnecessary w BGE.
I have a XL
Not only unnecessary, it will really screw up a cook. Does this flame boss thing have a blower? Does it have a damper on the barrel of the blower?Steve
Caledon, ON
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If you don't protect the BGE thermometer and the controller probe from direct radiation from the lump, then you can have problems midway through a cook. On a low-n-slow, the fire doesn't always stay in the middle of the lump pit. Sometimes, just enough to screw with you, it'll move forward so the dome thermometer "sees" the fire and, even though the average internal temp is the same, the thermometer starts registering a higher temp.TheRainMan said:
... I moved my FB grill probe up to the BGE thermometer (in case I was getting a bad reading coming up from the side of the platesetter.
Never put water in the drip pan (always did w my Weber, but was thinking that it was unnecessary w BGE.
I have a XL
You had everything balanced for a "manual" cook from about 12:40 until 2:10, then something changed to increase the temp. Figure out what changed at 2:10 and you'll have it solved.
Little Steven said it best ... water in the drip pan will screw up a cook. You don't need the moisture in a ceramic egg. Plus, as soon as the water evaporates, the temps will go up.
XL's have too much mass for the step function in temp that occurred at 2:10 ... something changed to increase the airflow.
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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I smothered the oxygen with the BGE green cap and brought the temp down
I replaced the daisy wheel - open the tiniest crack - the temp started to raise again.
So, I shut the daisy wheel completely off - and it seems to be holding the temperature...
...so I guess I learned something. Lo-n'-slow w my rig needs Zero opening up top...
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If it has a blower and damper that looks just like what happens if the damper is open too much
Steve
Caledon, ON
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Looking good. What are you cooking?
Do you have a gasket on your daisy wheel? If not, that might be contributing to the air leakage.
With the fan running 10% of the time, you still don't have a big margin for error. I like to set the venting so that the fan runs 20 to 30% of the time ... that gives a little bigger safety factor ... that way you're making the Flameboss earn its keep.
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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@Jeepster47 - I have a gasket on the top of the egg where the daisy wheel connects - but not in the daisy wheel itself. Perhaps I should buy one of those stainless Smokeware cap and see if that helps...Jeepster47 said:Looking good. What are you cooking?
Do you have a gasket on your daisy wheel? If not, that might be contributing to the air leakage.
With the fan running 10% of the time, you still don't have a big margin for error. I like to set the venting so that the fan runs 20 to 30% of the time ... that gives a little bigger safety factor ... that way you're making the Flameboss earn its keep. -
Just as long as you have a gasket between the daisy wheel and the egg that fits tight. Doesn't matter if it's stuck to the wheel or the egg.
I'm certainly a proponent of the Smokeware cap, but wouldn't suggest that it's either tighter than nor looser than a daisy wheel. Both of them have manufacturing tolerances that result in some leakage.
Damn, you had a great run (48 minutes at +/-1 degree from target) and then you had to peek didn't you? That's the trouble with the graphing stuff, folks can see if you're a peeker or not.
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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@Jeepster47 I'm definitely a peeker!
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I just picked up a flame boss 200 myself and I had the same problem. I let it warm up to 50 degrees shy of my target temp (250). And my flame boss pretty much followed the same pattern as yours. I ended up pulling the fan out and controlling the vents myself.
http://myflameboss.com/cooks/11021
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@krames ... notice how your temp was 30 plus degrees above target and your fan wasn't running. That's a sure sign that you don't have the top vent closed enough. The top vents need to be closed much more than you're accustom to with manual control.
TheRainMan is now cooking right along ... ask him what he ended up doing to achieve the correct airflow.
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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@Jeepster47 is the flame boss whisperer

fwiw I did a cook with the daisy wheel totally closed. There was enough exhaust leak that the fan ran on average 50-75% and kept the temp on target, with outside temps around 20 degrees.Chicago, IL - Large and Small BGE - Weber Gasser and Kettle -
According to the man from Flameboss ,open top vent the thickness of a dime.I have been using an Auber control for a couple of years,anytime I had temp control problems it was my fault because top vent was not closed enough.Dime thickness is about 1/16 inch . I use Smokeware cap on my Egg.I have Generation 1 and 2 Smokewares and both need to be closed down to 1/16.I also use aluminum tape around blower motor to seal any air from entering .Auber blower motor is same as Flameboss but Auber blower has an automatic damper that swings shut when motor is off .Maybe you are getting air from wind,heard that could be a Flameboss problem ,people have fabricated motor covers to stop wind from affecting things . When mounting motor to Egg see if you can install motor so that opening faces down ,that is how Auber wants their fan installed,might stop wind from affecting things.I am one of those people that use a pan for many of my cooks,beer ,apple juice etc. No problem with spikes on low and slows.Hope this helps .
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I have a Flame Boss coming soon. Good info!Living the good life smoking and joking
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@Jeepster47 Thanks for the tip! I am pretty sure I had my top vent only opened a crack, but I will make sure next time.
I am also lacking a gasket on the top of the egg and I think the gasket on the lid is going. It might be time for a new one. -
TheRainMan had to use his ceramic cap during the whole cook to keep temps under control. Time to investigate every possible air leak...Jeepster47 said:@krames ... notice how your temp was 30 plus degrees above target and your fan wasn't running. That's a sure sign that you don't have the top vent closed enough. The top vents need to be closed much more than you're accustom to with manual control.
TheRainMan is now cooking right along ... ask him what he ended up doing to achieve the correct airflow. -
Long, long, long low n' slow - big stall included. Had to finish in the oven when the fire gave up the ghost.
Now to tighten up this XL BGE...
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Looks like you had it under control for seven hours from about 7:00pm until 2:00am ... very good. The Flameboss started blowing it's lungs out around 3:00am. Is that when you noticed that you were running out of lump?
It'll be interesting to see how the dollar bill test comes out. Another way is to fire up the egg, throw some smoke wood right in the center of the burn, close the lid and fire up the blower ... smoke will leak from every crack including the bottom vent.
I think you might hold the record - at least be in the running - for the longest stall on a pork butt.
Washington, IL > Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max
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